United > England

[Ucup Carrick]

mohon maaf kalau repost...bisa di merged...
ini gua buat berhubung masih geli nginget pool fans ngaitkan penampilan Rooney yang jeblok pas bela Inggris...

"D'ya know what, I've never really backed England in anything, I've gotta be honest. Now, if it was a Republic of Mancunia team.." - Ian Brown ahead of the 2010 World Cup

It's hard to say when the rivalry between Manchester United and England fans started, although it certainly pre-dated United's recent success and, without doubt, has grown more ferocious since 1994 to the point where England fans refuse to honour a minute's silence for those that died at Munich, including 5 England greats.

Whilst the anti-England songs definitely get a more passionate airing against small time clubs, who easily get wound up by them, there's virtually never a game to go by without one chant directed towards the national team.
For many non-Mancunians, it's puzzling as to why such a rivalry exists, especially as more England caps have been given to players from United than any other club. You could write a whole book about the two-way hatred, however the most obvious examples include the whole of Wembley Stadium singing "Stand-Up If You Hate Man U' on regular occasions, despite England's best players being United stars. This song was sang louder than ever when England played at Old Trafford and, worse still, in 2001, when seven reds played in the same England team against Albania. The singing didn't stop even after both Scholesy and Andy Cole scored.

Even those Little Inger-lund-ers who, after booing the opponent's national anthem, worship the likes of Rooney and Beckham when playing in white, are the first to abuse them passionately when they wear the red of United. Beckham even received death threats from England supporters after being sent off against Argentina, whilst United fans stood by him. Likewise, Cristiano Ronaldo, who twice broke English hearts to the delight of non-patriotic reds, received a similar fate.

United fans could never really support the likes of Alan Shearer, Robbie Fowler or Steven Gerrard, whilst Stevie Coppell (Nov'81) and Neil Webb (Sep'89) both had their United careers cut short through injury whilst on national duty. Then of course there was Captain Marvel, Bryan Robson, who seemed to pick up a major injury every time he played for England.
England managers helped give United fans a laugh, Darren Anderton was preferred to David Beckham in the 1998 World Cup, Emile Heskey to Andy Cole and perhaps most amazingly, one of United's greatest ever players, Steve Bruce, never received a single England call up! Maybe that explains why United fans have never really been patrioc, although many people point simply to the Manc attitude, the chip on the shoulder, the cocky Ian Brown / Tim Burgess swagger.

Maybe as a result, European away trips are usually a far cry from those endured by Ing-er-lund's often racist, jingoistic hooligans (often wrapped in their Stoke, Leeds, Millwall, West Ham, Bolton, Stockport or Man City flags). European Cup ties drawing United with German opposition normally receive equally jingoistic headlines from the British tabloid press, without actually reflecting the truth that United fans and those of Bayern, Dortmund and Stuttgart actually get on fine and have shared some fantastic Oktoberfest drinking & singing love-ins prior to previous games.
Chants of 'Argentina!' long preceded Juan Veron's signing, 'We Are Manchester - Not England' flags traveled across Europe with the red army well before 1999, and 'The Republic Of Mancunia' was born many years before a banner in the Stretford End declared so. That famous United fan, Ian Brown, once sang, "There are no lions in England". That's certainly true in the red parts of Manchester!

"Phil and I went straight out to have a look at the Wembley pitch and were greeted by a chorus of 'Stand Up If You Hate Man U'. We've had this abuse before playing for England, but over the last year it's got worse!" - Gary Neville in 1998

"World Champions twice!
World Champions tw-iiice!
Once more than England,
World Champions twice!"

http://www.prideofmanchester.com/sport/mufc-songs-england.htm

[Diego]

United di hatiku, England ke laut ajeeee.........

[devil_dee]

United di hatiku, England ke laut ajeeee.........
Ah massssaaaa?? Klo United di hati, Barca di mana dwonksss?? :D


Bang @Ucup_Carrick nice thread.. Pasti gr2 eneg liat kelakuan pemain pool di match kmrn yah hahahahahaha
Gw udah ilfil buat dukung timnas inggris, satu2nya timnas yg gw dukung Indonesia, klo yg lain buat seseruan aja :))
Males bgt liat kapten timnas inggris, trs itu beknya yg tk jagal beugh jd kangen keano, minta dia patahin kaki si carra..
Trs males kudu liat si walcott, wilshire iihh amit2 yah :))
*msh emosi gw ma mereka*
Pokoe United!! Klo timnas Indonesia!!
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[marsel david]

waah kemaren sempet mantau nih dari twit nya bang ucup..
sekarang ada di forum
Greaaat.!!

[ncut_lgx]

ohh~ kayanya liat dari yang nge-RT di twitter
hmmm.. waduh~ iya juga sih :D
banyak yang masih kesel yah *guwe juga* ama yg kmarenan
*padahal gapernah benci ama liverpool/scousers/merseyside sebelumnya*

stuju ama sist divi,bela timnas aja mendingan XDDD
lagian guwe emang gak support timnas inggris loh baik di worldcup/EURO
*brazil donk brazil!!* tapi kecintaan kepada united ampe ngelebihin timnas
*warga negara yang gak baek* bahkan ngelebihin brazil, wkwkwk..
win lose or draw still ♥ UNITED!! :muflag:

jadi kalo ada statement UNITED > england
I (AGREE)/(DISAGREE)
:x hehe..

[der_emperor]

No Wonder...
jd juara dunia jg tanpa 1 gol pun...
lucu aj klo alesan ngefans england krn ada pemain united disitu...
cukup dukung pemainnya aj gk usah timnya...
empet liat rooney dijadiin kambing hitam pas WC tahun lalu...
padahal midfieldernya aj pelit bgt suply bola k dy, gmn mau scored...

[Ucup Carrick]

Bukan...cuma sinis aja ama fan sini terutama pool yg nganggap united=england ....
Hello...plis deh ah...
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[ferly_Liemz]

hummm buat gw sih United lebih besar dr negara apapun jg kecuali Indonesia...

Gw pun bela negara tertentu saat WC atau euro jg krn seru2an aja,aplg ada pemain Unitednya...

Krn buat gw sudah beda lah konteksnya antara negara dengan klub... Tapi bila menghujat pemain united saat berbaju timnas, nah itu lain lagi masalahnya..

Krn mw dia pake baju apa jg,selama dia pemain United,maka akan lebih bijak jika tidak menghujatnya..

Tapi ini pendapat pribadi nubi yg sok tau sih :-)

No offense buat siapapun juga :-)
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[Ucup Carrick]

makanya...di twit akhir gw bikin kesimpulan...
kalo mau dukung timnas...jangan liat darimana pemain itu berasal...
dukunglah sebagai prajurit negara...

ibarat pendukung the jak misalnya...
kalo timnas disana ada pemain persib...ya didukung sebagai pemain timnas...
kalo gak jangan salahkan ada separatis nanti....
gitu kira2....

[ncut_lgx]

setujulah ama semuanya :D no offense no hard feeling emang
beda konteks donk kalo pemaen suatu klub lagi on duty bela timnas
tega banget yang bilang UNITED = england
ntar persija = indonesia :)) gaswat >w<

guwe sih nonton timnas yang ada pemaen UNITED cuma buat isenk-isenk aja..kalo ngedukung mah tetep brazil, ekekekek~ mau jelek mau bagus gak usah dicela-lah~ kasian amat udah susye susye berjuang,dibilang jelek,kalah,masih dicela pula ;))

hummm buat gw sih United lebih besar dr negara apapun jg kecuali Indonesia...

Gw pun bela negara tertentu saat WC atau euro jg krn seru2an aja,aplg ada pemain Unitednya...

Krn buat gw sudah beda lah konteksnya antara negara dengan klub... Tapi bila menghujat pemain united saat berbaju timnas, nah itu lain lagi masalahnya..

Krn mw dia pake baju apa jg,selama dia pemain United,maka akan lebih bijak jika tidak menghujatnya..

Tapi ini pendapat pribadi nubi yg sok tau sih :-)

No offense buat siapapun juga :-)
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masi mending pendapat nubie
nah guwe mah pendapat cewe labil :P

makanya...di twit akhir gw bikin kesimpulan...
kalo mau dukung timnas...jangan liat darimana pemain itu berasal...
dukunglah sebagai prajurit negara...

ibarat pendukung the jak misalnya...
kalo timnas disana ada pemain persib...ya didukung sebagai pemain timnas...
kalo gak jangan salahkan ada separatis nanti....
gitu kira2....

setuju boss! :-bd
fansnya pool mah diajak santai ajalah~

[Ucup Carrick]

waktu fan pool nyanyi...gua tereak sendirian...
"Twenty One...F*** All"
plus plesetan chant YNWA...

when the match is over....we kept friendly and cheers....coz' we're indonesian too....
panas cuma di match...

[ncut_lgx]

waktu fan pool nyanyi...gua tereak sendirian...
"Twenty One...F*** All"
plus plesetan chant YNWA...

when the match is over....we kept friendly and cheers....coz' we're indonesian too....
panas cuma di match...

waw! nah itu baru sportif, hehe..
baguslah kalau demikian bang :D

btw enak donk riau,kamren pas di depok pudliannya norak
kita kan biasanya juga adu chant aja kalo nonbar
*united mau kalah mau menang gak pernah PvP lahyau*
ehhh~ mereka tiba-tiba ngasih "jari tengah" ke kita-kita
waitss >w< dibales ama chant "we'll never die" ampe pudlian depok pulang semua.. tapi mereka aneh sih,ngechant juga cuma 1x 2x aje, huh! hampir wakorda ngamuk,tapi untung bisa ditahan kk-kk UIpusat

[Ucup Carrick]

yoi...kadang fan2 ababil kayak gitu masih ada dimana-mana...
well...
santai aja deh.. :D

[Ozzie Manchunian]

waw! nah itu baru sportif, hehe..
baguslah kalau demikian bang :D

btw enak donk riau,kamren pas di depok pudliannya norak
kita kan biasanya juga adu chant aja kalo nonbar
*united mau kalah mau menang gak pernah PvP lahyau*
ehhh~ mereka tiba-tiba ngasih "jari tengah" ke kita-kita
waitss >w< dibales ama chant "we'll never die" ampe pudlian depok pulang semua.. tapi mereka aneh sih,ngechant juga cuma 1x 2x aje, huh! hampir wakorda ngamuk,tapi untung bisa ditahan kk-kk UIpusat

sayang ngamuknya wakorda gk kesampaian. kalo jadi ngamuk sih gw ngikut. :mudance:

[Ucup Carrick]

artikel dari republik of mancunia

http://therepublikofmancunia.com/england-fans-cant-be-trusted-united-england/

England Fans Can’t Be Trusted… United > England
January 16, 2008 6 Comments

Busby BabesFebruary 6th marks the 50th Anniversary of the Munich Air disaster, where eight Manchester United players lost their lives on their return from a European Cup quarter final. Sick fans of rival clubs sing about the disaster when visiting Old Trafford and make aeroplane wings out of their arms.

United will commemorating the tragedy on derby day, with the February 10th game falling closest to the anniversary date. The City fans who are attending have been written a let from Sven reminding them that one of their former players, Frank Swift, was amongst the people who lost their lives that day, in a bid to stop the sick songs. To prevent the occasion from being spoilt, there have been suggestions of holding a one minute’s applause before kick off, instead of a more appropriate minutes silence, to drown out the possible vicious chants coming from the away end.

England are playing on February 6th and there had been talk of tribute to the Busby Babes being held. However, the FA have today announced that there will not be a minutes silence before the game, for fear England fans can’t be trusted to respect the occasion. It wasn’t long ago that a Wembley crowds watching an England team, which boasted the likes of David Beckham, Paul Scholes, Gary Neville, Nicky Butt, Phil Neville and the like regularly sang “stand up if you hate Man U.” United fans are no strangers to singing anti-England songs either and last season hung a ‘United > England’ banner from the Stretford End. The fact the England national team and fans won’t be honouring our tragedy is not a real disappointment, however, it questions the state of English football fans if they cannot be trusted to behave appropriately on this day. Twenty three innocent people died in the Munich Air Disaster and I find it astonishing that there is even any doubt that people going to watch a football game can’t be relied upon not to mock those that lost their lives.

Instead of properly honouring those United players, pioneers for England in European football, Wembley will instead displays pictures of the Babes and the players will wear black armbands.

“You can stick your ****in England up your arse!”

[Ucup Carrick]

WHY MANCHESTER UNITED FANS DO NOT SUPPORT ENGLAND

http://www.prideofmanchester.com/sport/photos/mufc-becksengland.jpg

1 England fans barrack the United players, especially the country's best player, David Beckham.

2 England fans are largely made up of supporters of London clubs, especially West Ham, Chelsea, Millwall and Gillingham. They also have considerable support from the Yorkshire clubs of Leeds and Barnsley etc., or clubs who have no chance of qualifying for European competition themselves (ie, Manchester City,Bolton Wanderers, and Stockport County)

3 Travelling over Europe following United, fans are often subjected to police hostility. Arriving with an "England" reputation which is so far removed from the 'partying Reds Abroad' behaviour displayed.

4 England team selections have often been dubious from a Manchester United point-of-view. Eg, Steve Bruce never played a single game for England!!! (Yes, that's true!) And how could Hoddle leave Beckham out of the first two games of the World Cup '98 in favour of Darren Anderton?!! How is Heskey ahead of Cole in the selection stakes? United's squad consists of mainly young English players, however England managers continue to select players from worse-performing clubs.

5 England games are always held at Wembley (London's sh*t-hole!)

6 England have a large Combat 18/National Front/facist following where as United are probably the most multi-culture supported club in Britain!

7 Everybody knows that Alan Shearer was the sacred cow of the England team regardless of form - and we all know about his relationship with Manchester United

8 Steve Coppell's playing days were ended by an injury whilst playing for England (Nov'81). Neil Webb suffered the same fate (Sep'89) and Bryan Robson also suffered serious injuries whilst wearing the national shirt

9 United fans have a brilliant relationship with the Germans (who remembers Euro'96 when the bomb went off? Dortmund? the 7,000 reds at the Munich Oktoberfest? and of course the partying in Barcelona?)

10 Eveybody hates United - it winds them up even more when United fans chant "Argentina" or sing "City are better than England!", "Who Made England Cry", "England are sh*t!" and "Stick you f'n England up your a*se!" (Especially to the cockney clubs!)

http://www.prideofmanchester.com/sport/mufc-euro2000.htm

[Ucup Carrick]

kembali capello menunjukkan kedodolannya...
geser Rio dari kapten timnas Inggris...
yeah nevermind lah..

UNITED > ENGLAND

[Redsbusby]

Hmmm...
Nice thread, ada yg dipake nih kalo ada yg nanyain kenapa United > England.. meskipun saya fans England karena timnya, bukan personal :P

Glory2 Man United..
Go three lions..
Go Germany ...

[neoradtz]

Hmmm...
Nice thread, ada yg dipake nih kalo ada yg nanyain kenapa United > England.. meskipun saya fans England karena timnya, bukan personal :P

Glory2 Man United..
Go three lions..
Go Germany ...

Eh ada agung :D
Saya juga fans Three Lions.. Sebelum suka United saya udah suka England duluan, dari kecil malahan.. Dan sama juga brader saya suka karena timnya bukan karena personal..
Tapi kalau ada kekacauan semesta yang mengakibatkan pertandingan United vs England saya sih dukung United.. :malu:

tapi kalo soal Germany kita bersebrangan :)

:beer:

PS: Buat gw pribadi sih lucu juga ngeliat orang2 yang saling bantai antar klub tiba2 berkoalisi jadi satu.. Waktu dulu Rooney cedera menjelang world cup waktu lawan Chelsea, siapa yang mukanya keliatan stress di lapangan?.. Lampard ama Terry :)) lucu aja liatnya

[dancoloveunited]

gw england die hard... support kapanpun mereka main, beli jerseynya, koleksi video2nya, orgasme saat mereka menang, depresi saat mereka kalah...

BUT IT 'HAS BEEN'


since 2009, I can easily say: fvck england, such a big regret to have supported them...

#UNITED > england

[irfan_mancunianred]

gw england die hard... support kapanpun mereka main, beli jerseynya, koleksi video2nya, orgasme saat mereka menang, depresi saat mereka kalah...

BUT IT 'HAS BEEN'

#UNITED > england

sampe owen yg ketika itu dewa nya anfield pun lo gila-gilai yah danceu :hajar2:..
hahaha,..sama nih sejarah gw sama dani,..sampe balik badan jadi anti inggris nya pun bareng...
jadi inget bigmatch wolrd cup Inggris vs germany,..sebagian anak2 UICD nonbar di burgrill dan ngedukung Germany sambil nge-chant : “He Plays on the Left, He Plays on the Riiight, that Boy Ronaldo Made England Look Sh*te” ... otomatis para ABU berjersey chelsea font Lampard dan berjersey Pool font "gerrard" jadi bingung dan mencibir, mungkin dlm hati mereka "koq gak dukung inggris?"..wkwkwkwk

UNITED > england
jelas bgt,..mau dibawa kmana-mana juga udah ketahuan segala hal United lebih besar dari england... dan timnas inggris cuma jadi alat bagi ABU buat jadi kambing hitamin pemain united disetiap kegagalan Inggris...

poor england!

[Blacklist7]

saya tobat deh pake jersey England... hehehehe... stooop... hehehehe

[theater of dream]

sebenar nya trit lebih cocok nya buat fan united yang orang inggris...
Kalo kita dukung timnas negara lain paling cuma buat seru2an ato ngedukung pemain united disana..
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[MUFC1878]

dah pensiun jd fans timnas inggris.. semua jersi inggris gw juga dah pd dijualin :peace:

[Ucup Carrick]

fans arsenal juga setahu gua masa bodoh ama yang namanya England National Football Team...

wajar juga sih lha wong pemain timnas Inggris akhir2 ini jarang dari sono...

tapi kenalan gw yang fans arsenal merasa juga risih kalo pemain dia satu tim ama pemain rival...

sama kayak kita kalo liat rooney dan gerrard satu tim gitu kira2...

[Redsbusby]

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PICTURE: United > England 1966

June 19, 2011 5 Comments
ROM

This newspaper clipping, taken from March 1966, shows the opinion of referee Concetto Lo Bello that Manchester United were better than the International team, who went on to win the World Cup a few months later.

Concetto Lo Bello was an Italian referee who holds the record for taking charge of the most Serie A games. His career lasted 30 years and throughout the 1960s he was regarded as one of the world’s finest referees.

Two years after making these comments about United he refereed the European Cup final between us and Benfica at Wembley.

[rio vander vidic]

sebagai seorang newbie yang lagi serius baca UNITED > ENGLAND,

gue langsung ngakak begitu ngeliat signature nya Oom danco:

YOU'LL NEVER WALK AGAIN =))=))=))=))=))

-hidup lini belakang

-hidup riovandervidic

-jangan lupakan raymond van der gouw dan yang pastinya taibi wahahahaha:P:P:P

[Ridwanox]

United di hatiku, England ke laut ajeeee.........

wkananana tanpa negara club ga akan bisa berjaya