Carrick lack of performa (started page 8)

[Oncy]

Sekedar ingin meramaikan debate aja di forum, maklum sdh lama jg ga bikin thread debate...

Menarik nih, lg hot2nya di bahas di forum/site luar... Oleh fans Man.United sendiri di cap "biasa saja" bahkan banyak juga yg menganggap "flop" meski dengan hadirnya Carrick United telah memenangi 3 EPL, 1 UCL dan 2 Carling dll... Ditambah sekarang banyak yg memperdebatkan apakah Carrick pantas untuk tampil di PD 2010 Afsel nanti bergabung dengan squad Capello... Knapa dianggap biasa saja? Karna sejujurnya posisinya Carrick itu kurang jelas, asli Center Midfield namun tidak jelas lebih condong sbg defensive or offensive? Nah dalam kedua hal tadi Carrick dianggap biasa saja karna tackle kurang, agresive biasa saja, passing pun jg dianggap biasa saja, lalu speed n visi permianan jg biasa, shooting dan headingnya pun terbilang standard, nah kelebihannya apa? Kl dari berbagai pendapat kelebihannya hanya dia bisa mudah nyetel di lini tengah meski konstribusi dan pengaruhnya nya ga terlalu dominan...

Gw tidak mau menarik kesimpulan terlebih dahulu, namun gw ingin mengetahui dan share opini dan pendapat teman2 mengenai hal ini...

Ini gw masukin artikel mengenai Carrick dr football pundit beserta comment akan artikel tersebut...

Carrick key for club and country

Michael Carrick has come in for some heavy criticism of late but TEAMtalk's Ian Watson believes he remains a key man for club and country.

Everyone loves a scapegoat, and with Manchester United's season having come pretty spectacularly off the rails over the past fortnight, few at Old Trafford are escaping the backlash.

Dimitar Berbatov and Sir Alex Ferguson are copping most of the blame, but Michael Carrick is coming in for some extremely heavy stick, pretty unreasonably it seems.

Granted Carrick, like many of his team-mates, has not enjoyed his most productive season but the midfielder still has a key role to play for club and country, one with different responsibilities than those he was given during his first three years at Old Trafford in which he won a title-winners medal in each.

Carrick has been employed in a slightly more defensive role for United this campaign, even at times being asked to drop back in at centre-half. As a 'water-carrier', Carrick's discipline has allowed Darren Fletcher to continue carving out a reputation as a box-to-box player, while veterans Paul Scholes and Ryan Giggs have been allowed to concentrate more on supplying the front men.

Because he has become less of an attacking influence, many United fans have been quick to identify Carrick as one of the reasons their season has stalled, with some even wanting him sold.

Those fans might then be surprised at just how important Carrick could be to England's World Cup campaign this summer.

Fabio Capello has used Gareth Barry as the more defensively-minded midfielder during their successful-but-untesting qualification campaign, but in South Africa, especially at the later stages of the tournament, Barry is likely to need a hand. Something he gets at club level from Nigel De Jong, Vincent Kompany or Patrick Vieira.

The Manchester City man has been in the side largely because of his ability to influence the play at both ends of the field but against the best teams in the world, Barry could find himself exposed defensively and out-numbered. The inclusion of Carrick - with his tactical nous and passing radar - gives England an insurance policy in a system that relies on attacking full-backs and the ability of Frank Lampard and Steven Gerrard to get forward in support of Wayne Rooney and Emile Heskey.

Carrick might not be seen as the glamorous option ahead of a speed merchant such as Aaron Lennon, and in the group stages, the midfielder's industry may well give way to a more obvious attacking threat. But as the tournament goes on or perhaps in the later stages of games during which England find themselves under the cosh, Carrick may play an increasingly important role.

For precedents, one only has to look at the 2002 and 2006 tournaments, during which Nicky Butt and Owen Hargreaves respectively were England's star men ahead of their more attacking and attention-grabbing peers.

Before their performances proved the doubters wrong, Butt and Hargreaves also had their England places questioned, with Hargreaves actually being booed by those who failed to recognise his contribution. Sounds quite similar to Carrick's current circumstances, don't you think?

Without doubt, had Hargreaves managed to overcome his injury and psychological issues, he would be the anchor man for United and England.

But with his return seemingly no nearer than at any point over recent months and United having more pressing demands on their limited transfer budget, Carrick remains the best alternate option for both Ferguson and Capello.

Comment :

diarmuid_ger (Manchester United): this article says carrick will be vital against the better opposition...the player is completely out of his depth against the top sides..hence why united fans want rid. He is a decent player against the lesser lights of the premier league, but he has been a nothing player in big european games since he came to the club. His tactical nous and passing range??? this myth that carrick is such a wonderful passer annoys me. please look at the same games as the rest of us because he needs so much time to play these "quarterback" passes people rave about, that it makes him so easy to put under pressure which inevitibly leads to him losing possession. Lets use the munich game as an example...he was brushed off like an old woman for the first goal and his sloppy pass led to the corner for the second. The liverpool game he was also the guilty party when he gave away cheap possession which led to Torres opener. The article says he suffered due to having to play centre back and it allowed fletcher to build his rep. Forgive me if im wrong, but was fletcher not beside him in defence, either at right back or centre half? A terrible article all round really

dustybinney (Manchester United): Carrick is great when United are on top and goes missing when United aren`t. He cannot handle being harressed by players. That being said, you can see what happened to liverpool when you take his style of player out of their team in alonso. So maybe he is one of those you don`t miss until they aren`t there.....but a def midfielder (hargreave, mascherano etc) he is not and we have asked him to be one. The fact we have been playing 5 in midfield this season tells you we have no faith in our midfield players to dominate games...too many functional players and not enough specialist/dominante players there.

lisbabylover (Manchester United): This is undeniably the worst most blinkered teamtalk column i've ever read! It was so bad that I felt compled to register to comment to point that out! Carrick has one attribute...his passing but put him under the slightest bit of pressure and he'll play a lousy pass or get caught in possession. It's easy to look good in a team when you've Rooney Ronaldo etc ahead of you but irrespective of who's on the same team as him or who united are against, put any bit of pressure on Carrick and he'll be found out for what he is - the most overrated player in the epl!

[rondwisan]

hmmm ..., nunggu comment Bang Ucup dulu deh .... :peace:

[dhona.7]

hmmm, liat comment teman" yg lain dlu deh... :peace:

[Anderstone]

Dia gak over-rated, musim pertama dan keduanya di United itu dia berperan penting banget kalo gue bilang bikin lini tengah jadi seimbang pada masa-masa sebelum Fletcher berubah jadi monster kaya sekarang.

Tapi musim ini adalah musim terburuk dia, kita juga tahu kok musim ini dia bermain di bawah form, jauh banget kalo dibandingin sama dua musim pertamanya.

[goodfron]

Dia gak over-rated, musim pertama dan keduanya di United itu dia berperan penting banget kalo gue bilang bikin lini tengah jadi seimbang pada masa-masa sebelum Fletcher berubah jadi monster kaya sekarang.

Tapi musim ini adalah musim terburuk dia, kita juga tahu kok musim ini dia bermain di bawah form, jauh banget kalo dibandingin sama dua musim pertamanya.
betul.. kalo' Carrick gak bisa dibilang overatted ato flop... soalnya dua musim sebelumnya masih memberikan kontribusi yg signifikan.. musim ini dia turun banget performanya.. apa gara2 abis "diperkosa" Xavi pas final Champion di Roma ya? masih trauma gitu?

[dancoloveunited]

for me, he's not overrated...

dia bagus kok di 2 musim pertamanya, musim kemarin emang agak menurun dan musim ini nggak lebih baik dari musim kemarin... gw gak tau kenapa... keliatan ada tekanan dan banyak pikiran gitu kalo dia main sekarang...

well, sedikit OOT, kayaknya nasibnya kebalik sama si #9 nih...

Carrick = dua musim pertama bagus, selanjutnya menurun...

#9 = dua musim pertama flop, selanjutnya??? apakah akan bagus???

I don't think so...

semoga Carrick tetap bertahan dan kembali ke performa dia yang sebenarnya seperti di 06/07 & 07/08...

(dan semoga si #9 segera ditendang dari OT... hwhwhwhw... :peace:)

[B4YU]

Carrick overrated?? jelas tidak setuju...

Carrick Flop??? ...setuju ... kalau ukurannya musim ini dan dibandingkan dengan musim sebelumnya tentunya... dia menurut gw gagal di musim ini..

sepanjang musim ini permainan dia jauh menurun ketimbang musim sebelumnya..

sebabnya??? ... entahlah gw sendiri jg belum tahu sebab pastinya.. dan berharap dia segera bisa mengangkat kembali permainannya ..

karena posisi nya sangat rawan "tergusur" menurut gw jika keseringan tampil di bawah performa terbaiknya...

OOT... Vidic juga hampir sama kasusnya.. tapi mgkn faktor cedera di awal musim utk Vidic jg berpengaruh...

[red_devilz]

TBH, pemain United yg tampil dalam performa terbaiknya pada musim ini hanya ada 3 orang .... Rooney , Fletcher , dan Evra

Sementara performa pemain2 lainnya cenderung "up and down" , including Carrick ...

Posisi Carrick mirip dengan Pirlo d A.C Milan ..... deep lying playmaker

IMHO, Carrick masih memiliki masa depan yg cerah d United .... dia bisa ditempatkan sebagai Bek Tengah dadakan juga sebagai alternatif dan solusi ketika United mengalami krisis pemain belakang ...

Seorang Ryan Giggs pun pernah mengalami penurunan performa (pada musim 01/02 ) ... so, give him (Carrick) a longer time to prove his class ...

*FYI, Carrick adalah tipikal pemain yg disukai Fergie (dr segi sifat ) , seorang pemain yg datang ke Carrington tepat waktu (di pagi / sore hari ) dan lebih memilih menghabiskan waktu senggang bersama keluarga ...

[seven7]

sudah 4 tahun carrick bermain di MU...dan musim ini adalah penampilan terburuknya. Jadi gw kurang setuju kalo kita langsung menilai Carrick Overrated.
memang sih pembelian dia dari Spurs bisa di bilang "agak mahal" tapi.. 2 musim pertamanya menunjukan performa yang sangat baik dan orang menjadi "sedikit" melupakan "harga pembelian" dia...tapi bukan dengan performa buruk ditahun ini lantas cap "overated" bisa langsung menempel didirinya...

[yoshiharu_kubo10]

yups...

aku rasa penyebutan overrated untuk Michael Carrick itu tidak tepat...

dia memang mempunyai kemampuan passing yang baik...dia cukup baik juga mengatur tempo permainan...

hanya saja...musim ini memang penampilannya tidak baik...dia bahkan tenggelam oleh Fletcher...

[Hendy]

Dia gak over-rated, musim pertama dan keduanya di United itu dia berperan penting banget kalo gue bilang bikin lini tengah jadi seimbang pada masa-masa sebelum Fletcher berubah jadi monster kaya sekarang.

Tapi musim ini adalah musim terburuk dia, kita juga tahu kok musim ini dia bermain di bawah form, jauh banget kalo dibandingin sama dua musim pertamanya.
adakah data-data yang bisa membuktikan dia bermain buruk musim ini dibandingkan musim lalu ??? :-??

[Ucup Carrick]

musim ini flop karena konsentrasi dia terbagi antara united dan kepastian masuk timnas Inggris ke piala dunia...
dia bilang gitu ke gua...hehehe...
satu lagi...karena kemaren kekurangan bek jadinya mendadak dia digeser ke bek tengah...itu bagi gua sangat berpengaruh ama permainannya di lini tengah....

[goodfron]

musim ini flop karena konsentrasi dia terbagi antara united dan kepastian masuk timnas Inggris ke piala dunia...
dia bilang gitu ke gua...hehehe...
satu lagi...karena kemaren kekurangan bek jadinya mendadak dia digeser ke bek tengah...itu bagi gua sangat berpengaruh ama permainannya di lini tengah....

berarti carrick lupa gak kalibrasi ulang ya? :D

[Red Army]

Carrick emang lg mengalami musim buruk, gagal penalty vs Burnley awalnya & langsung di parkir oleh opa next gamenya, selanjutnya performanya naik turun tp saya masih tetap percaya dg Carrick

[yoshiharu_kubo10]

Carrick emang lg mengalami musim buruk, gagal penalty vs Burnley awalnya & langsung di parkir oleh opa next gamenya, selanjutnya performanya naik turun tp saya masih tetap percaya dg Carrick

ingat juga pertandingan v Liverpool...

dia kehilangan bola...dan Torres membuat gol...:hammer:

hmmmph...kenapa dia bisa kehilangan konsentrasi gitu...

[Hendy]

anaknya carrick lagi sering sakit kali...jadinya konsentrasinya terbagi...anak perempuan kesayangannya kepingin papahnya selalu ada disisinya tapi tuntutan profesi membuat carrick tidak bisa mengikuti kemauan putri tercintanya :hammer:

hoaxxx abis

[theater of dream]

Carrick termasuk pengumpan terbaik United, tapi kalo diliat musim ini Carrick seharus nya main pake KACA (kaca spion) biar bola nya ngga gampang lagi diambil dari belakang hehehe..:berbusa::ngacir:

[RedRob]

seingat gw ada statement entah dari Schmikes atau siapa tentang Scholesy yang kurang lebih bunyinya, "Ketika tim bermain baik kita seperti tidak sadar dia berada di lapangan, tapi ketika tim bermain buruk barulah kita sadar kalau dia tidak ada di sana."

gw rasa Carrick kurang lebih bisa dilihat seperti itu (walau levelnya masih jauh dari si pangeran jahe).. perannya sebagai pengalir bola dan penahan pertama gempuran kadang2 gak keliatan, tapi dia punya peran yang cukup vital di skema permainan..

musim ini memang keliatannya Carrick gak dapat ritme yang pas dalam permainannya plus fisiknya pun agak keteteran.. so, menurut gw, overrated? ngga juga.. bad season? bisa jadi..

[Hendy]

kedatangan carrick ke OT bukannya dimaksudkan SAF buat ngegantiin perannya RK ?
CMIIW

[yoshiharu_kubo10]

kedatangan carrick ke OT bukannya dimaksudkan SAF buat ngegantiin perannya RK ?
CMIIW

kalau dari gaya permainannya sih...bukan...

meski nomornya nerusin Keane...

[Anderstone]

adakah data-data yang bisa membuktikan dia bermain buruk musim ini dibandingkan musim lalu ??? :-??

sesuatu yang absolut kelihatan dengan mata telanjang gak perlu pembuktian data. besok-besok ada yang minta data pembuktian apakah eric djemba-djemba bermain buruk di united.

orang yang bilang Michael Carrick dalam musim ini bermain sebagus 2 musim pertamanya di United, antara ia gak fokus nonton atau menyaksikan Carrick yang lain...

[Red.Elora]

Carrick overrated ? obviously not ...

2 musim pertama banyak pihak yg meragukan but for me , he one of the best we had ... this season , he is just having a " bad " season , thats all

:D

[yoshiharu_kubo10]

sesuatu yang absolut kelihatan dengan mata telanjang gak perlu pembuktian data. besok-besok ada yang minta data pembuktian apakah eric djemba-djemba bermain buruk di united.

orang yang bilang Michael Carrick dalam musim ini bermain sebagus 2 musim pertamanya di United, antara ia gak fokus nonton atau menyaksikan Carrick yang lain...

jangan bilang absolut-absolut ah, Lae...wkwkwkwk...

ntar kaya "teman" kita pendukung klub meriam itu...

dan lagi pemainan Carrick yang memburuk juga bukan suatu yang tidak bisa diperdebatkan...karena di posting awal kan bro Oncy sudah menunjukkan bahwa ada yang tidak setuju dengan hal itu...

[Hendy]

sesuatu yang absolut kelihatan dengan mata telanjang gak perlu pembuktian data. besok-besok ada yang minta data pembuktian apakah eric djemba-djemba bermain buruk di united.

orang yang bilang Michael Carrick dalam musim ini bermain sebagus 2 musim pertamanya di United, antara ia gak fokus nonton atau menyaksikan Carrick yang lain...

sebagus 2 musim sebelumnya maksudnya gimana ya? :think:

seorang pemain sepakbola dengan posisi midfielder yg gak jelas condong ke AMF or DMF [abis carrick gak pasti sih perannya :amazed:]dibilang bagus bermain saat gimana ya? :think:

sorry klo agak OOT, midfielder bagus kayak Xavi kah? yang ini lebih condong AMF kn?

[seven7]

sebagus 2 musim sebelumnya maksudnya gimana ya? :think:

seorang pemain sepakbola dengan posisi midfielder yg gak jelas condong ke AMF or DMF [abis carrick gak pasti sih perannya :amazed:]dibilang bagus bermain saat gimana ya? :think:

sorry klo agak OOT, midfielder bagus kayak Xavi kah? yang ini lebih condong AMF kn?

yg dimaksud bro pangeran mungkin permainan carrick di 2 musim pertamanya di MU lebih baik dari musim ini..
dan "bagus" atau "tidak bagus" nya bermain itu tidak hanya absolut dilihat dari data2 yang ada... karena banyak sekali data-data yang mungkin bro hendy minta tidak tersaji secara nyata di dalam "data-data"
seperti "kecolongan bola", "salah pasing", "tidak cermat menjaga pergerakan musuh" dan lain sebagainya...

jadi kalau bro hendy mempertanyakan sperti apa 2 musim pertamanya carrick dibandingkan musim ini.. bro hendy harus nonton semua pertandingan yang dimainkan oleh carrick.. nah disitu pasti bro hendy bisa mengambil kesimpulan, kenapa ada penilaian bahwa "carrick dimusim ini tidak bermain secara baik"

[juliand_fergie]

I don't thing Carrick is overrated. If he is, he won't be staying at OT for this long. It's just a bad season for him..

selama ini pun udh keliatan kok gimana kinerjanya dia, meskipun menurut gw dia tidak segarang Roy Keane dulu. RK sangat terlihat perannya di lini tengah sebagai penyeimbang alur serangan dan juga dlm bertahan, sedangkan Carrick cenderung tak terlihat but he produced something to our game. kontribusinya udh terlihat kan selama 3 tahun ini (3 EPL + 1 UCL).

kalo musim ini, selain cedera gelandang2 lainnya pun banyak yg silih berganti bertandem dgn Fletcher. kdg ada Ando, lalu Gibbo, belum lagi Scholes yg masih sering diturunkan, dan ada juga PJS yg musim ini tampil cukup baik. kesemuanya itu mungkin juga bisa menjadi faktor kenapa performa Carrick jadi sedikit tenggelam dan tidak sebaik musim2 sebelumnya.

but still, he's not overrated.. I'm sure he'll be back on his great form this summer

[Hendy]

karena banyak sekali data-data yang mungkin bro hendy minta tidak tersaji secara nyata di dalam "data-data"
seperti "kecolongan bola", "salah pasing", "tidak cermat menjaga pergerakan musuh" dan lain sebagainya...

jadi kalau bro hendy mempertanyakan sperti apa 2 musim pertamanya carrick dibandingkan musim ini.. bro hendy harus nonton semua pertandingan yang dimainkan oleh carrick.. nah disitu pasti bro hendy bisa mengambil kesimpulan, kenapa ada penilaian bahwa "carrick dimusim ini tidak bermain secara baik"

overrated itu maksud aslinya gimana sih? performanya menurun ato harganya kemahalan? dia di transfer ke MU brp sih?15Juta Ponds bkn?CMIIW

klo mesti nonton semua pertandingannya dulu trus mengamati si carrick doank, selain makan banyak waktu juga gak bisa nikmatin pertandingan donk :peace:

hal yang jadi patokan ato Variabel apa yang menentukan dia itu bermain buruk? klo yang sepengelihatan gw performanya carrick emang begini2 aja di 2 musim sebelumnya...kadang dia menjadi midfielder yang "PASTI PAS" umpannya...kadang dia bisa nyetak gol dari luar kotak penalti...cuma musim ini gak keluar aja...

berikan flashback mengenai performanya klo ane salah :peace:

I don't thing Carrick is overrated. If he is, he won't be staying at OT for this long. It's just a bad season for him..

selama ini pun udh keliatan kok gimana kinerjanya dia, meskipun menurut gw dia tidak segarang Roy Keane dulu. RK sangat terlihat perannya di lini tengah sebagai penyeimbang alur serangan dan juga dlm bertahan, sedangkan Carrick cenderung tak terlihat but he produced something to our game. kontribusinya udh terlihat kan selama 3 tahun ini (3 EPL + 1 UCL).

kalo musim ini, selain cedera gelandang2 lainnya pun banyak yg silih berganti bertandem dgn Fletcher. kdg ada Ando, lalu Gibbo, belum lagi Scholes yg masih sering diturunkan, dan ada juga PJS yg musim ini tampil cukup baik. kesemuanya itu mungkin juga bisa menjadi faktor kenapa performa Carrick jadi sedikit tenggelam dan tidak sebaik musim2 sebelumnya.

berarti bener donk si Carrick dibeli dr Spurs buat menggantikan si RK kn? dulu sih gw dengernya begitu...CMIIW

klo bener maksudnya begitu, meskipun mereka berbeda tipe (malahan menurut gw Fletcher yang lebih sangar dan lebih mirip RK), berarti carrick tidak overrated (walau gw gak gitu yakin maksud overrated ini apa :malu:)

[dhona.7]

maksud'a overrated itu apa sih om, mklmlah saya msh academy... Hhe, :peace:

[Red.Elora]

maksud'a overrated itu apa sih om, mklmlah saya msh academy... Hhe, :peace:

nubi coba bantu yah mba ...

kalo diliat dr artikel yg bung oncy bawa ..."overrated"atau mungkin tepatnya kritikan dr pundit disitu mungkin menyorot kepada musim ini Carrick sering kehilangan bola , kurang berani beradu fisik , passing gamenya jg kurang kehilatan musim ini , dan tidak konsisten ketika bermain klub-klub yang kuat ... so Carrick seems can't handle his position this season altough SAF still believe in him ...kurang lebih begitu CMIIW

IMO ... mungkin ada tepatnya kritikan2 tersebut , musim ini Carrick kelihatan seperti itu ntah karena ketutup sama Fletch yg fenomenal, takut cedera karena world cup or alasan lain yg hanya dia sendiri yang tau ... but to me , still i say , he is still got lot of things to our team ... dan kalo hargo sudah sembuh , pengen banget liat duet Inggris di tim kita ... atau mungkin maen 4 - 3 - 3 dimana kita punya 3 midfield yang tidak hanya kuat dalam bertahan tapi bisa juga menyerang ???

:happy:

[juliand_fergie]

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berarti bener donk si Carrick dibeli dr Spurs buat menggantikan si RK kn? dulu sih gw dengernya begitu...CMIIW

klo bener maksudnya begitu, meskipun mereka berbeda tipe (malahan menurut gw Fletcher yang lebih sangar dan lebih mirip RK), berarti carrick tidak overrated (walau gw gak gitu yakin maksud overrated ini apa :malu:)

kalo menurut gw pribadi, waktu awalnya Carrick dibeli dari Spurs, emang kayanya buat ngelapisin Keano. selain Carrick, waktu itu juga udh ada Liam Miller (yang konon emg katanya buat mengganti RK juga), belum lagi ada Eric Djemba-Djemba dan Kleberson (kalo yg dua ini gw ga gitu paham bakal difungsiin gimana).

dari yg udh gw sebutin, Carrick doang yg penampilannya lebih nyetel di skuad United. Liam Miller ga berkembang, Djemba2 juga biasa2 aja, Kleberson juga sebelas-12. alhasil, tinggal Carrick yang bisa mengimbangi RK yang saat itu msh berseragam United.

Kalo masalah Fletcher, DF24 sendiri saat itu penampilannya belum sedahsyat sekarang, dan posisi awalnya dia pun emg bukan sebagai gelandang tengah melainkan lebih ke sayap kanan mirip dengan posisi lama DB7. tapi nyatanya, penampilan Fletch saat itu cenderung loyo dan jauh berada dibawah bayang2 CR7. DF baru maen lebih garang setelah SAF mencoba memasangnya di lebih ketengah, bersama Hargo dan Carrick. maennya pun jadi lebih nyetel & dominan. that's why Fletcher turned into a monster that we know now.

dan sekali lagi, gw juga ga menilai Carrick overrated karena memang dia tampil cukup baik selama ini, meskipun penampilannya cenderung naik turun. tapi ya kata gw tadi, he could produced something to United's game. dan di musim ini, permainan Carrick emang agak sedikit kurang ciamik dibanding musim2 sebelumnya..

[Ucup Carrick]

sorry...Carrick dibeli pasca piala dunia 2006....kleberson, djemba-djemba dan Miller udah cabut duluan...dan Carrick gak pernah main bareng Keano di United...
kala itu United butuh pemain jangkar...penyeimbang di lini tengah...sepeninggal Keano...
maka secara mengejutkan Carrick dibeli padahal di Piala Dunia dia bisa dibilang jelek mainnya...
tapi Fergie namanya kalo dia bisa optimalkan kemampuan pemain...Carrick mampu menjawab tuntutan kebutuhan permainan setan merah dengan gelar liga pertamanya pada 2007 hingga yang ketiga 2009...plus UCL di 2008....
Seperti yang ane katakan...musim ini bisa dibilang berat buat Carrick...
kalau pribadi...dia dah punya anak...pastinya konsen dia juga kesono terus..
lalu...pertengahan musim kemaren United krisis bek sehingga dia digeser jadi bek tengah seperti yang perbah gua bilang....
ditambah mau jelang piala dunia...tentunya carrick punya beban tersendiri untuk bisa tampil di Afsel 2010...mungkin dengan menghindari cedera dan benturan fisik tentunya....
tapi percaya deh...abis piala dunia..Carrick akan kembali seperti awal dia bergabung...

[juliand_fergie]

sorry...Carrick dibeli pasca piala dunia 2006....kleberson, djemba-djemba dan Miller udah cabut duluan...dan Carrick gak pernah main bareng Keano di United...
kala itu United butuh pemain jangkar...penyeimbang di lini tengah...sepeninggal Keano...
maka secara mengejutkan Carrick dibeli padahal di Piala Dunia dia bisa dibilang jelek mainnya...
tapi Fergie namanya kalo dia bisa optimalkan kemampuan pemain...Carrick mampu menjawab tuntutan kebutuhan permainan setan merah dengan gelar liga pertamanya pada 2007 hingga yang ketiga 2009...plus UCL di 2008....
Seperti yang ane katakan...musim ini bisa dibilang berat buat Carrick...
kalau pribadi...dia dah punya anak...pastinya konsen dia juga kesono terus..
lalu...pertengahan musim kemaren United krisis bek sehingga dia digeser jadi bek tengah seperti yang perbah gua bilang....
ditambah mau jelang piala dunia...tentunya carrick punya beban tersendiri untuk bisa tampil di Afsel 2010...mungkin dengan menghindari cedera dan benturan fisik tentunya....
tapi percaya deh...abis piala dunia..Carrick akan kembali seperti awal dia bergabung...

nice info...

maap niih bang, ingatan gue berarti yg kurang kuat.. maklum, ga ubek2 info dulu.. ngandelin ingetan doang eh taunya salah.. :malu: tak kira sempet maen bareng

berarti bener ya, emg dia itu awalnya berperan utk gantiin keano? tapi makin kesini perannya jadi rada berimbang ama Fletcher. semoga aja di Afsel nanti tampil baik, dan dapat kembali ke performa terbaiknya bersama United di musim depan

[Hendy]

so he's not overrated.

[dhona.7]

nubi coba bantu yah mba ...

kalo diliat dr artikel yg bung oncy bawa ..."overrated"atau mungkin tepatnya kritikan dr pundit disitu mungkin menyorot kepada musim ini Carrick sering kehilangan bola , kurang berani beradu fisik , passing gamenya jg kurang kehilatan musim ini , dan tidak konsisten ketika bermain klub-klub yang kuat ... so Carrick seems can't handle his position this season altough SAF still believe in him ...kurang lebih begitu CMIIW

IMO ... mungkin ada tepatnya kritikan2 tersebut , musim ini Carrick kelihatan seperti itu ntah karena ketutup sama Fletch yg fenomenal, takut cedera karena world cup or alasan lain yg hanya dia sendiri yang tau ... but to me , still i say , he is still got lot of things to our team ... dan kalo hargo sudah sembuh , pengen banget liat duet Inggris di tim kita ... atau mungkin maen 4 - 3 - 3 dimana kita punya 3 midfield yang tidak hanya kuat dalam bertahan tapi bisa juga menyerang ???

:happy:

thx nubi...
oiy btw saya mas, bukan mba... :hammer:

[Wengge Schmeichel]

Michael Carrick is a Red..apa ini msh bs didengar next season? Banyak gunjingan yg mengatakan klo Carrick udah nga dibutuhkan lagi..klo kita mundur 4 th kebelakang, jasanya besar sbg titisan Keano yg pd wkt itu United kosong DM sepeninggal Keano (Kleberson & Djemba GaTot)..tp skrg lain cerita..Opa udah nga concern dgn DM d formasi 4-4-2, ini terbukti Opa srg taruh Scholes & Fletcher ditengah..klo issue Lass Diara bener, bahaya masadepannya, blum lg Hargo yg udah fit..Formnya emang turun drastis musim ini aplg dimulai ketika gagal pinalty yg menyebabkan kekalahan pertama United musim ini oleg Burnley..
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[theater of dream]

Carrick is suck...:thumbdown:

[yoshiharu_kubo10]

Carrick is suck...:thumbdown:

nah loh...

sama Berbatov ga bisa bilang gini...sama Carrick kok bisa...:amazed:

alasannya apa ni bro...aku jadi bingung nih...:-??

[Aba_MaczUnited]

nah loh...

sama Berbatov ga bisa bilang gini...sama Carrick kok bisa...:amazed:

alasannya apa ni bro...aku jadi bingung nih...:-??


Mungkin jawabannya ini Om
lets sing : "cinta mati...harus dibawa sampai mati..." :putra::putra:

[theater of dream]

nah loh...

sama Berbatov ga bisa bilang gini...sama Carrick kok bisa...:amazed:

alasannya apa ni bro...aku jadi bingung nih...:-??Kalo buat Berbatov udah ada di sebelah bro hehehe:-"
Beberapa hal yang menurut saya Carrik memang off form musim ini..
- sering salah passing, passing kearea yang kosong dan kadang dia membuat long pass ketika kita masih bertahan dan belum siap menyerang..
- dalam beberapa match dia memang bagus tapi sebagai seorang DM sering kali gagal mengguasai area lini tengah
- bola nya terlalu gampang direbut dan ketika hendak merebut kembali selalu kehilangan langkah dan sering kali berakibat fatal, salah satu nya ketika match vs Munchen yang berujung gol.. IMO

[goodfron]

Kalo buat Berbatov udah ada di sebelah bro hehehe:-"
Beberapa hal yang menurut saya Carrik memang off form musim ini..
- sering salah passing, passing kearea yang kosong dan kadang dia membuat long pass ketika kita masih bertahan dan belum siap menyerang..
- dalam beberapa match dia memang bagus tapi sebagai seorang DM sering kali gagal mengguasai area lini tengah
- bola nya terlalu gampang direbut dan ketika hendak merebut kembali selalu kehilangan langkah dan sering kali berakibat fatal, salah satu nya ketika match vs Munchen yang berujung gol.. IMO

ada pepatah... gajah dipelupuk mata tak tampak tapi kuman diseberang lautan tampak... :D

memang mudah mencari kesalahan orang lain.. tapi sangat susah mencari kesalahan orang yg kita cintai :D

kalo' Carrick memang off form season ini... setuju!!!
berarti Berba bisa disimpulkan FLOP dong sejauh ini :D

[rondwisan]

dari thread sebelah juga ...

MICHAEL CARRICK: Had a decent winter but in the spring has been criticised for too many giveaway passes and has slipped from the first choice XI 6

bandingin ama ini :
DIMITAR BERBATOV: Divides the Reds support. Occasionally brilliant but too often a peripheral and off-colour figure. Led line well on occasion but still an enigma 6

[Oncy]

Dengan absennya Barry di WC nanti, Carrick punya kans besar utk jd starting XI England... Mungkin bs menjadi ajang Carrick menujukkan perfomanya. Sblm musim berakhir bahkan menjelang match United vs Spurs, Harry Redknapp dgn jelas mengungkapkan bahwa dia sgt tertarik menerima Carrick kembali ke Spurs dgn menambahkan dia memiliki kartu AS agar Carrick bs kembali, bahkan dia siap membarter dgn bintang Spurs yg sdh kita tau isu bahwa SAF mmg tertarik dgn Modric n Bale. HR memang sgt dikenal selalu menerima pemain yg dijual dan dibeli kembali. Tp banyak fans Spurs yg menolak rencana tersebut. Kl fans United di luar sana 50-50, dgn asumsi dpt penggantinya sepadan dan we have Fletch and maybe Hargie yg akan comeback musim depan.

Gw sih tidak bilang Carrick jelek or overrrated, namun ya bg gw Carrick msh perlu pembuktian, dia bgs sbg jangkar di lini tengah United gw merasa kelebihannya itu standard kl dibandingkan dgn CM dr club2 besar lainnya. Shooting n scoring msh kurang, marking n tackle lembek, assist pun jg msh terbilang minim, intinya gw msh bingung dgn fungsi aslinya Carrick itu apa? Hanya sbg pelengkap di lini tengahkah? Mungkin terlalu berat kl membandingkannya dgn our legend Keano, tp United beli dia berharap Carrick bs melakukan apa yg dilakukan Keano bukan? Dan gw merasa hal itu msh kurang selama ini. Setidaknya sbg tembok pertahanan pertama dikala United diserang, dan disanalh fungsi terbaik Keano selama di United.

Kl ditanya msh berharap Carrick di United musim depan, gw 50-50 up to SAF. Tp gw lbh memilih Hargie utk ada di lini tengah United dibandingkan Carrick. Ditambah adanya isu SAF mencari jangkar baru bs menjadi bukti SAF pun mulai kehilangan kepercayaan terhadap Carrick, tp itu kan msh isu...

[theater of dream]

ada pepatah... gajah dipelupuk mata tak tampak tapi kuman diseberang lautan tampak... :D

memang mudah mencari kesalahan orang lain.. tapi sangat susah mencari kesalahan orang yg kita cintai :D

kalo' Carrick memang off form season ini... setuju!!!
berarti Berba bisa disimpulkan FLOP dong sejauh ini :D
Berarti Berba gajah, dan Carrick kuman dong wkwkwkw:D
thread berba kok bisa nyampe sini yah ??:crazy:

dari thread sebelah juga ...

MICHAEL CARRICK: Had a decent winter but in the spring has been criticised for too many giveaway passes and has slipped from the first choice XI 6

bandingin ama ini :
DIMITAR BERBATOV: Divides the Reds support. Occasionally brilliant but too often a peripheral and off-colour figure. Led line well on occasion but still an enigma 6Serupa tapi tak sama opa:D

[aadbeckh07]

Carrick off form musim ini, Berba overrated karena ekspektasi..

[yoshiharu_kubo10]

Carrick off form musim ini, Berba overrated karena ekspektasi..

nah...ini singkat...padat...jelas...dan menurutku tepat...

sepakat bro...

[theater of dream]

Carrick off form musim ini, Berba overrated karena ekspektasi..Setuju.....

[Redsbusby]

Carrick, beberapa musi terakhir kemaren kan uda cukup bagus tuh, kalo emg sekarang2 ini uda mulai nurun, yaaaa paling nggak dy uda ngelewatin musim2 konsisten yg sesuai dgn harganya :D:D

Berba ngeliat harganya aja uda segitu, makanya orang2 mikir kontribusinya kecil karena harga selangitnya, bukan karena ngeliat kemampuan sebenarnya dia di Tottenham. Jgn Terlalu berharap cm liat harga.. :muflag::muflag:

[dancoloveunited]

Carrick is suck...:thumbdown:

LOL

Jgn Terlalu berharap cm liat harga.. :muflag::muflag:

ya nggak bisa gitu juga lah bro... ente kalo beli barang mahal --let say handphone-- harapannya apa????????

btt, still hope Carrick gonna stay next season...

[Redsbusby]

Jangan gitu donk, sebelom musim ini kan Carrick maennya jd lumayan, malah smpet jd bintang jg. Kalo ane msh sangat berharap Carrick tetep di MU. Carrick belum habis sob!!

[theater of dream]

dari thread sebelah juga ...

MICHAEL CARRICK: Had a decent winter but in the spring has been criticised for too many giveaway passes and has slipped from the first choice XI 6

bandingin ama ini :
DIMITAR BERBATOV: Divides the Reds support. Occasionally brilliant but too often a peripheral and off-colour figure. Led line well on occasion but still an enigma 6
Michael Carrick - 4.5. Started slowly, as has become his tradition, but ended terribly, which has not. Obviously lost Sir Alex Ferguson's trust as well as his place after erring in both legs of the Champions League quarter-final against Bayern Munich. Never seemed more important than when he was bringing a stately elegance to his time as an emergency centre back, but seems to have regressed as a midfielder.

Bandingkan dengan yang ini...
Dimitar Berbatov - 5. The great enigma managed some delightful touches and a goal every other league start, but failed to score in Europe or against a side in the top seven. Consigned to the bench against most of the more demanding opponents and selected from the start against the lesser sides, he remains more of a problem than a solution
Tidak sama dan tidak serupa wkwkwkwk.....
Btw rapor soccernet nih agak kejam yah...:D

[ariesto]

paling tidak Carrick sudh membuktikan kapasitas dia di 3 musim pertamany.
Thn 06-07 status carrick adalah pembelian satu2nya tp MU malah bisa juara. Dan penampilan terbaiknya terus dipertahankan sampe MU meraih threepeat yg ke 2. Kalo dianggp off form saya setuju, tp kl flop saya cm pgn blg "3 musim yg lalu blm pny TV ya??!!"
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[theater of dream]

Carrick tidak overrated, tapi kalo musim ini memang penampilan terburuk nya bahkan bisa dibilang termasuk yang terburuk dari yang terburuk...
but its not the end of the world, he 'll back next season...

[Redsbusby]

Bandingkan dengan yang ini...

Tidak sama dan tidak serupa wkwkwkwk.....
Btw rapor soccernet nih agak kejam yah...:D

hahaha, kayaknya banyak yg bukan sebagai pendukung Carrick, tapi pendukung "Berba out" nih..hihihii:devil3:

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Carrick tidak overrated, tapi kalo musim ini memang penampilan terburuk nya bahkan bisa dibilang termasuk yang terburuk dari yang terburuk...
but its not the end of the world, he 'll back next season...

Yes he will....masih percaya carrick kok...

[theater of dream]

Seberapa pun buruk nya penampilan pemain, paling ngga dia udah berusaha dan berjuang keras untuk klub, jadi disamping kritikan buat mencari solusi kita juga selayak nya memberikan appresiasi dan dukungan moral, as long as he is United player...:beer:

[Redsbusby]

Seberapa pun buruk nya penampilan pemain, paling ngga dia udah berusaha dan berjuang keras untuk klub, jadi disamping kritikan buat mencari solusi kita juga selayak nya memberikan appresiasi dan dukungan moral, as long as he is United player...:beer:

Melanjutkan post bung TOD, klo bisa jgn liat pemain hanya dr semusim, harga atau lain2. Bagaimana jg mereka uda nunjukin yg terbaik untuk MU. Sebut saja carrick yg musim kemaren2 ngga bisa dipungkiri bahwa performanya lumayan dan sempat jd pembicaraaan. Namun musim ini emg bukan musimnya. Overrated? Mungkin ada yg belum puas, karena mereka terlalu ngebandingin harga dgn gol, harga dgn performa, dan laen2. TP intinya, sebelum dibeli pastilah opa dan staffnya punya opini dan pertimbangan yg 'lebih pas' daripada kita. Ngga mungkin dalam satu klub kita berharap semuanya adalah david beckham, cr7, roo, messi, Lev yashin, Gary Pallister, dan lain2. Jadi? Cintailah United apa adanya:wowcaem::wowcaem:

:ngacir::ngacir::ngacir::ngacir::ngacir::ngacir:

[theater of dream]

Carrick found him self again... C'mon England.....:D

[rondwisan]

Carrick found him self again... C'mon England.....:D

rasanya Carrick masih blom menemukan dirinya kembali Sob ... :(
poor Carrick ..., gw rasa semalem doi starter krn Lampard diistirahatkan ...

MICHAEL CARRICK: His first move was to get dispossessed in a dangerous position. Then he ran around like a headless chicken. Then he needlessly gave the ball away. Then he disappeared. The first thing he did of any note was a shadowing run on Giovani in the 42nd minute. There's a reason Sir Alex Ferguson no longer picks him. It was a massive relief to see him leave the pitch after little more than an hour.

[theater of dream]

Udah Opa...
MICHAEL CARRICK: His first move was to get dispossessed in a dangerous position. Then he ran around like a headless chicken. Then he needlessly gave the ball away. Then he disappeared. The first thing he did of any note was a shadowing run on Giovani in the 42nd minute. There's a reason Sir Alex Ferguson no longer picks him. It was a massive relief to see him leave the pitch after little more than an hour.
wkwkwkwk...................:ngacir:

[rondwisan]

Udah Opa...

wkwkwkwk...................:ngacir:

gubrax ... :hammer::hammer:
hehehe ..., finally i knew what u mean :|:|

untung Berba udah cabut dari timnas bulgaria ..., lah jadi OOT :)>-

[theater of dream]

I hope i am wrong... but i prefer Hargo 54 detik ketimbang Carrick 54 games

[drivemein]

England World Cup squad: Michael Carrick fluffs finals audition
-telegraph.co.uk-

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As he trudged off the pitch, head bowed, an hour gone and his number raised, Michael Carrick looked like a man who had been presented with a first-class air ticket - and then forgot his passport.

Too much can be read into such contests, such auditions. Too much rests, in the eye of the observer, in each mis-placed pass, each tackle half-heartedly entered into for the fear of failure or the fear of making a mistake.

But Carrick was a casualty last night. James Milner also - although he at least found some necessary redemption later on. Both will still be favoured to make the plane to South Africa, Milner especially, but their stock was diminished. Asked to play in the middle against the Mexicans and they made it a muddle.

It was a good evening for the watching Frank Lampard and a good one, also, for Gareth Barry - but only if he can pass that crucial fitness test later today and give Fabio Capello a sliver of hope that his ankle may recover in time for that second group game against Algeria on June 18. The England manager’s belief that he needs a specialist holding player was confirmed.

The Italian does a thrusting motion with his arms low and out-stretched when he’s happy and England score a goal. It’s like a short-arm jab. Brief and controlled; a violent sign of approval. As the goals went at Wembley they were greeted with a statuesque stillness from Capello. Ledley King headed home, Peter Crouch bundled the ball over the line and Glen Johnson whipped in an admittedly fine third goal.

But Capello was more irritated by what was happening around those moments. He had spoken about “this game being important for the alternatives” in his squad and starting with Carrick and Milner in the centre was their opportunity to stake a claim. This was, after all, the first time that Capello had selected a side without either of his first-choice central players, Lampard or Barry, in the team, a sequence of matches that runs to 22.

Milner, along with Adam Johnson - why was he only given five minutes? - has been marked out by Capello as England’s most improved player. The Italian admires his diligence, his willingness to learn and his bravery in wanting to receive the ball. He shone against Brazil last autumn in Qatar because he did not shirk.

But last night the action passed him by. Milner was chasing shadows. Alongside Carrick, whose confidence is shot - witness the ridiculous under-hit cross-field pass intended for Leighton Baines but which flew straight to Giovani Dos Santos - he struggled. Only a fortunate deflection off Rio Ferdinand blocked a goal-bound effort.

The problem was the pair were too flat and too passive. It was like a non-aggression pact. It meant they were alongside each other, rather than covering the angles. Mexico, the strings being pulled by captain Gerardo Torrado, played “between the lines” with Dos Santos dropping into the space that would normally be occupied by Barry. It wasn’t smart and their retention of the ball wasn’t either. England were being out-passed and out-manoeuvred and Milner’s brightest moment was when he pulled wide and crossed deep towards Crouch.

Capello abandoned the experiment at half-time. It was a first 45 minutes that surely cemented his belief that Theo Walcott was worthy of inclusion - his pace was a constant threat, as was Aaron Lennon’s when he came on, and if only his final delivery matched it.

There would surely be clues to Capello’s thoughts with the changes he made at the interval and not just in personnel. Crouch had passed his audition, if he needed to, and gave way to Jermain Defoe, Jamie Carragher required time on the pitch as did Joe Hart but still Adam Johnson was made to wait. Milner survived the cut but was not allowed to resume in the centre of midfield with Steven Gerrard pushed inside to occupy the position he craves.

It meant England were given greater definition with Carrick immediately taking the holding role and sitting in front of the back four. Capello’s adjustments quickly ensured a reaction. But Carrick didn’t last and on came Tom Huddlestone. It meant that the central midfield had been unstitched after just two-thirds of the match and suddenly Gerrard was driving into the penalty area and providing some impetus. He linked sharply with Wayne Rooney to win a free-kick just outside the lip of the area but then was also willing to drop back and allow Huddlestone to push forward.

Maybe it was also because Mexico had lost a little belief but England seemed to gain some control, and though Milner was a workmanlike, rather than impressive presence, out wide but did provide greater protection for Leighton Baines.

It was a curious night, an in-between occasion. But it was also one in which reputations were questioned rather than enhanced. Capello looked unimpressed which may be no bad thing.

[theater of dream]

ayo dong Carrick, mumpung ada kesempatan di WC buat perbaiki penampilan untuk United musim depan..:-bd

[Redsbusby]

Siapa tau di Timnas malah OK, kan dikit banyak MU dapet kebagian 'jatah' buat musim depan. masih percaya kok ama Carrick...:devil2:

[rondwisan]

semalem di timnas masih katrok Sob ... :(
kagak "bangun2x" nih si Carrick ..., hikss ... :hammer:

[drivemein]

semalem di timnas masih katrok Sob ... :(
kagak "bangun2x" nih si Carrick ..., hikss ... :hammer:

benar opa Ron.
tadi pagi carrick mainnya jelek, walaupun ga smp jelek banget.
beberapa kali salah umpan dan dlm membaca permainan mulai menurun.
bingung, sedih, dan ga nyangka klo penampilan carrick menurun spt ini.
mudah2an carrick dpt ikut afsel dan membantu Roo cs. mjd juara. AMIN...

[Redsbusby]

Masih ada waktu Car! (ciee sok akrab)... kl, td malem lumayanlah, meski uda lebih parah dr sebelumnya...:mudance::mudance:

[hendiplast]

ganbatte Carrick!! :)

World Cup could be United tonic for Carrick

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Michael Carrick is hoping to use the World Cup to rescue his United career.

The England midfielder’s Old Trafford future is under serious threat as Sir Alex Ferguson looks to return United to Premier League supremacy.

Carrick found himself on the fringes as Fergie tried to hold off Chelsea in the race for the title and could find himself on the way out as the United boss firms up his plans for next season.

With Rafael van der Vaart, Luka Modric, James Milner and Joe Cole all on Ferguson’s radar, it is becoming increasingly likely that Carrick – who won three successive titles in his first three years at the club – could be the one to make way.

The 28-year-old former West Ham and Tottenham star still isn’t guaranteed a place in Fabio Capello’s World Cup squad.

With Gareth Barry facing a race to be fit for the tournament, it could present Carrick with the chance to put some gloss on a season that petered out disappointingly at club level.

He will be well aware that Nicky Butt’s impressive form in the 2002 World Cup saw him earn a starting berth at United the following season.

Carrick will have to hope he can do the same – or at the very least put himself in the shop window for potential suitors.

It has already been mooted that he could be used as a makeweight in any deal to bring Modric to Old Trafford, even if Harry Redknapp insists the Tottenham playmaker is not for sale.

Carrick came under criticism for the size of his fee following his £18.6m transfer from Spurs in 2006 but silenced doubters by immediately helping United to their first title in four years.

A year later he was a pivotal part in their Premier League and Champions League double and again in their third successive title in 2009.

But he struggled to find consistency last season, with Ferguson saying he was a notoriously slow starter as he toiled in the opening weeks of the campaign.

By the end of the season he found himself left out of the side for Scholes and Darron Gibson as Ferguson finally appeared to lose faith in him.

NME

[hendiplast]

Sadler looks for Carrick reaction

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Geoff Hurst might not be the first name that springs to mind when you think of Michael Carrick – but England’s 1966 hat-trick hero might just be a source of inspiration to the United midfielder.

Carrick, who was many pundits’ pick to be a high-profile casualty of Fabio Capello’s World Cup squad, is in South Africa – albeit by the skin of his teeth.

That by no means guarantees a significant involvement in the tournament, but it does give him a platform upon which he can put some shine on an underwhelming 2010.

And United legend and former England international David Sadler believes the World Cup will provide Carrick with the opportunity not only to salvage his England career, but also his Old Trafford one.

The 1968 European Cup winner, who was a late omission from Sir Alf Ramsey’s 1970 squad – having made the provisional 28 – cites Hurst as a classic example of an unlikely hero emerging from the pack.

The former West Ham striker was merely understudy to the great Jimmy Greaves at the start of the tournament in ‘66, but emerged as the hero when his three Wembley goals fired England to their only ever World Cup victory.

It’s hard to imagine Carrick matching that, but Sadler insists the comparison holds true.

“Why not?” he says. “Often the team that starts the tournament doesn’t look a lot like the one that ends it.

“There are lots of examples of unlikely heroes coming through. It’s not always the 11 best individuals that make up a World Cup winning squad. The important thing for Carrick is that he’s there.

“He’s made it into the squad and while if everyone is fit I can’t see him getting into the starting line-up, should he get the opportunity, he’s got to grab it with both hands.

“It could be so important for his career. It’s not only England that he’s fighting to be involved with, it’s also United.”

Mark Wright

There have been numerous examples of fringe members of the squad becoming a pivotal part of England’s hopes. Mark Wright at Italia ‘90 was key to the sweeper system that took Bobby Robson’s side to within a penalty shoot-out of the final.

In 2002 it was Nicky Butt and Trevor Sinclair who forced their way into Sven-Goran Eriksson’s thinking.

While Carrick is essentially seen as an understudy to Gareth Barry, the City player’s damaged ankle ligaments could clear the way for his United rival.

Sadler, though, accepts Carrick’s club form put him in serious danger of missing out altogether.

“By his standards the season didn’t end well,” said Sadler. “The Champions League quarter-final first leg stands out as a disappointing game and one that he won’t have been happy with himself.

“He seemed to be in and out of the side from then on and it wouldn’t be the first time Sir Alex has made his mind up on the strength of a performance like that.

“Michael will not have been happy with the way the season went himself, but I don’t think his United career is done and dusted by any means.

“I’m a big fan and think he has a lot to offer a team. I think he can do it for England if he gets the chance. If he does, I’m sure he won’t waste it.”

Sadler admits he was particularly pleased to see Carrick avoid the heartache he suffered in 1970 when left out of Ramsey’s final squad.

To make matters worse, he learned of his fate from his wife – rather than the England manager.

“It was devastating to be left out,” he said. “I’d got injured in the last game of the season, but was part of the 28 anyway. But I knew why I was in the squad.

“Basically the only way I was getting in was if one of the senior players struggled with the conditions, the altitude.

“Even so, it was very difficult to be told you’re not going. It didn’t help that there was an incident with Alf Ramsey.

“He had decided to reveal the squad to the British press before he told the players, only because he wanted to help them with their deadlines given the time difference between Mexico and England.

“Unfortunately one newspaper decided to ring around for reaction from the players’ families who were left out.

“It meant one reporter ringing my wife. I’d been in contact with her throughout and she knew how hopeful I was of getting in. In the end she had to call me to tell me I wasn’t in the squad.

“It led to a confrontation with the manager where we let him know how unhappy we were that we had to learn of our fate through our families.

“But after we’d cooled down, he explained what had happened. That he was trying to help the British press and that he’d been let down by a newspaper editor.

“I could see his side of it, even if it wasn’t nice to have to hear the news from my wife.”

Sadler’s World Cup involvement was unfortunately limited to a mere watching brief. And it remains to be seen if Carrick will fare any better in the tournament.

NME

[Redsbusby]

Moga aja Capello sering maenin Carrick deh di TImnas, jadi bisa siap buat mmaen diawal musim depan, berhubung Roo kayaknya absen karena liburan lebih, jadi skuad yg ada ngga terlalu jelek2 amat :D

[Wengge Schmeichel]

Sepertinya beban Carrick semakin berat.
Tempatnya di United pun sudah diragukan & di Timnaspun rasa2nya bangku cadangan akan akrab dengannya.
Performancenya memang menurun season ini menyebabkan MC16 tersingkir dari starting line up SAF.
Apakah ini tanda2 masa bakti Carrick di United & Timnas menjadi buram?

[ferly_Liemz]

Hummm neh judul masih lum di ganti,mw komen jd gmn gt hehehehe

BTT :
Carrick masih lum balik ke form nya ya...masih salah umpan2 yg danger buat bek2 kita :peace:

Masa sih dia ud mentok gt mainnya :-(
(Mau blg bermasalah ama mental,ntar ada yg salah nangkep lg :p)

Aplg dia jg jd rentan cedera gt skrg...poor carrick...
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[rondwisan]

emang judulnya mo diganti apa nih Oom ... :crazy:
or dibikinin thread baru yg lebih relevant ... :crazy:

[seven7]

emang judulnya mo diganti apa nih Oom ... :crazy:
or dibikinin thread baru yg lebih relevant ... :crazy:

mungkin kamsudnya om ferly terlalu aneh aja bilang Carrick Overrated..
kalau di bilang penurunan performa ya mungkin masuk akal...

[fredrian.seven]

Klo overrated mungkin dah kadaluarsa coz dah lama. mungkin seperti park, penampilan carrick menurun.

Dulu andalan carrick tuh umpan2 seperti yang dilakukan scholes saat ini. Tapi sekarang umpan2 itu dah jarang bahkan akurat ke arah lawan. Ditambah fisik yang tidak semodel DM saat ini jadilah penampilan carrick yang menurun.

[Manchester United FC]

saya pikir memang tugas dia bukan lah sebuah dm atau seorang am , Feguson bukan seseorang yang tolol dalam meramu taktik, tidak mungkin dia selalu memainkan carrick di laga - laga penting, terlebih jikalau dia memang menurun, stok midfilder kita seharusnya bisa menggantikan dia, karena stok midfilder kita banyak juga yang bisa menggantikan perannya,,,

jadi, apa sebenrnya tugas carrick,,

didalam sepakbola, ada pergerakan dengan bola dan tanpa bola, disini carrick memegang peran penting terhadap gerakan pemain tanpa bola, seperti kita tahu, gerakan - gerakan pemain tanpa bola ini atau disebut juga blind side memiliki presentase untuk mencetak gol lebih besar, entah dari bola rebound atau operan tak terduga,,

kalau saya cermati di pertandingan2 besar yg dimana carrick di pasang disitu, dia meng cover gerakan2 orag tanpa bola tersebut, makanya sekilas dia terlihat tidak memiliki kontribusi apa2, selain itu tugas carrick juga sebagai pelapis defender yg pergi dari posnya, coba lihat saja match lawan chelsea kemarin, ketika rio atau vidic mengawal striker lawan dan pergi kluar kotak penalti, carrick justru masuk ketengah dan melapis rio maupun vidic, sedangkan park tergeser sedikit posisinya ketengah,,

menurut saya carric di tngah justru sangat sentral, meskipun trkadang dia melakuakn hal yg ceroboh,,

jika dibandingkan dengan pemain inggris lainnya, ambil saja contoh gareth barry yg selalu bermain untuk timnas inggris, bagaimana tidak, sudah rahasia umum bahwa agen barry ialah seorang penjilat kelas kakap, anda bisa cari berita ini di google,,

IMHO lo,, :army:

[troy andreas]

2 match come back setelah cedera Carrick belum kembali ke bentuk permainan terbaiknya. Mau lanjutin thread ini? :ngacir:

[Redsbusby]

Buset, diidupin lagi :hammer:

prematur gw rasa. baru 2 match setelah doi turun gunung (yg jg prematur). Terlalu dini menilai... IMHO, dan musim inipun sebelum cidera doi ga ada masalah, slh 1 pemain kunci selain rooney malah...

[theater of dream]

Belum cukup bugar aja kali....
2 match belum bisa jadi patokan

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[Victory]

udah mulai bagus tuh di match CoC kali ini. umpan terobosan di babak kedua, di menit 80an klo ga salah, seandainya mengarah ke Januzaj mgkn hasilnya akan berbeda. Sayang umpan terobosan tsb mengarah ke #11 (http://www.unitedindonesia.org/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=11) :berbusa: :|

[dellamendoza]

salah satu pemain senior lini tengah , tp doi gada partner yg seimbang buat hadang midfiled lawan...Juan bukan tipe pemain duel/rebut bola

[Ryan Firmanda]

salah satu pemain senior lini tengah , tp doi gada partner yg seimbang buat hadang midfiled lawan...Juan bukan tipe pemain duel/rebut bola

sebetulnya partner yg dicari itu sudah ada dalam diri paul pogba, duet deep lying mid (carrick) sama box to box (?) adl duet role paling populer dan menstabilkan tim saat menyerang dan bertahan...

[tumpal_oneunited]

sebetulnya partner yg dicari itu sudah ada dalam diri paul pogba, duet deep lying mid (carrick) sama box to box (?) adl duet role paling populer dan menstabilkan tim saat menyerang dan bertahan...

Sayangnya Pogba udh ga di United om.. :D
Biarkanlah Pogba di luar sana..mudah-mudahan Moyes bisa menemukan pemain yg lebih OK..