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rondwisan
05-10-2010, 12:14 AM
setelah wacth on defender ..., now we moved to MIDFIELD area ...
di sono juga dah pada geregetan gitu kali yaa ...
ampe sarkasme gitu nulisnya, pake 'stupid' :(
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It’s the midfield, stupid
unitedrant.co.uk, Ed. - Oct 4, 2010

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Watching Manchester United’s midfield completely swamped by Sunderland on Saturday one couldn’t help but think of the long season ahead. Patently past it’s best and with no effort made to improve the quality this summer, Sir Alex Ferguson stands accused of being negligent in his strategy to improve United’s midfield.

This observation is true whatever restrictions the Old Trafford money men have put in place recently. Certainly, Ferguson is either not willing or not allowed to spend heavily, with the club laying out a net £10 million this summer. So overused has it become that the ‘V-word’ cannot be mentioned without it becoming yet another cliché of the Glazer regime.

Not that the resolution to United’s problems necessarily lies in spending vast sums but Ferguson’s midfield – comprising mostly of players years past their peak, perennially injured, out-of-form or simply not good enough – now cannot compete at the highest level unless the Scot places faith in weight of numbers.

Even then it is almost impossible to make an argument that any United midfielder falls into the – for want of a less hackneyed phrase – ‘world class’ bracket.

Little has changed since the end of the window of course. United began the season with question marks hanging over each member of the midfield other than Nani. Even then fans were right to ask whether the Portuguese winger could replicate his form over the second part of last season in the coming year.

Elsewhere Ferguson possesses plenty of options but little stardust.

Even Paul Scholes, who has been fabulous against mediocre opposition this season, found it impossible to impose himself on the game against Sunderland. It is little wonder, with the 35-year-old’s legs failing him when United’s opponents press fast and hard as the Black Cats did on Saturday.

Scholes’ erstwhile creative successor, Michael Carrick, still appears slumped in the stupor that he has inhabited for more than a year now. The former Spurs player’s ability to screen United’s defence and rotate play at speed was essential to the club winning three Premier League trophies in a row from 2007-9.

Few regard the Geordie in that bracket now; perhaps even the manager, who almost certainly sanctioned a move away from Old Trafford in the summer had any suitable bids been lodged.

Anderson too has much to prove now he is recovered from serious injury. The Brazilian was unlucky to find himself occupying a loose left-sided position against Sunderland after his role at the head of United’s midfield quintet in Valencia last week. But he was again wasteful in possession on Wearside, gifting the ball away one third of the time. Worst still, only one incomplete pass was what might be deemed an attempt to create a goalscoring opportunity.

The Brazilian promises much but has so rarely delivered in his three season’s at Old Trafford to make supporters’ hopes that the 22-year-old will ride to United’s rescue seem fanciful at best.

Even Darren Fletcher is suffering this season, with the Scot’s performance well below the level United fans have come to expect over the past two years. It says much for the improvement in the Dalkeith-born player that fans are disappointed rather than merely resigned to expectation when the Scot fails to lift United from its midfield slumber.

It leaves Ferguson with the rest, which offers little hope of a short term fix, except to those of a perennial optimistic bent. Giggs, a true United legend, will pass 37 this season and can no longer operate frequently on the left wing. Darron Gibson continues to shoot at every opportunity unless a safe five yard pass offers itself instead, although the Irishman frequently traps the ball just as far in any case.

On the left of the Derry Dynamo, Park Ji-Sung can be seen running up any blind alley offered. So poor are the South Korean’s performances since the World Cup that even the clichéd energy seems to have drained from the lifeless corpse that is the 29-year-old’s form. Workrate is his raison d’etre.

Gabriel Obertan’s chances of a first team match in the coming months are minimal, while Owen Hargreaves could make his return in this month’s Carling Cup third round tie with Wolverhampton Wanders. If his leg remains attached at the knee, Ferguson will surely be pleased.

Meanwhile, in the midst the barrage of incompetency United served up on Saturday, £8 million Rafael van der Vaart continues to star for Tottenham Hotspur, £12.4 million Mesut Özil takes La Liga by storm and £12.4 million Wesley Sneijder continues to do what the Dutchman has done for the past year. It’s that V-word again.

Despite the gloom that comes with more dropped points, Bébé made his Premier League début at the Stadium of Light, coming on for Anderson with 10 minutes to go. It’s about as much as Zoran Tošić achieved in two years with the club, so therein lies an improvement at least.

The £7.4 million winger, bought sight-unseen by Ferguson this summer, still has some way to go before the exorbitant fee is recouped by the club. Never has United needed the homeless more than today.

rondwisan
05-10-2010, 12:16 AM
oh yaa ...., tulisan di atas juga menuai banyak comment ...
klo mo baca2x lebih lanjut sok atuh ke sini yaa
http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/its-the-midfield-stupid/


so what you said ... :-/:-/

Oom Panda
05-10-2010, 12:34 AM
Agree on that...
Gw juga ga ngerti apa yang dipikirin SAF pas musim panas kemaren...
Setiap tahun selalu merasa squad yg dipunyanya cukup...
??huhh... Infact... Our squad depth is horrible...
Bongkar tuh midfield... Pronote youngsters... We buy them to build not to ruin their careers...
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theater of dream
05-10-2010, 12:34 AM
wkwkwk pke kata2 stupid segala, ;))
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the seven
05-10-2010, 12:53 AM
iya neh kayanya lagi bener2 problem ama lini tengah
malah kaya hal2 yang mendasar bgt kaya salah passing gitu bisa berkali kali pas vs Sunderland.
trus sering kali pemaen tengah kita lambat atau malah ga minta bola sama sekali ke bek2 kita
akhirnya yang ada backpass lagi ke VDS atau umpan lambung jauh ke depan yang lebih banyak di dapetin musuh dari pada striker2 United

Redsbusby
05-10-2010, 04:48 AM
Kita nggak punya DM berkualitas..
Itu aja... Gelandang serang semua yg dipake fergie ;))

fredrian.seven
05-10-2010, 05:14 AM
Tidak hanya masalah DM aja, tapi semua gelandang tengah united lagi off form semua. Yang paling bagus scholes aja, tapi di usia 35 tahun tentu sangat riskan buat mengandalkan pemaen itu terus menerus. Setuju dengan om atma, lakukan aja bongkar pasang. Klo perlu jual aja pemaen yang dah mentok. Ada waktu 3 bulan sampe jeda transfer terdekat buat buktikan kualitas mereka, klo tetep biasa2 aja ya musti ada perombakan.
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rondwisan
05-10-2010, 08:36 AM
dari thread sebelah .... :(

Tambahan nih dari postingan sebelum nya...
Count what we have and what they have...
salah satu nya coba liat our Midfielders, Scholes, Fletch, Carrick, Nani, Park, Obertan, Giggs, Anderson...
Our competitor..
Chelsea: Lampard, Essien, Ramires and Mikel
Arsenal: Denilson, Fabregas, Rosicky, Nasri, Diaby, Song, Ramsey and Wilshere
Spurs: Palacios, Modric, Van Der Vaart, Huddlestone and Kranjčar
Villa: Petrov and Ireland
City: De Jong, Yaya Toure and Milner
Everton: Arteta, Cahill, Fellaini and Rodwell
Pertanyaan nya ' Are we stronger than them??'...
yang gw bold mungkin udah terjawab...

maap nih saya cuma pengangguran jadi ga bisa pake analisa cara manajer..:D:D:D

Setelah lihat kanan kiri, saya rasa masalaha ada di lini tengah.
gampangnya gini, kalo united mau bersaing dengan stok midfielder kayak sekarang, united seharusnya maenin 3 passer yang bagus di midfield. Kenapa?
Karena united ga punya tukang jegal di tengah, jadi satu2nya opsi adalah Jangan sering2 kasih bola ke musuh.

2 tengah (Fletch dan scholes/ando) aja ga cukup, di sini united butuh carrick buat berdiri persis di belakang mereka. Carrick yang mainin simple pass di tengah dan selalu jadi opsi buat dioper saat di tengah. Peran kayak gini yang ilang di United.

Suka gak suka semua tim gede eropa punya pemain yang perannya kayak gitu. Chelsea ada Essien, Barca punya busquets, Arsenal ada diaby, Madrid punya khedira.

Gua bukan bilang united butuh DM yang hardworker, united cuma butuh pemain yang pintar ngoper bola di tengah tapi juga bisa bertahan. Sekarang udah bukannya jaman DM tipe tenaga kuda kayak gattuso, sekarang era nya DM yang tekniknya tinggi.

Yang saya heran kenapa United gak main 4-5-1 (4-2-3-1) dan taro John O'shea di DM selama nunggu Carrick atau Hargie sembuh. Dia lebih bagus di DM daripada bek kanan dan dulu udah pernah sering main di pos DM.

United masih aja maen 4-4-2, dimana tim2 gede eropa lain udah ninggalin formasi ini.
Pola 4-5-1, 4-2-3-1, 4-3-3 udah ngalahin 4-4-2 untuk sepakbola sekarang ini.
Buktinya?
di WC10 kemarin tim semifinalis yang main 4-4-2 cuma uruguay doang.
di UCL 09/10 tim seminfinalis semuanya pake 4-2-3-1 malah. (CMIIW)
Tim yang juara liga inggris, italy, spanyol semua pake 4-2-3-1.

kenapa juga United masih nahan pake 4-4-2..
mau kayak inggris di piala dunia kemarin nasibnya?
:D:D:D

Oom Panda
05-10-2010, 09:31 AM
Kata siapa United maen 442??? United sering banget maen pake formasi ajaib...
Cuma United yang gw tau pake formasi ini sekarang...
Trend setter kita dengan formasi... 4-6-0... Cuma kita yang pernah maen pake 6 gelandang tanpa ada striker tapi masih tetep ga bisa menang...
Diteken melulu malah....
Intinya sih... Bukan masalah taktik... Tapi masalahnya ada di pemainnya...
Kita terlalu mudah ditekan... Apalagi kalo hars and fast...
Mati udah langsung lini tengah kita...
Kita bakal langsung maen backpass ke defender, pressed lg bakal diterusin ke kiper...
Abis itu??? Tendang jauh ke depan....
Masalahnya kita ga punya Ruudtje lagi yang bisa keeping bola dan powerhouse forward...
Jadi kita gampang keilangan bola.... Akhirnya lini tengah ga jalan..
PLUS... Tidak adanya pemain yg memiliki kreatifitas tingkat tinggi...
Kita udah ga bisa terus berharap dengan kaki pemain berumur 35 tahun..
We need REFRESHMENT....
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wira_ozora
05-10-2010, 10:13 AM
Kata siapa United maen 442??? United sering banget maen pake formasi ajaib...

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Bener Om...4-4-2 MU beda banged sama yang Inggris punya yang kaku n gampang diobok-obok. Sekarang MU emang butuh lini tengah yang tangguh dan kreatif dalam menyerang,juga kuat ketika dipress musuh. Kemaren Bebe cukup bagus lwn Sunderland, Scholes juga lmyan maennya tapi dia udah uzur n ga bisa diandelin terus2an. Mungkin untuk kedepannya Opa SAF harus lebih sering nampilin Obertan,Gibbo,n Bebe biar lini tengah lebih mantap.

fredrian.seven
05-10-2010, 10:49 AM
United saat ini juga nggak punya winger kiri yang bagus. Serangan selalu lewat tengah dan kanan. Saat lawan sunderland keliatan jelas klo sayap kiri ompong mlompong. Awalnya aku pikir ando bakal jadi sayap kiri atau setidaknya maen agak ke kiri, tapi ternyata dia maen di tengah. setidaknya klo ada winger kiri bagus, penguasaan bola united nggak akan berkutat di kanan dan tengah.

Yang jelas makin bingung.. United butuh DM atau AM atau DM yang punya kreatifitas tinggi (tapi sapa ya) atau AM yang juga jago bertahan. ada pertandingan yang United bener2 kalah tengahnya dan butuh DM bagus, tapi ada pertandingan yang serangan united mentok tanpa kreatifitas. atau butuh DM bagus buat bertahan dan winger kiri lincah buat nyerang ya? bingung....

sellamanyaunited
05-10-2010, 03:43 PM
Yang jelas makin bingung.. United butuh DM atau AM atau DM yang punya kreatifitas tinggi (tapi sapa ya) atau AM yang juga jago bertahan. ada pertandingan yang United bener2 kalah tengahnya dan butuh DM bagus, tapi ada pertandingan yang serangan united mentok tanpa kreatifitas. atau butuh DM bagus buat bertahan dan winger kiri lincah buat nyerang ya? bingung....

yang jelas harus cari yg bisa 22nya dah,
kalo gak ada, paling kaga harus cari 2 orang, 1 gelandang kreatif ama gelandang yg bisa membuat united menguasai lini tengaaah.
bener bener beda dah united yg sekarang ama yg musim lalu, padahal pemainnya gak begitu banyak yg berubah tuh dalam segi yang sering tampil :hajar3:

dhodoadrian
05-10-2010, 03:56 PM
hehehe... liat Sunderland Vs United kemaren saya sempet gumam,, "ni United niat menang ga sih??? :sikat: =))

kenapa? ya itulah, lini tengah kayaknya ga ada greget mau nguasai game, cepet hilang bola, kalo dapet bawaannya keeping ball mulu, udah jauh ke depan ehh malah backpass ke kiper, Nani juga sering telat melakukan passing yang seharusnya (menurut saya ya :peace:) dia mesti udah kirim tu bola!

apa nya yang salah ya sebenernya? strategy or players? ~X(

Pure_red
05-10-2010, 03:59 PM
kita butuh 2 paul scholes di lini tengah! biar gak salah passing terus.. :mad: striker sich banyak dan berkualitas semua, tapi kalo gak ada supply dari lini tengah gimana mau tercipta gol? haddeeuuhhh.. :nohope:

sellamanyaunited
05-10-2010, 04:00 PM
berasa dah united mainnya begitu, kena away syndrome kali ya?
kalogak ce[pet2 diilangin dan terus berlanjut dengan permainan musim ini, target juara EPL musim ini kayaknya sulit daaah

fletch ama scholes ditengah, whats wrong with them?
musim lalu perasaan mereka juga dah yg main tapi gak kayak sekarang mainnya, terkesan santai kalo sekarang

FJR7
05-10-2010, 04:32 PM
United sering banget terlalu bergantung sm 1 orang aja,.klo Ronney lg bagus, dia mulu yg disupply bola sedangnkan striker lain ga sesering Rooney dkrim bolanya..skrg Berba gitu juga di supply trus jd target man, pdhal yg laen bs ikutan "nyolong" gol juga kan..:think:

Dr Lini tengah, klo Nani lg bagus bgt nusuk dr sayap Kiri dia mulu yg dikasih bola, mulai dari umpan lambungnya Neville ( O Shea / Rafael ) ngumpan lambung ke Nani di Kiri, trus dr Carrick or Scholes yg ditengah jg ngumpan ke kiri mulu..

klo Valencia (si kopral) maen disisi kanan juga gitu, Evra umpan lambung ke kanan terus, Fletcjer ikutan ngirim ke kanan mulu..

intinya United serangannya ga Variatif kadang sering kebaca lawan :peace:..ini lah yg susah buat United menang :(

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dekepiks
05-10-2010, 05:05 PM
iya nih, belakangan pemain tengahnya di set terlalu deep, mungkin dengan asumsi untuk bantu pemain belakang kalo lagi di serang, tapi konsekuensinya, jadi suka telat naek pemain tengahnya, dan kalo lai serangan balik, cukup ganggu momentum tuh, nunggu pada naek...tapi ini keliatan banget sejak United sering pake 442...duo midfielder kita deep banget posisinya...agak sedikit tertolong mungkin kalo rooney dah perform lagi, soalnya doi kan sedikit rajin turun tuh...dan tetep ada berba di post player...IMHO :nohope:

rondwisan
06-10-2010, 03:27 PM
Midfield Crisis: What Midfield Crisis?
manutd.theoffside.com, Ivor - October 5th, 2010

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When I had already stopped groaning and started drinking, I saw at least one good sign. Anderson place two elbows on either side of Lee Cattermole and moved him out of the way like a human fork-lift truck. Cattermole, forced by a shower of yellow-cum-red cards to curb his inner pit bull, took it like a man before running off and carrying on Brucey’s strategy of having him relentlessly harass Paul Scholes. Truth be told, it worked, it was quite pitiful to behold. I was in a state of shock and am still so.

Darren Fletcher, love him or hate him, clearly knows how to do his job. Normally, he can be counted on to plug the gaps left by John O’Shea and mop up problems like an old-fashioned sweeper. But with Ginger Scholes looking tired from the get-go and a chubby Anderson huffing and puffing, barely able to put together a consecutive tackle and pass, Fletcher ended up running around like a decapitated hen.

Just a bad day? Well, all right, if you say so. Away draws to Fulham, Everton and Sunderland? No problem! A long season ahead? Owen Hargreaves will be back soon and the Gaffer will wave his magic wand and everything will be wonderful again. I think not! Of course, the fanatical loyalists will be frothing at the mouth about who is ‘loyal’ and who isn’t. On the other side are the armageddonists, led by Eamon Dunphy–http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsR8XbldPYg&feature=player_embedded==
who see the end of the world. Somewhere in the middle is me, worried about us finishing below fourth place.

Has Sir Alex Ferguson neglected his team? Well, first and foremost, the Gaffer has the right to believe in the “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!” maxim. We may not have been great last season, but United only ended up a point off a team that’s aging just as much as our own. Look at all those folks still driving 1959 Fords and Chevies in Cuba! Look at A.C. Milan: If they can still trot out Gattuso, Pirlo, Seedorf and Inzhagi, why not play Giggs, Neville and Scholes till they’re all well and truly knackered? As long as we end up in the top four the gravy train will still keep running.

Our beloved Gaffer can go on all he wants about “value for money!” Some of us agree. Some of us are dubious. But we all see his point. We overpaid for Veron, Kleberson, Saha, and Berbatov, but those days are over. Times have changed for the club just as they have with us fans. A lot of information has been published proving that the Old Trafford money men have definitely put many austerity measures in place recently, despite their denial. The Glazers, Gill and the Gaffer keep singing the same song concerning the questions about the £85M received off Real Madrid for Cristiano Ronaldo, but, after Saturday’s humiliation at Sunderland, maybe they really will be thinking realistically about what happens if we don’t finish in the top four.

We will definitely find out the truth in January. Having spent only around £10 million this summer, the cash is either there or not there. Truth be told, with too many players past their prime, a handful of erratic prima donnas and a couple who are simply not good enough to wear the jersey, simply going out and spending vast amounts of dosh is not going to be a simple cure for the problem. If this were true, Manchester City and Chelsea would have already ground the opposition into the dust.

Our problem in midfield has gone from being a small cavity after Roy Keane’s exit into what is now a poisoned abscess. This may sound absurd because we’ve kept winning the silverware, but we owe all that to the motivational genius of Sir Alex Ferguson and the character of so many of his players. The miracle to me is that the club have had so many selfless soldiers in the ranks willing to play out of position. The brave likes of Phil Neville, Darren Fletcher, Smudger Smith, Johnny O’Shea and Anderson have all been more than willing to play anywhere, because, first and foremost, they just want to play–out of position, or not! Still, they’ve often been seen in the heart of our fans’ hearts as being a temporary fix, a sort of human duct tape miraculously gluing the ship together enough for our world-class players to bring home the bacon. Great clubs simply can’t function without those kind of players. Unfortunately, when Ji-Sung Park and Gabriel Obertan were signed, it was thought that they were both multitalented performers with the ability to play both on the wing and in central midfield and able to carry on the tradition of playing wherever needed. Unfortunately, neither one has been up to the physical task of keeping the ball in a very physical premiership. In Park’s case, the lung busting ability he has shown over the past few seasons seems to have decreased since his return from the World Cup and whatever Ferguson’s scouts saw in Obertan has yet to show itself in his few first team performances.

Everything seemed just right when we bought Owen Hargreaves. From the very first time he wore the red shirt, Hargo looked to be everything we needed for at least the next five or six years. Clearly, Ferguson’s decision to wait for his expensive, brilliant purchase to come back from the equivalent of athlete’s hospice, showed a lot about his character, too. After two years, Hargreaves definitely seems to be on the cusp of a comeback and will, doubtless, be very useful. Athletes do make comebacks from terrible injuries these days because of improvements in surgery, but I have yet to hear of anyone coming back successfully from having the kind of double cruciate ligament surgery Hargreaves has undergone and the fact is that we just can’t wait any more.

Much has happened in this short season, most of it disappointing. The good news? Scholes was awesome for the first five games and although Nani has been erratic, he is much improved over last year. With a 36-year-old Giggs clearly not available regularly, Valencia out for the season with a broken leg and Cleverley already out on loan, much was expected of Ji-Sung Park. So far he has been very disappointing. Likewise, Michael Carrick, who once seemed to be a world-class dream of a performer, up there close to Andrea Pirlo, brilliant at filling in the spaces ahead of United’s defense, making exquisite long passes and expertly rotating transitions from defense to counterattack. Yet he now seems to be floating in a depressed stupor. The third biggest disappointment has been a hapless Darron Gibson. Although he owns the valuable ability to shoot accurately from thirty or so yards out, the rest of his game is atrocious. He owns no ability to hold the ball and telegraphs both his tackles and passes. Too slow to even deal with Glasgow Rangers, Ferguson’s gamble on him has proven to be disastrous. On the other hand, although there are a number of problems showing up in Darren Fletcher’s game at the moment, I’m convinced that he’s been simply trying to do too much.

Is there money? As I said, we’ll find out. Pundits like Eamon Dunphy and Barry Glendinning insist the club are flat broke and will not spend. I see it otherwise. If I’m wrong I’m certain that the Gaffer will bring up the likes of Magnus Eikram, Paul Pogba and Will Keane in a desperate throw of the dice. If I’m right, I believe we’ll see the arrival a quality defensive midfielder like Lassana Diarra, Moussa Sissoko, or, if Santa really loves me, Daniele De Rossi. The acquiring of the slick-passing Steven Defour from Standard Liege to relieve Our Ginger seems to be a done deal according to a number of the rumor mills. Whether Defour turns out to be a wonder kid or not, I believe Freebie and the Glazers are bound to slosh the dosh to get Wesley Sneijder next Summer.

If these changes are made, I feel 100% certain that the careers of Carrick, Park, Anderson, Fletcher and even Scholes will be revitalized because the sheer weight of public expectation has been crippling for them so far this season. If Anderson can not lose weight and become really fit, I expect he’ll be playing in another kit like Gibson. And Bebé? Don’t worry about all that propaganda Fleet Sreet is spewing. Sir Alex Ferguson has all kind of reasons to trust Carlos Queiroz. The man knows from Portuguese-speaking personnel. Not to mention, if Queiroz comes back to Old Trafford, which would be lovely , that it will be a very good sign because he will pull a substantial paycheck and that would surely mean that the Glazers are still committed!

unkl_scrooge
06-10-2010, 03:53 PM
sebenernya kualitas midfield united di atas rata2.. cuma klo maen kadang gk nyatu.. dgn valencia cedera dan giggs jg cedera.. komplitlah penderitaan united.. satu aja sih menurut saya.. butuh Ronaldo baru.. alias pemain yg bisa acak2 pertahanan lawan.. (:|