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Zulfan
22-04-2014, 04:15 PM
Manchester - Kebersamaan David Moyes dengan Manchester United tak sampai semusim. Manajemen The Red Devils secara resmi telah memberhentikan mantan manajer Everton itu.

"Manchester United dengan ini mengumumkan David Moyes telah meninggalkan klub. Pihak klub berterimakasih atas kerja keras yang telah dilakukan, kejujuran dan integritas yang dia bawa ke klub ini," demikian pernyataan The Red Devils melalui situs resminya, Selasa (22/4/2014) siang WIB.

Keputusan pemecatan Moyes diambil setelah Wayne Rooney dkk. menelan kekalahan atas Everton di akhir pekan lalu. Pria asal Skotlandia itu mulai melatih MU di awal musim ini, menggantikan Sir Alex Ferguson yang memutuskan pensiun.(din/a2s)

http://sport.detik.com/sepakbola/read/2014/04/22/144602/2561985/72/mu-pecat-moyes?b99220170

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22/04/2014 08:30, Report by Communications Department
David Moyes leaves United

Manchester United has announced that David Moyes has left the Club.

The Club would like to place on record its thanks for the hard work, honesty and integrity he brought to the role.

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2014/Apr/club-statement-on-david-moyes.aspx

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@RedMancunian
[Staff] @ManUtd have reportedly also parted company with coaches Steve Round & Jimmy Lumsden along with David Moyes.

troy andreas
22-04-2014, 04:26 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlzzL0IIAAAGdkn.jpg

Kita lanjut bahas disini yah.

fredrian.seven
22-04-2014, 04:28 PM
Wah... TS-nya thread sebelah blom sempet posting.

tukang-las
22-04-2014, 04:30 PM
hooh...TS sebelah kali aja pengen posting sepatah-dua patah kata :D

Gustiono
22-04-2014, 04:30 PM
Yup di www.manutd.com (http://www.manutd.com) pun hal yang sama disampaikan.
Ini "leaves" loh.. bukan "fired" :D

fey777
22-04-2014, 04:31 PM
Pernyataan di web resmi

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2014/Apr/club-statement-on-david-moyes.aspx

http://s17.postimg.org/6refxx1y7/moyes.png

fredrian.seven
22-04-2014, 04:37 PM
Emang Round sama Lumsden resmi berhenti juga?

tumpal_oneunited
22-04-2014, 04:39 PM
Thanx David Moyes for all you've done in Manchester United.

Mungkin ini yang terbaik buat United dan buat Moyes sendiri.
Terima kasih buat raihan yang sudah dicapai dalam 10 bulan ini. Terima kasih sudah pernah menjadi bagian sejarahnya Manchester United.

Glory..Glory..Manchester United..!! :muscarf:

adhe united macz
22-04-2014, 04:39 PM
Pernyataan di web resmi

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2014/Apr/club-statement-on-david-moyes.aspx

http://s17.postimg.org/6refxx1y7/moyes.png

Sayang juga sih,padahal masih ada beberapa pertandingan lagi yang harus david moyes selesaikan

ekomasihoke
22-04-2014, 04:42 PM
Haauuuuuffffftttttt

zudomiriku
22-04-2014, 04:44 PM
David Moyes SACKED! Chief Woodward delivers news to failed Man United boss in early morning Carrington meeting with Ryan Giggs to take charge until end of season

* Moyes thanked Carrington staff after learning his fate
* Chief executive Ed Woodward delivered news to Moyes face-to-face
* Club thanks Moyes for 'hard work, honesty and integrity'
* Glazer family lost patience after dismal season at home and abroad
* Final straw came in Sunday's miserable 2-0 defeat at old club Everton
* United are seventh in Premier League, 13 points off fourth place
* Holland coach Van Gaal lined up as replacement
* Ryan Giggs installed as interim manager

David Moyes has been sacked by Manchester United with immediate effect.

Chief executive Ed Woodward arrived at Carrington at 8am on Tuesday morning to inform the Scot face-to-face of the news.

Moyes had already been informed of his fate and thanked club staff at the training complex in anticipation of his departure. The players were not present at the time.

A tweet on the club's official Twitter account read: 'BREAKING: Manchester United announces that David Moyes has left the club. The club would like to place on record its thanks for the hard work, honesty and integrity he brought to the role.'

Ryan Giggs will take temporary charge for the rest of the season as interim manager.

It emerged on Monday that United's owners, the Glazer family, had lost patience with Moyes after a dismal season that has seen the reigning Barclays Premier League champions slump to seventh in the table.

The final straw was Sunday's 2-0 defeat at Everton, their 11th in the Barclays Premier League this season, and a result that left the title holders 13 points off the Champions League places.

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Confirmation: Manchester United released a short statement on Twitter

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Arrival: Ryan Giggs, who will take temporary charge until the end of the season, arrives at Carrington on Tuesday morning

United are confident of landing Holland coach Louis van Gaal as his replacement once they have tied up details of the manager's severance package.

The Barclays Premier League champions have already made contact with the Dutchman and he wants to join United after the World Cup.

Moyes has been sacked having not even completed one year of a six-year contract and will receive a hefty compensation package.

The Scot, on a day off on Monday, is understood to have been hurt and angry after learning of his fate on newspaper websites.

Despite the expensive signings of Marouane Fellaini last summer and Juan Mata in January, United have failed to keep pace with their rivals and mount any kind of title challenge.

Moyes, who moved from Everton last summer to replace Sir Alex Ferguson, has also overseen failure in the cup competitions.

United were eliminated by Swansea City in the third round of the FA Cup, by Sunderland in the semi-finals of the Capital One Cup and by Bayern Munich in the quarter-finals of the Champions League.

Taking all competitions into account, United have won 27 of 51 matches during the Moyes tenure, drawing nine and losing 15.

Pressure mounted further on the embattled manager following a lacklustre showing at Goodison Park, in which United transfer target Leighton Baines and Kevin Mirallas scored the goals.

Moyes bizarrely claimed that his team had played well after they lost 2-0 at Everton despite one of the most lame performances of his reign.

Many United fans saw the performance as a tipping point and the increasing number who were calling for him to go have got their wish.

Afterwards, Moyes — who was taunted by a man dressed as the Grim Reaper in the crowd — claimed he was happy with the display.

He said: ‘We played well in the first half but conceded two on the counter-attack. We didn’t deserve to be 2-0 down. We had good control of the game and possession of the ball. We didn’t defend well for the goals, though. That was right rotten.’

Moyes’s verdict raised eyebrows in the Sky Sports studio.

‘That’s the worst I’ve seen from them over 90 minutes,’ said pundit and Sportsmail columnist Jamie Carragher.

‘Nobody seems to know what’s going on, on the pitch or in the dugout. You can’t see what the plan is. When I played it was total dominance from Manchester United. I’m looking at this team and wondering why they didn’t play like that when I was playing.’

Moyes was even criticised on the club's in-house TV channel when pundit David May said he was 'out of his depth' before being hushed up by the presenter.

TIMELINE OF MOYES'S TENURE AT OLD TRAFFORD

September 1 - United suffer first defeat under Moyes as Daniel Sturridge gives Liverpool victory at Anfield. Wayne Rooney misses the game with a nasty head wound after being kicked in the head accidentally by Phil Jones in training.
September 22 - Hammered 4-1 at Manchester City. This time Robin van Persie is absent with a thigh injury.
September 28 - United lose 2-1 at home to West Brom, ending the Baggies' 35-year wait for an Old Trafford triumph.
October 19 - Concede last-minute Adam Lallana equaliser against Southampton at Old Trafford.
December 4 - Bryan Oviedo scores four minutes from time as Moyes' former club Everton end their 21-year wait for an away win over United.
December 6 - Rio Ferdinand criticises Moyes' policy of leaving it late to pick his teams, claiming on BT Sport: "It turns you into a madman."
December 7 - Yohan Cabaye gets the only goal as Newcastle win at Old Trafford for the first time since 1972.
December 10 - Van Persie suffers thigh injury taking a corner against Shakhtar Donetsk, and is ruled out for seven weeks.
January 1 - Rooney plays in the defeat by Tottenham but is then ruled out for four weeks with a groin injury.
January 5 - Swansea win at Old Trafford for the first time as Wilfried Bony's late goal sends United out of the FA Cup at the third-round stage for only the second time in 30 years.
January 7 - Defeat in Capital One Cup semi-final first leg at Sunderland means a third straight loss for the first time since May 2001.
January 19 - Skipper Nemanja Vidic is sent off as United crash to defeat at Chelsea.
January 22 - United beat Sunderland 2-1 in the Capital One Cup semi-final return leg thanks to Javier Hernandez's last-gasp effort in extra-time but come off worst in an awful penalty shoot-out, with only Darren Fletcher scoring from their five kicks.
February 1 - Stoke end their long wait for a win against United. Charlie Adam's double gives them their first since 1984.
February 7 - Vidic confirms he will leave at the end of the season.
February 9 - United come from behind to lead bottom side Fulham at Old Trafford, but Darren Bent's stoppage-time equaliser settles a 2-2 draw to deny the hosts all three points. Moyes describes the result as being "as bad as it gets".
February 25 - It proves gruesome in Greece for United in the Champions League last 16 as a poor performance sees the Red Devils beaten 2-0 by Olympiacos in Piraeus.
March 16 - Another day United will want to forget in a hurry as two Steven Gerrard penalties and a Luis Suarez strike earns Liverpool a crushing 3-0 win at Old Trafford. It could have been even worse for Moyes' men as Gerrard also hit the post with another penalty.
March 25 - United lose 3-0 to bitter rivals for the second consecutive home league game as a brace from Edin Dzeko and a late strike from Yaya Toure hands Manchester City a derby double over their city rivals. The result ensured United were guaranteed to end the season with their lowest points total in Premier League history.
April 9 - Despite an encouraging 1-1 draw in the first leg and taking the lead through Patrice Evra, the Red Devils go down 3-1 to defending champions Bayern Munich in the second leg of their Champions League quarter-final at the Allianz Arena.
April 20 - Moyes' return to Goodison Park is turned into a nightmare as a Leighton Baines penalty and a goal from Kevin Mirallas hand Everton a 2-0 win, a result which means United cannot qualify for the Champions League.
April 22 - Moyes is sacked by United.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2609490/David-Moyes-sacked-Manchester-United-manager-gone-immediate-effect-Glazer-family-lose-patience.html

troy andreas
22-04-2014, 04:44 PM
Yup di www.manutd.com (http://www.manutd.com) pun hal yang sama disampaikan.
Ini "leaves" loh.. bukan "fired" :D

Pernyataan di web resmi

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2014/Apr/club-statement-on-david-moyes.aspx

http://s17.postimg.org/6refxx1y7/moyes.png

"Pencitraan" kali yah, pake kata leave. Bisa jadi Moyes mengundurkan diri juga kan? :ngacir:

Tadi sempat keliling browsing & baca kalo awak media mendapati Moyes sudah ada di Carrington sejak pukul 5 subuh, diikuti stafnya beberapa jam kemudian & Ed Woodward pukul 8 pagi waktu Inggris, kemudian jadilah seperti sekarang.

troy andreas
22-04-2014, 04:48 PM
Emang Round sama Lumsden resmi berhenti juga?

Baru sekedar berita dari media, yang paling santer beritain dari BBC, belum ada konfirmasi di manutd tapi kayanya memang akan seperti itu.

Zulfan
22-04-2014, 04:54 PM
Bola.net - David Moyes memang baru saja resmi dipecat oleh Manchester United akibat musim buruk yang ia berikan pada klub, namun ia tidak akan pergi dengan tangan kosong. Menurut laporan dari banyak media di Inggris, yang kemudian disimpulkan oleh Metro , eks bos Everton itu bakal mendapat 5 juta poundsterling sebagai bagian dari kompensasi pemutusan kontraknya yang sejatinya berdurasi enam tahun.
Jumlah tersebut sebenarnya tidak terlalu besar, apabila dibandingkan dengan sisa kontraknya. Pasalnya, disebutkan bahwa United memiliki klausul khusus yang bisa membuat mereka menyingkirkan manajer asal Skotlandia itu - hanya dengan membayar gaji senilai satu musim.
Dari situlah didapatkan angka 5 juta poundsterling dan disebutkan bahwa Moyes sudah mengetahui nasibnya ini semenjak bulan Februari, ketika banyak pihak mulai meragukan masa depannya di Old Trafford.
Manajer asal Belanda, Louis Van Gaal disebut bakal segera ditunjuk untuk menggantikan Moyes, namun untuk sementara ini tampuk kepemimpinan bakal diserahkan pada Ryan Giggs sebagai caretaker. (met/rer)

fredrian.seven
22-04-2014, 04:55 PM
Baru sekedar berita dari media, yang paling santer beritain dari BBC, belum ada konfirmasi di manutd tapi kayanya memang akan seperti itu.

Bagian "coaching staff" di manutd.com lagi di-edit. Nggak bisa di-klik :P

tumpal_oneunited
22-04-2014, 05:16 PM
Bagian "coaching staff" di manutd.com lagi di-edit. Nggak bisa di-klik :P

Ho oh...kaga bisa diklik Om Ded.. :))
Pertanda... :D

theater of dream
22-04-2014, 05:26 PM
Welcome to modern football :hammer:

Sent from my Nokia 3310 using Tapatalk 3

tukang-las
22-04-2014, 05:26 PM
katanya supaya glazer bayar kompensasinya dikit, mereka emang nunggu kepastian klo United ga bakal bisa masuk posisi 4..

bener2 dah...#LUHG (http://www.unitedindonesia.org/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=LUHG)

fey777
22-04-2014, 05:28 PM
Giggs to take temporary charge

Following the departure of David Moyes as manager, Manchester United has announced that Ryan Giggs, the club’s most decorated player, will assume responsibility for the first team until a permanent appointment can be made.

via manutd.com
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2014/Apr/ryan-giggs-to-assume-first-team-responsibilities.aspx?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=ManUtd

Bloody "Devil" R3d
22-04-2014, 05:29 PM
Need a miracle, really we do need a miracle for the next season.

#thanksmoyes (http://www.unitedindonesia.org/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=thanksmoyes) #poormoyes (http://www.unitedindonesia.org/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=poormoyes) #welcomemodernfootball (http://www.unitedindonesia.org/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=welcomemodernfootball)

zudomiriku
22-04-2014, 05:46 PM
Giggs to take temporary charge

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w257/bu7che/album%20gw/album%20gw001/032519DDBE7F43B1AD1E214ECFEAE44D_zpse586300b.jpg (http://s178.photobucket.com/user/bu7che/media/album%20gw/album%20gw001/032519DDBE7F43B1AD1E214ECFEAE44D_zpse586300b.jpg.h tml)

Following the departure of David Moyes as manager, Manchester United has announced that Ryan Giggs, the club’s most decorated player, will assume responsibility for the first team until a permanent appointment can be made.

The club will make no further comment on this process until it is concluded.

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2014/Apr/ryan-giggs-to-assume-first-team-responsibilities.aspx?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=ManUtd

atticus.finch
22-04-2014, 05:47 PM
BGM nya :
xBlQZyTF_LY


Hear Hear!

Akhirnya, moga2 sir ryan giggs bisa menjalankan mandat dengan baik membimbing setan-setan yang kehilangan arah ini kembali ke jalan yang benar.

eyeofday
22-04-2014, 05:51 PM
sumpah ini berita lebih buruk dan lebih mengkhawatirkan daripada berita Opa pensiun tahun lalu
kita udah ga ada beda sama klub lain, musim2 depan makin ga ada harapan
klo ada duit pengen dah ke Manchester demo 'kembalikan kami jd klub sepakbola, bukan lahan bisnis!!'

zudomiriku
22-04-2014, 05:58 PM
David Moyes: Manchester United manager sacked by club

Manchester United manager David Moyes has been sacked, only 10 months after succeeding Sir Alex Ferguson.

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He was dismissed at a meeting with executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward at the club's Carrington training ground shortly after 0800 BST.

Moyes, 50, was chosen by Ferguson as the man to succeed him when he retired after 26 years in charge last summer.

United said player-coach Ryan Giggs will take charge "until a permanent appointment can be made".

His first match as interim boss will be the home game against Norwich on Saturday.

The BBC understands coaches Steve Round and Jimmy Lumsden have also left their posts, but goalkeeping coach Chris Woods and first team coach Phil Neville will remain with the club for the rest of the season.

United had refused to comment on national newspaper reports on Monday that Moyes - who left Everton to sign a six-year deal with the Premier League champions - would be dismissed before the end of the season.

But in a statement on Tuesday the club said it "would like to place on record its thanks for the hard work, honesty and integrity he brought to the role".

Netherlands coach Louis Van Gaal, Borussia Dortmund boss Jurgen Klopp, Atletico Madrid's manager Diego Simeone and Paris St-Germain's Laurent Blanc have already been tipped as possible successors to Moyes.

United, who lie seventh in the table with four games remaining, are guaranteed to record their lowest points tally in the Premier League having struggled at Old Trafford in particular this season.

Under Moyes, they have lost six league games at home, been beaten in the FA Cup by Swansea at Old Trafford and were unable to prevent Sunderland knocking them out of the Capital One Cup in the semi-finals.

In March, some supporters chartered a plane to fly overhead during their Premier League game against Aston Villa trailing a banner with the words "Wrong One - Moyes Out" - a reference to the banner at Old Trafford that proclaimed Moyes to be the "Chosen One".

The Reds will miss out on Champions League football for the first time since 1995 and are in danger of missing out on European competition altogether for the first time since 1990.

United did reach the last eight of the Champions League before being knocked out by Bayern Munich and Moyes argued that their best displays had been in the competition.

But the Scot has been dogged by claims he has fallen out with members of his squad.

When midfielder Anderson joined Fiorentina on loan in January, he was quoted as saying other United players "wanted out" although he later denied it.

Rio Ferdinand and Robin van Persie also made less than complimentary comments about his management style, while Javier Hernandez and Wilfried Zaha posted cryptic quotes on Twitter.

At the weekend, Manchester-born striker Danny Welbeck was reported to be considering his future after becoming frustrated at regularly being played out of his favoured position.

Moyes left Everton after 11 seasons saying he could not turn down the opportunity to move to Old Trafford and began his job on 1 July.

However, United endured a difficult summer transfer window and failed in reported bids for Barcelona's Thiago Alcantara and Cesc Fabregas.

A double bid for Marouane Fellaini and Leighton Baines was dismissed as "derisory and insulting" by Moyes's old club Everton, although Fellaini finally joined on transfer deadline day for £27.5m.

Moyes was unhappy United were given a difficult start to the season, playing Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester City in their first five games.

"I find it hard to believe that's the way the balls came out of the bag, that's for sure," he said.

But his reign began in style with a 2-0 victory over Wigan Athletic in the Community Shield at Wembley, followed by a 4-1 win away at Swansea City in the first league game of the season.

However, things quickly got worse with defeats at Liverpool and Manchester City, setting the tone for what would become United's worst Premier League season.

With the exception of the additional 21 games Matt Busby (manager from 1945-1969) had in charge as emergency manager following Wilf McGuinness's exit in 1970, and the 22 games when Jimmy Murphy stood in for Busby after the Munich air crash, Moyes's reign represents the third shortest in United history.

It is also the first time since 6 November 1986 that Manchester United have sacked a manager.

The Scot's 49 games in charge exceeds only the 43 matches Walter Crickmer presided over during the first of his two spells as manager, while Lal Hilditch was in charge for the shortest time, lasting just 33 games between October 1926 and April 1927.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/27107795

troy andreas
22-04-2014, 06:19 PM
sumpah ini berita lebih buruk dan lebih mengkhawatirkan daripada berita Opa pensiun tahun lalu
kita udah ga ada beda sama klub lain, musim2 depan makin ga ada harapan
klo ada duit pengen dah ke Manchester demo 'kembalikan kami jd klub sepakbola, bukan lahan bisnis!!'

Senada dengan bro, ada komentar dari Gary Neville:

Soccer-Moyes sacking showed a lack of decency, says Neville,

(Reuters) - Manchester United's players lost confidence and belief under David Moyes and played poor football but the manager's sacking on Tuesday showed a "lack of decency", according to former United defender Gary Neville.

"I believe in managers being given time, I think they should be allowed to complete the work. The idea of giving people three and four and six year contracts and then getting rid of them after 10 months is something that is foreign to me," Neville told Sky Sports.

"However there is no disguising that the football this season has been poor, the results have been poor. As a fan, I've not enjoyed watching it. I'm sure David Moyes himself hasn't enjoyed watching it."

Neville made over 400 appearances for United in a trophy-laden career under previous boss Alex Ferguson and said the managerial landscape has changed completely from his early days in the game.

"It's a different world to what it was in the 1980s when (former managers Dave) Sexton, (Ron) Atkinson and Sir Alex Ferguson were given time for their difficult moments," he said.

"That's just not going to happen any more. It's something that I don't like about the modern game, the fact that managers get sacked every 12 months.

"I genuinely believe there is a lack of decency now in the way in which football managers get dealt with. They are so much in the firing line.

"You accept it's a pressurised job and they get well paid for it...football managers now get tossed around and chucked about, disregarded, rubbished. Decent men, good men basically just get thrown away and chucked in the bin.

"We used to ridicule Italy and other countries for sacking managers every 10 minutes and now we've actually turned into that."

Neville, part of the England coaching set up, said that the current crop of United players, most of whom helped the club to the Premier League title last season, should shoulder their share of the blame for this season's slump.

"The players have to take massive responsibility," he said.

"They are the ones out on the football pitch. I never once in my 18-year career at United turned around after the game and thought 'you lost us that game, boss'. It's always the players.

"Players have to take responsibility and accountability in football.

"Those players are not as bad either as they've been showing. I've played with a lot of those players, they love the club and are desperate to do well for the club but they've just completely lost confidence and belief. That's ultimately what's cost David Moyes.

"The decline has been surprising to say the least." (Writing by Mitch Phillips. Editing by Patrick Johnston)

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/04/22/soccer-england-united-neville-idUKL3N0NE28S20140422?rpc=401&feedType=RSS&feedName=governmentFilingsNews

Lepas dari hal itu, yah selamat datang di persepak-bolaan modern.

theater of dream
22-04-2014, 06:52 PM
Komentar Gary cukup emosional dan berapi2..
Tapi ya itu fakta nya, kasih kontrak 6 tahun trus pecat setelah bekerja 10 bln...
Money talk

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Blacklist7
22-04-2014, 06:55 PM
Thread #MoyesOut (http://www.unitedindonesia.org/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=MoyesOut) nya di delete dulu lah.. udah move on kan? masa belum.. katanya #MoyesOut (http://www.unitedindonesia.org/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=MoyesOut) ? kan udah diaminin Glazer ? :)) :hiu:

Victory
22-04-2014, 06:55 PM
Official

Manchester is Blue right now...

mmm...maksud gw, Chelsea FC cabang Manchester baru saja dibuka...

Welcome... =D>

Kalo Moyes yg ga punya track record bagus aja habis dalam waktu kurang dari satu musim. Gimana dg top manager penggantinya? musim depan, sang pengganti sptnya harus langsung bs title contender, kalo cuma incer 4th mala jadi Arsenal cabang Manchester :usul: atau kalau sampe bulan Desember ga bisa nyentuh 4 besar, mala jadi Moyes jilid II \m/

Beban yang sudah besar, makin besar, dan semakin besar...

penk22_
22-04-2014, 07:45 PM
Kado buruk buat Moyes yang akan merayakan ulang tahunnya 3 hari lagi..

jaxians
22-04-2014, 07:55 PM
Sy jg yg termasuk gak begitu suka dengan keluarnya DM, walaupun mulai cemas dengan progress strategi tim sampai saat ini, paling tidak 1 musim lagi di kasih kesempatan, berikan target kembali ke liga champoin dan menangkan piala liga atau FA.

Gak bisa dipungkiri memang bahwa sekarang di era modern yg membuat MU harus mengambil keputusan berat ini, faktor image, pemasukan uang, hasrat fans yg jg ikut andil di dalamnya.

Hanya berharap semoga apa yg #moyesout (http://www.unitedindonesia.org/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=moyesout) harapkan bisa menjadi kenyataan yg baik setelah wish nya terpenuhi.

troy andreas
22-04-2014, 07:57 PM
Official

Manchester is Blue right now...

mmm...maksud gw, Chelsea FC cabang Manchester baru saja dibuka...

Welcome... =D>

Kalo Moyes yg ga punya track record bagus aja habis dalam waktu kurang dari satu musim. Gimana dg top manager penggantinya? musim depan, sang pengganti sptnya harus langsung bs title contender, kalo cuma incer 4th mala jadi Arsenal cabang Manchester :usul: atau kalau sampe bulan Desember ga bisa nyentuh 4 besar, mala jadi Moyes jilid II \m/

Beban yang sudah besar, makin besar, dan semakin besar...

Ketakutan terbesar setiap manager di era sepakbola modern. Bahkan nama besar gak menjamin posisi aman sang manager, Pep Guardiola saja bilang kalau managemen Munchen gak suka dengan hasilnya di Munchen sejauh ini dia siap mundur. Mou juga dipecat Madrid, City, Chelsea & Liverpool juga pecat beberapa nama manager dalam beberapa tahun terakhir. ckckck, pemecatan Moyes jangan sampe bikin United akan jadi versi seperti klub- klub tadi, plus manager pengganti Moyes harus lebih tangguh dari Ancelloti, Blanc dkk. [-(

Kado buruk buat Moyes yang akan merayakan ulang tahunnya 3 hari lagi..

51 tahun, hanya bisa manage 51 pertandingan utk United dengan kontrak awal 6 tahun. [-(

troy andreas
22-04-2014, 08:09 PM
Habis baca RC yang mana disana ada fans Everton yang posting thread, ternyata banyak dari fans Everton benci dengan Moyes. Nahhhh :nohope:

fredrian.seven
22-04-2014, 08:15 PM
Habis baca RC yang mana disana ada fans Everton yang posting thread, ternyata banyak dari fans Everton benci dengan Moyes. Nahhhh :nohope:

Emang kenapa? Apa karena seharusnya bisa lebih baik klo tanpa Moyes 11 tahun? Klo iya bener2 keterlaluan. :D

stamansa
22-04-2014, 08:45 PM
Akhirnya, Moyes berhenti menjadi manajer Manchester United. Kemenangan untuk brigade moyes out. Tak sampai semusim Moyes menangani United, tak diberi waktu untuk membuktikan diri. Semoga dengan pemecatan ini, para pemain United bisa berkaca.

Om Juna
22-04-2014, 08:59 PM
Welcome to modern football :hammer:

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betul :hammer::hammer:

Roronoa Rooney
22-04-2014, 09:52 PM
Kabar yg cukup mengejutkan. Ternyata united berani memecat suksesor SAF. Imho ini menunjukan bahwa manajemen jg tidak tytup mata dan tutup kuping dengan proses rnd dari permainan united yang bisa d bilang d bawah standard. Tidak terlihat ada gairah dan keinginan dari tim untuk memperbaiki kesalahan2 yang sangat mendasar. Well semoga ini menjadi cambuk buat para pemain . Dan buat giggsy mudah2 an beliau mampu membangkitkan gairah n dan passion united yang telah lama tidur dngan lelapnya..
Ane setuju dengan komen yorke
"Ada ekspektasi yang tinggi -itu merupakan suatu perubahan yang besar. Yang tak pernah kami bayangkan adalah standar performa dan gaya bermain," kata Yorke di BBC.

adi_Giggsy
22-04-2014, 10:16 PM
Antara suka dan duka, baru kemaren berujar masih sabar nunggu moyes semusim lagi eh tahunya kabar buruk duluan datang hehehe

ajier307
22-04-2014, 10:25 PM
yessss....akhirny moyes out!!!

mantappp bah

dr dl hrsny bung glazer, moyes cm jd noda bnr2 g brguna.....

penk22_
22-04-2014, 10:40 PM
51 tahun, hanya bisa manage 51 pertandingan utk United dengan kontrak awal 6 tahun. [-(

Sadis, buat apa di kontrak panjang kalau cuma mau dipecat sebelum 1 tahun, Manchester United is a brand, not a football club [-(

theater of dream
22-04-2014, 10:46 PM
yessss....akhirny moyes out!!!

mantappp bah

dr dl hrsny bung glazer, moyes cm jd noda bnr2 g brguna.....







sukurinnn loe yesss

Respect....
Jaga postingan nya

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penk22_
22-04-2014, 10:49 PM
Respect....
Jaga postingan nya

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Udah daritadi tuh dia om ToD, muncul di thread mana-mana..

fredrian.seven
22-04-2014, 11:26 PM
yessss....akhirny moyes out!!!

mantappp bah

dr dl hrsny bung glazer, moyes cm jd noda bnr2 g brguna.....

Eh si mas bro 30 tahun fans United. Lama tak jumpa... udah 30 tahun jadi fans United, klo pertama kali suka umur 10 tahun berati udah berumur 40 tahun saat ini. Kelakuan nggak cocok sama umur :))

rondwisan
22-04-2014, 11:36 PM
Habis baca RC yang mana disana ada fans Everton yang posting thread, ternyata banyak dari fans Everton benci dengan Moyes. Nahhhh :nohope:

Semalem udah gw singgung di thread sebelah :((
:nohope:

wira_ozora
22-04-2014, 11:46 PM
Mungkin ini yang terbaik buat Moyes,,dan juga untuk club favorit gw selama 16 tahun...Manchester United. Gw yakin dan percaya Om Giggs yg udah mempersembahkan banyak gelar bwd MU semasa msh jd pemain,,bisa membawa MU menyapu bersih smw laga sisa.
Bwd Bro Adji yg selama ini teriak Moyes Out,,selamat keinginan anda terkabul....curiga ni jangan2 udah siapin tumpeng begitu denger kabar resmi ini.

theater of dream
22-04-2014, 11:51 PM
Semalem udah gw singgung di thread sebelah :((
:nohope:

Sebelum match Everton kemaren, gw smpt ngobrol2 dengan mereka, sampai laga terakhir di goodison park sebagai manager everton mereka masih respect tapi skrg seperti nya sebagian fans udah ngga respect dgn Moyes terkait pernyataan Moyes yg katanya menyinggung perasaan mereka..
Detail nya mereka gak jelasin tapi intinya Moyes deserves get boo klo balik ke GP

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Shi no Gekai
22-04-2014, 11:59 PM
trit moyes out udah ditutup padahal belum komen disana soal gesture si baginda..
nasib OL malam :hiu:

"Pencitraan" kali yah, pake kata leave. Bisa jadi Moyes mengundurkan diri juga kan? :ngacir:

Tadi sempat keliling browsing & baca kalo awak media mendapati Moyes sudah ada di Carrington sejak pukul 5 subuh, diikuti stafnya beberapa jam kemudian & Ed Woodward pukul 8 pagi waktu Inggris, kemudian jadilah seperti sekarang.
ni beneran ga sih?
moyes katanya tau dari staf yang udah di carrington soal pemecatannya (karena udah santer dimedia social) tapi jam 8 woodward baru datang dan baru diberitahu secara resmi?

Kalo emang gitu,itu sangat kasar..untuk klub sebesar ini dengan perlakuann seperti itu sangat tidak menunjukkan keprofesionalan..

tapi nasi sudah menjadi bubur..thank you for the memories moyes,the good and the bad one..
you're a good manager,but this team need a great manager..
plong sih tetapi ada sedikit perasaan sedih..
padahal gw berharap dia ngebalikin peseimis gw kalo united ditangan dia tapi ternyata takdir berkata lain..

rencana pemecatan ini sebenarnya ada sejak Feb,sejak kalah dari olympiakos..cuma glazer nunggu sampai secara matematis united ga lolos UCL untuk mecat moyes agar pesangonnya cuma 1 tahun gaji (karena ada klausul di kontrak): dasar otak bisnis :))

united adalah mesin uangnya glazer,jadi glazer akan sangat memperhatikan mesin uangnya.dia liat kok mesin uangnya terseok dan ga menjanjikan. dibawah moyes permainan united ga meyakinkan dan ga berkembang,di jaman SAF united main ga meyakinkan tapi tetap bisa menang dan juara: pemasukan banyak.

ketika united menyodorkan kontrak 6 tahun, harapan dari glazer mungkin minimal konsisten ada di bigfour,kenapa?karena pemasukan dari UCL tinggi.kalau juara ya diharapin mungkin setelah beberapa musim.tapi harapan dan kenyataan berbanding terbalik, glazer dan gw ngeliat sendiri kok ditangan moyes united ga berkembang dan mengkhawatirkan (gw gatau kl yang lain yak terutama yang fansboy moyes,karena moyes selalu dibela :)>- )pastilah board akan berpikir daripada ni mesin uang karam kalo dibiarin jadi ya mending diambil solusi.

apa iya glazer nawarin kontrak 6 tahun tapi udah berencana memecat padahal belum 1 tahun? menurut gw sih ga masuk akal,dengan rekomendasi dari SAF pasti glazer mau united stabil di minimal big4 (karena itu ada klausal lolos UCL).

money talks? hell yeah..kalau ga ada duit itu pemain bergaji mahal mau dibayar pake apa? kalau ga juara ya dari ticket,sponsor dan merchandise kan ya,kalau tim terpuruk kaya gini sponsor yang datang bukan sponsor kelas kakap,tapi teri...utang glazer ga bisa dilunasin makanya mesin uang harus diselamatkan..

admit it,manchester united is a brand,a worldwide brand,not only just a football club..

#ThankYouMoyes (http://www.unitedindonesia.org/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=ThankYouMoyes)

TedWhiteblood
23-04-2014, 12:12 AM
apapun lexis yang dipilih, entah itu "leave", "fired", "sacked", kepergian Moyes is TOO SOON. Terlalu cepat untuk tim yang masih beradaptasi, limbung, dan masih cari pola permainan terbaiknya. 10 bulan untuk 6 tahun terlalu cepat =(( Goodbye Moyessi. Welcome Giggsy.

Shi no Gekai
23-04-2014, 12:27 AM
David Moyes can have no complaints... the Stretford End lost patience and the manager lost his players: this has been disastrous from start to finish


There really can be no complaints. From a runaway steam-train last May, to a shattered train-wreck this April, there is no adjective - at least not one that could be legitimately printed in these pages - that does justice to just how appalling this season has been.

The statistics are utterly frightening, with more unwanted broken records than a vintage vinyl shop. No Champions League football for the first time since 1995. The lowest tally of Premier League points since its inception. An FA Cup exit inflicted at home by Swansea in the 3rd round.

David Moyes continues to suffer from a conviction deficit disorder in the biggest matches. Against the top eight sides sides in the Barclays Premier League, it's one victory in 13 games. In 12 matches against the top-six, United have scored two goals from open play.

Moyes is still to fill those alarming holes in his CV, still to win a trophy (no, the Community Shield doesn't count), still to win a football match away to Arsenal, Chelsea or Liverpool. In Premier League matches this season, these are the aggregate scores-on-the-doors: Merseyside 7-0 Manchester United, Manchester City 7-1 Manchester United.

Statistics can provide a skewed impression in football these days but these numbers are totally unpalatable for United supporters. Few will mourn the departure of David Moyes; the manager who has overseen a decline from 1st to 7th; the manager who has allowed Liverpool to return to the summit, the manager who has overseen a 40-point swing between Everton and Manchester United.

For United fans, the changing of managers has always been one of those things other clubs do, something to look upon with mild amusement and detached curiosity. Not anymore. Many have been reluctant to call for the manager's head but it is now impossible to eek out a redeeming feature from this chastening campaign.

Nearly every player has regressed, only David de Gea and Adnan Januzaj demonstrating signs of improvement. Wayne Rooney has put in the hard yards for the manager - which is more than can be said for many - but his best work has often been perspiration, rather than inspiration.

Most brutally, perhaps, Moyes has sucked the joy out of supporting this football club. Watching Manchester United has become a 90 minutes of lament, stale with turgid and unimaginative football.

To be 2-0 down, as United were on Sunday against Everton, would in the past have been seen as a retrievable situation, something to look forward to in a final 25 minutes of helter-skelter excitement. Sir Alex Ferguson would have demanded as much. Not under Moyes' watch, who, in one of the odder scenes this season, was spotted analysing a set-piece flip-chart with Steve Round before declaring himself pleased with how United passed the ball 'brilliantly well'.

Sunday's defeat by Everton did not decide Moyes' future but it did provide irrefutable evidence that these players - and don't worry, we are getting on to them - care little for the future of their manager, producing perhaps the most anaemic and listless showing that this club has seen in the modern era. From there, you have two options and changing one manager is rather more economically viable than swapping twenty players.

Moyes' relations with this squad have been fragile, to say the least. The very same players that he sought out for personal meetings last summer - Rio Ferdinand, Nemanja Vidic and Ryan Giggs - have rarely looked at ease with him. Vidic, the captain, was happy for Inter Milan to reveal a picture, smiling after signing for the club in February. That should have been put on hold until the close season. It is not only the veterans Moyes has left disillusioned.



Every faction of the United squad has been splintered. Star player Robin van Persie has reportedly been upset with the training schedule, previously personally moulded to suit his needs. Young, homegrown talent Danny Welbeck is now considering leaving the club, frustrated at a perceived lack of opportunities in his favoured striking position. That news was revealed on the morning of the game against Everton - could you imagine such an event happening under Ferguson? Moyes, also, has struggled to rotate players in the correct way, leaving the likes of Javier Hernandez feeling unwanted and unimportant.

Regardless of any concerns over the suitability of the manager, these players should still have offered more. They would have done well to heed the words of Ferguson, who ordered them 'to remember the jersey you're wearing' in that speech last May. Too many have hid, far too ready to shift the blame onto the manager.
Yet it still does not justify the staggering decline Moyes has overseen. From the day he took over this job, he has been urged to buy into the United way, with dynamism, pace and fury in attack. He has failed to listen, his reign beginning with the startling choice to pass up on Thiago Alcantara and then move for Marouane Fellaini.


What we witness now is a squad bereft of its assurance, stripped of its risk taking and largely indifferent in defeat. United have fallen behind on 16 occasions this season in the league and on only four occasions this season have they recovered to to win a football match.

The truth is that everybody involved wanted this to work and remarkably, the fans are yet to audibly turn on the Scot inside a football stadium. That is to these supporters' utmost credit but there have been signs in recent months that the rank-and-file have grown tired of this regime. No longer do they sing Moyes' name, only chanting for their football club in defiance. 'Twenty times, twenty times, Man United', has been the ditty in recent weeks, referencing the club's record haul of league titles. On that note, Liverpool are coming for them.

There is, of course, many United supporters that will sympathise with Moyes' plight. The pressure has been enormous from the get-go. Sir Alex Ferguson's presence continued to pervade. It should be said that he does not have a direct influence, one United source describing him as 'a mere fan in the stands' but his aura was still inescapable. Quite rightly, he continued as a director and an ambassador. Quite rightly, he continued to attend games. How else are United expected to treat their greatest manager?

For Moyes, though, the pressure must have weighed heavily. On match-day, he would drive down the Sir Alex Ferguson way to reach the club's stadium, where a statue of Sir Alex Ferguson would be glaring back at him. He would look up from his seat in the dugout and see the 'Sir Alex Ferguson stand' staring him straight in the face. He would enter the director's box after the game and be greeted by a procession of United legends, past and present. Whoever you are, whatever your capabilities, however much you believe in yourself, that must have been daunting. Ultimately, though, a true contender for the position of United manager had to be able to stare down such pressure.

Strikingly, Moyes has never wore the disposition of a Manchester United manager. This is a manager whose press conferences have seen more 'tries' than Twickenham, a manager who has 'aspired' to the level of Manchester City and a manager who has labelled Liverpool as favourites before a game at Old Trafford.

At one press conference last month, before the Bayern Munich home game, Moyes was joined by Ryan Giggs. One spoke like a Manchester United manager. The other did not. If Moyes does go, Giggs is expected to take the reins for the final few games. United will be in rather safer hands.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2609491/David-Moyes-sacked-The-manager-no-complaints-frightening-season-Manchester-United.html
@green: cihh bahas gesture,kaya nonton full aja di stadion.




yang paling menyakitkan sebenernya adalah ketakutan gw menjdi kenyataan..

HVFT..i've told you....

eyeofday
23-04-2014, 12:48 AM
padahal udah ga sabar season baru, pengen liat 'persaingan sebenarnya baru dimulai', tapi jadi gini..
cuma satu harapan saya, Ole masuk

Blacklist7
23-04-2014, 01:40 AM
plong sih tetapi ada sedikit perasaan sedih..
padahal gw berharap dia ngebalikin peseimis gw kalo united ditangan dia tapi ternyata takdir berkata lain..

katanya plong.. kok masih sedih? wkwkwkwkwk.. jadi sebenarnya sudah plong atau masih ada perasaan kasihan.. ck ck ck

rencana pemecatan ini sebenarnya ada sejak Feb,sejak kalah dari olympiakos..cuma glazer nunggu sampai secara matematis united ga lolos UCL untuk mecat moyes agar pesangonnya cuma 1 tahun gaji (karena ada klausul di kontrak): dasar otak bisnis :))

saya sudah bahas ada 3 match penentu dari Glazer untuk pengambilan keputusan dipecat atau tidaknya Moyes.. vs City, vs Olympiacos, vs Liverpool.. hasilnya 1 menang 2 kalah.. presentase bertahannya Moyes hanya 33%.. itu sudah minim bgt..

[FONT=Trebuchet MS]United adalah mesin uangnya glazer,jadi glazer akan sangat memperhatikan mesin uangnya.dia liat kok mesin uangnya terseok dan ga menjanjikan. dibawah moyes permainan united ga meyakinkan dan ga berkembang,di jaman SAF united main ga meyakinkan tapi tetap bisa menang dan juara: pemasukan banyak.

ketika united menyodorkan kontrak 6 tahun, harapan dari glazer mungkin minimal konsisten ada di bigfour,kenapa?karena pemasukan dari UCL tinggi.kalau juara ya diharapin mungkin setelah beberapa musim.tapi harapan dan kenyataan berbanding terbalik, glazer dan gw ngeliat sendiri kok ditangan moyes united ga berkembang dan mengkhawatirkan (gw gatau kl yang lain yak terutama yang fansboy moyes,karena moyes selalu dibela :)>- )pastilah board akan berpikir daripada ni mesin uang karam kalo dibiarin jadi ya mending diambil solusi.

apa iya glazer nawarin kontrak 6 tahun tapi udah berencana memecat padahal belum 1 tahun? menurut gw sih ga masuk akal,dengan rekomendasi dari SAF pasti glazer mau united stabil di minimal big4 (karena itu ada klausal lolos UCL).

money talks? hell yeah..kalau ga ada duit itu pemain bergaji mahal mau dibayar pake apa? kalau ga juara ya dari ticket,sponsor dan merchandise kan ya,kalau tim terpuruk kaya gini sponsor yang datang bukan sponsor kelas kakap,tapi teri...utang glazer ga bisa dilunasin makanya mesin uang harus diselamatkan..

[FONT=Trebuchet MS]admit it,manchester united is a brand,a worldwide brand,not only just a football club..

#ThankYouMoyes (http://www.unitedindonesia.org/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=ThankYouMoyes)

Klo memang sudah tidak yakin dari awal, kenapa mengiyakan rencana besar transfer dan perombakan tim dari Moyes, sudah dipaparkan rencana Moyes beberapa tahun kedepan, rasanya aneh tiba tiba saat ini Moyes dipecat karena Glazer yg menginginkannya..

jadi sebenarnya Moyes ini leave atau sacked ? hanya Glazers yg tau.. :))

yg dulu teriak LUHG kemarin ikut teriak #MoyesOut (http://www.unitedindonesia.org/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=MoyesOut) juga.. jadi yg salah siapa? Glazer? atau Moyes? :))

Zulfan
23-04-2014, 01:51 AM
Mungkin yang menginginkan Moyes tetap ada bukan karena Moyes Fans Boy atau apa pun istilahnya. Tapi lebih ke tradisi United.

fredrian.seven
23-04-2014, 05:26 AM
David Moyes can have no complaints... the Stretford End lost patience and the manager lost his players: this has been disastrous from start to finish


@green: cihh bahas gesture,kaya nonton full aja di stadion.




yang paling menyakitkan sebenernya adalah ketakutan gw menjdi kenyataan..

HVFT..i've told you....





:))

Sembah sujud buat Yang Mulia... Btw, tuh hasil > cari alasan atau emang udah dari dulu2? Klo udah dipecat gini ya semua hal bisa cocok jadi alasan sih. :))

Tapi ya emang berat. Tiap hal disamain sama Fergie. Musti gini gitu. Saat beda bisa jadi sorotan, padahal diluar sana ada macem2 tuh sifat pelatih. Tapi sekali lagi wajar, selama nggak penuhi target apapun bisa disalah2kan. :))

Terima kasih Moyes cs, meski ikut sedih tp tetep nggak bs tidak senang. Setidaknya bikin fans United lebih die hard, nggak glory hunter. :P

Saatnya restart...

Zee de Wazza
23-04-2014, 05:46 AM
Bingung kudu sedih apa seneng. Ane sejatinya bakal support Moyes n setidaknya kasih kesempatan maksimal 2 tahun lagi, musim depan bangun skuad versi doi musim berikutnya pembuktian. Tapi emang ane udah paham resikonya utamanya dalam sepakbola modern yg serba instan, misal jika gelar BPL disalip Liverpool dg 21 gelar mungkin. Tapi palu sudah diketuk, ane juga seneng mungkin masa kelam musim ini bakal berakhir dg manager baru, mungkin. Tapi ane masih inget pesan SAF, to stand by our new manager (again) hahahaha. Lumdsen n Round ikutan cabut, ya monggo aja, mereka ga berkualitas juga. Kalo si Phil n Woods ane rasa masih layak dipertahanin. Well dasar United, meskipun tertulis leaves ane rasa cuma jaga image deh, aslinya ya pecat lah, kalopun emang leaves ane yakin ada desakan dari pihak tertentu, Ed or Giggsy maybe ? Who knows hehe. Anyway, I would like to thank Moyes for the players he bought and all the records he broken, he deserved it wuahahaha. Farewell Moyes, dapet pesangon toh meski pengangguran hahahaha :D:D:D:D

troy andreas
23-04-2014, 08:08 AM
Emang kenapa? Apa karena seharusnya bisa lebih baik klo tanpa Moyes 11 tahun? Klo iya bener2 keterlaluan. :D

Gak enak mau bawa kesini karena sesama forum, coba main saja ke RC. Thread tsb lagi hot topic kok. Mungkin kalau om Dedi sudah baca bisa dapat pemahaman tersendiri.

Kabar yg cukup mengejutkan. Ternyata united berani memecat suksesor SAF. Imho ini menunjukan bahwa manajemen jg tidak tytup mata dan tutup kuping dengan proses rnd dari permainan united yang bisa d bilang d bawah standard. Tidak terlihat ada gairah dan keinginan dari tim untuk memperbaiki kesalahan2 yang sangat mendasar. Well semoga ini menjadi cambuk buat para pemain . Dan buat giggsy mudah2 an beliau mampu membangkitkan gairah n dan passion united yang telah lama tidur dngan lelapnya..
Ane setuju dengan komen yorke
"Ada ekspektasi yang tinggi -itu merupakan suatu perubahan yang besar. Yang tak pernah kami bayangkan adalah standar performa dan gaya bermain," kata Yorke di BBC.

Dari berbagai sumber yang saya baca, saat United kalah dari Everton manajemen termasuk Woodward, David Gill, Sir Alex & Sir Bobby langsung meeting untuk bahas masa depan Moyes, dan sayangnya Sir Alex juga mendukung pemecatan David Moyes. Berkembang rumor penyebabnya David Moyes gak ingin meneruskan blue print & cara Sir Alex membangun United.

Soal ekspektasi, beberapa waktu lalu saya sempat posting soal tekanan mental pada chants "Come on David Moyes, play like Fergie Boys.... dst". Secara psikologis itu ada tekanan akibat bayang- bayang Sir Alex. Itu juga tergambar dari pemberitaan media berikut ini:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bl3J9QJCEAAV09R.jpg

IMO, Moyes tertekan.

Sadis, buat apa di kontrak panjang kalau cuma mau dipecat sebelum 1 tahun, Manchester United is a brand, not a football club [-(

Saya rasa dikontrak 6 tahun itu juga ada syarat- syaratnya. Mungkin yang diposting bro Gekai ada benarnya, walau saya gak pernah baca isi klausal kontrak Moyes namun masuk akal apa yang diposting bro Gekai soal Kontrak- Glazer & prestasi.

trit moyes out udah ditutup padahal belum komen disana soal gesture si baginda..
nasib OL malam :hiu:


ni beneran ga sih?
moyes katanya tau dari staf yang udah di carrington soal pemecatannya (karena udah santer dimedia social) tapi jam 8 woodward baru datang dan baru diberitahu secara resmi?

Kalo emang gitu,itu sangat kasar..untuk klub sebesar ini dengan perlakuann seperti itu sangat tidak menunjukkan keprofesionalan..


#ThankYouMoyes (http://www.unitedindonesia.org/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=ThankYouMoyes)
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Kabar tersebut sudah dari Minggu malam, sebelum ada pernyataan resmi Gary Neville sudah marah- marah akan rumor tersebut & minta ada pernyataan dari klub berupa dukungan, namun nyatanya gak ada dukungan positif sampe jelang berita pemecatan turun.

Moyes datang pukul 5 pagi untuk dengar kabar resmi face to face dengan Woodward, kemudian setelah pamitan dengan pemain & ambil barang- barangnya, ia tinggalkan Carrington pukul 1 siang.

kasar? Ia sih, karena Keane & Neville aja marah- marah di media sampai salahkan para pemain. Kata mereka pemainlah yang patut disalahkan karena gak pernah main sepenuh hati bagi Moyes.

trit moyes out udah ditutup padahal belum komen disana soal gesture si baginda..
nasib OL malam :hiu:


ni beneran ga sih?
moyes katanya tau dari staf yang udah di carrington soal pemecatannya (karena udah santer dimedia social) tapi jam 8 woodward baru datang dan baru diberitahu secara resmi?

Kalo emang gitu,itu sangat kasar..untuk klub sebesar ini dengan perlakuann seperti itu sangat tidak menunjukkan keprofesionalan..

tapi nasi sudah menjadi bubur..thank you for the memories moyes,the good and the bad one..
you're a good manager,but this team need a great manager..
plong sih tetapi ada sedikit perasaan sedih..
padahal gw berharap dia ngebalikin peseimis gw kalo united ditangan dia tapi ternyata takdir berkata lain..



Sangat setuju, saya juga sering pesimis dengan beliau apalagi didukung dengan komentar- komentar anehnya tapi apa boleh buat ternyata memang takdirnya sudah begitu.

[FONT=Trebuchet MS]trit moyes out udah ditutup padahal belum komen disana soal gesture si baginda..
nasib OL malam :hiu:


ni beneran ga sih?
moyes katanya tau dari staf yang udah di carrington soal pemecatannya (karena udah santer dimedia social) tapi jam 8 woodward baru datang dan baru diberitahu secara resmi?

Kalo emang gitu,itu sangat kasar..untuk klub sebesar ini dengan perlakuann seperti itu sangat tidak menunjukkan keprofesionalan..

tapi nasi sudah menjadi bubur..thank you for the memories moyes,the good and the bad one..
you're a good manager,but this team need a great manager..
plong sih tetapi ada sedikit perasaan sedih..
padahal gw berharap dia ngebalikin peseimis gw kalo united ditangan dia tapi ternyata takdir berkata lain..

rencana pemecatan ini sebenarnya ada sejak Feb,sejak kalah dari olympiakos..cuma glazer nunggu sampai secara matematis united ga lolos UCL untuk mecat moyes agar pesangonnya cuma 1 tahun gaji (karena ada klausul di kontrak): dasar otak bisnis :))

united adalah mesin uangnya glazer,jadi glazer akan sangat memperhatikan mesin uangnya.dia liat kok mesin uangnya terseok dan ga menjanjikan. dibawah moyes permainan united ga meyakinkan dan ga berkembang,di jaman SAF united main ga meyakinkan tapi tetap bisa menang dan juara: pemasukan banyak.

ketika united menyodorkan kontrak 6 tahun, harapan dari glazer mungkin minimal konsisten ada di bigfour,kenapa?karena pemasukan dari UCL tinggi.kalau juara ya diharapin mungkin setelah beberapa musim.tapi harapan dan kenyataan berbanding terbalik, glazer dan gw ngeliat sendiri kok ditangan moyes united ga berkembang dan mengkhawatirkan (gw gatau kl yang lain yak terutama yang fansboy moyes,karena moyes selalu dibela :)>- )pastilah board akan berpikir daripada ni mesin uang karam kalo dibiarin jadi ya mending diambil solusi.

apa iya glazer nawarin kontrak 6 tahun tapi udah berencana memecat padahal belum 1 tahun? menurut gw sih ga masuk akal,dengan rekomendasi dari SAF pasti glazer mau united stabil di minimal big4 (karena itu ada klausal lolos UCL).

money talks? hell yeah..kalau ga ada duit itu pemain bergaji mahal mau dibayar pake apa? kalau ga juara ya dari ticket,sponsor dan merchandise kan ya,kalau tim terpuruk kaya gini sponsor yang datang bukan sponsor kelas kakap,tapi teri...utang glazer ga bisa dilunasin makanya mesin uang harus diselamatkan..

admit it,manchester united is a brand,a worldwide brand,not only just a football club..

#ThankYouMoyes (http://www.unitedindonesia.org/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=ThankYouMoyes)


pemecatan Moyes bikin nilai saham United yang jatuh langsung naik lagi, tadi subuh lupa baca twittnya siapa, tapi doi bilang dari $1 jadi $18, sekian.

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saya sudah bahas ada 3 match penentu dari Glazer untuk pengambilan keputusan dipecat atau tidaknya Moyes.. vs City, vs Olympiacos, vs Liverpool.. hasilnya 1 menang 2 kalah.. presentase bertahannya Moyes hanya 33%.. itu sudah minim bgt..



Klo memang sudah tidak yakin dari awal, kenapa mengiyakan rencana besar transfer dan perombakan tim dari Moyes, sudah dipaparkan rencana Moyes beberapa tahun kedepan, rasanya aneh tiba tiba saat ini Moyes dipecat karena Glazer yg menginginkannya..

jadi sebenarnya Moyes ini leave atau sacked ? hanya Glazers yg tau.. :))

yg dulu teriak LUHG kemarin ikut teriak #MoyesOut (http://www.unitedindonesia.org/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=MoyesOut) juga.. jadi yg salah siapa? Glazer? atau Moyes? :))

Hehehe, sempat diskusi dengan Redsbusby; tempo hari di bbm, saya juga bilang 3 tapi ternyata meleset jadi 6.

Mungkin yang menginginkan Moyes tetap ada bukan karena Moyes Fans Boy atau apa pun istilahnya. Tapi lebih ke tradisi United.

:)

United memang punya sejarah kelam dengan catatan pemecatan McGuinness, O'Farrell, tapi setelah 26 perbaiki catatan kelam tersebut akhirnya tercoreng kembali. Yang saya takutkan nantinya jika pengganti Moyes bukan manager grade A+++ maka United akan terus gonta- ganti manager seperti City- Chelsea & klub eropa kebanyakan.

Kenapa harus grade A+++, pertama biar pemain percaya dengan siapa mereka dipimpin, fans gak kuatir dengan latar belakang sang manager, managemen ada rasa aman di berbagai sisi terutama masalah keuangan. Manager long term project untuk saat ini belum kebaca, kalau memang pilih LVG dengan tempatkan Giggs sebagai assisten bisa jadi untuk siapkan Giggs. Kalau Klopp trus backroom staff bawaannya tapi kontrak jangka pendek bisa banyak kemungkinan lainnya, intinya IMO gak akan ada lagi manager United, sebelum ia berprestasi besar akan dapat long term project sama seperti Moyes awalnya.

fredrian.seven
23-04-2014, 08:32 AM
Gak enak mau bawa kesini karena sesama forum, coba main saja ke RC. Thread tsb lagi hot topic kok. Mungkin kalau om Dedi sudah baca bisa dapat pemahaman tersendiri.


Kemaren sih udah maen2 di RC. Tapi arus posting disana kenceng banget. Nggak tau lokasi yang mas bro bilang ada dimana. :hammer:

troy andreas
23-04-2014, 08:37 AM
Kemaren sih udah maen2 di RC. Tapi arus posting disana kenceng banget. Nggak tau lokasi yang mas bro bilang ada dimana. :hammer:

Karena sama- sama forum gak enak mau dipindah kemari, lagian itu opini fans bukan link berita. Sudah saya PM yah linknya. :)

troy andreas
23-04-2014, 09:23 AM
I have sympathy for David Moyes. Following a great man is difficult

I was a lot younger and not as experienced as David when I was appointed by Sir Matt Busby, and in some ways I think he's been a bit unlucky because at Everton he was a decent manager

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2014/4/22/1398183636082/Wilf-McGuinness-the-forme-009.jpgWilf McGuinness, the former Manchester United manager, knows just how David Moyes feels after his sacking. Photograph: Dave Thompson/PA Archive/Press Association Images

David Moyes will be feeling very hurt and thinking that nothing went right for him – and certainly that some people let him down. I do have sympathy for him because I know what it's like. But I was a lot younger and not as experienced as David when I was appointed out of the blue by Sir Matt Busby, and in some ways I think he's been a bit unlucky because at Everton he was a decent enough manager.

Following a great man, that's where it's difficult. You're often compared to the other manager and it's not a flattering comparison: I was nowhere near as good. Busby was a great, great manager and I had yet to learn those techniques. It was hard, too, because Busby stayed on as a director, just as Fergie has now. Perhaps I should have gone more to Busby for advice, thinking about it, but you think you know how to do it yourself.

You try to get it in your head that it's not going to be that difficult, that it can be done with a couple of good players – and of course I inherited [Bobby] Charlton, [Denis] Law and [George] Best, three wonderful players – but it just didn't work and it didn't work for the ones who followed me either.

My first [and only] full season we didn't do that badly. I think we came sixth or seventh in the league. We didn't get relegated in my time – that came later. Frank O'Farrell followed me. He lasted only a year and it didn't work for the next man either: United were relegated under Tommy Docherty five years after I got the job.

It didn't go as well as anyone hoped for Moyes either, but I don't think nine, 10 months is long enough to make a mark. I believe, looking back, he'll think he should have bought a few new players to improve the team. At a time when all the other clubs are investing, you need not just to be building up your young players but also buying the best players in the world if you want to finish in the top four to get into the Champions League.

It was a bit different for me because I'd been at the club since I was 15 and had also helped Alf Ramsey coach the 1966 World Cup-winning side, so I knew the players and they wanted me to do well. They seemed pleased when I got the job. I was friends with most of them, and of course they all wanted to succeed from their own point of view, too. They want to be stars and they want to win things. If it isn't happening for them, they look for an excuse and you can bet it's never their own fault.

When Busby sacked me it was just after Christmas 1970 – 26 or 27 December, if I remember rightly. He asked me to stay on, to go back to my old job as reserve coach and I didn't think I could, having been manager and all, so I left at the end of the season and went to manage a club in Greece. I try not to remember much about it. I was heartbroken: United were my club, they still are, and so I was very upset that it hadn't worked out.

It's true that my hair fell out as a result. It must have been all the stress because it was all gone in a few weeks, which I have learned to be very grateful for as it's saved me a fortune in hairdressing fees ever since.

What I'd say to David Moyes is that you do get over it. I went on to have a good career – three years managing in Greece and then I worked at York City, Hull City and Bury. These days I make a living doing after-dinner speeches for Manchester United, so I'm still involved in the club. The way I see it now is that I managed Manchester United, and not many people can say that – Moyes can now too. That's quite a feather to have in your cap.

Wilf McGuinness, now 76, was just 31 and Manchester United's reserve-team coach when Sir Matt Busby suddenly gave him his job as manager in June 1969. He was sacked by Busby at Christmas the following year.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/apr/22/david-moyes-wilf-mcguiness-manchester-united

mygalzbiatch
23-04-2014, 09:44 AM
Jelas, pemain harus berkaca atas kejadian ini. Liat pool sekarang, musim lalu finish peringkat 7 dibawah everton. Tp musim ini sanggup bersaing bahkan hampir memastikan gelar bpl. Bahkan sir alex mengatakan pool butuh belanja besar untuk kembali ke jalur juara. Nyatanya?

tukang-las
23-04-2014, 10:21 AM
masih ada aja yg bilang pemecatan moyes adalah kemenangan #MoyesOut (http://www.unitedindonesia.org/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=MoyesOut)

:ngacir:

jifortin
23-04-2014, 10:38 AM
Gak sengaja dapet beginian :malu:

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goodmin
23-04-2014, 11:00 AM
David Moyes was openly sneered and sniggered at by Manchester United stars

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As if immediate memories of a 2-0 defeat by the worst team left in the Champions League were not enough to darken the mood on the Manchester United flight home from Athens in February, the sight of David Moyes’s reading material was enough to prompt further shaking of heads.

A management self-help guide called Good to Great was Moyes’s choice after his team’s 2-0 defeat by Olympiacos that we now know was the tipping point of the Scot’s dismal reign at Old Trafford.

The book was noted by Moyes’s players, the reaction predictable.

‘We are the Premier League champions,’ said one source from that flight. ‘Why on earth did our manager need to read a book to learn how to manage us?’

Moyes may have been United’s ‘Chosen One’ but to most of his players, the former Everton manager was never the right one. At times their disregard for him was startling.

In January when Moyes took his team to Dubai on a training break, he allowed them a night out.

Some players rewarded him by returning at 5am, waking other guests.

When Shinji Kagawa — never trusted by Moyes — arrived so late for the flight to Munich this month that he had to be fast-tracked through departures by United’s security staff he did so with a fixed smile on his face hinting that he really did not care.

As Moyes’s day of reckoning drew close recently, meanwhile, three unused players sat in the stand at one game and began to place bets on just how long their beleaguered manager would survive.

Privately, Moyes now knows that he got some things wrong. He knows he was too cautious, too pragmatic. He hated the ‘Chosen One’ banner draped in his honour at the Stretford End, feeling it implied the job had been gifted rather than earned.

He wanted to impose his own personality on his squad and accepts now that it was too soon, that a softer approach was required.

At training, United’s players soon became disenchanted with his sessions.

They found them boring. One coach appointed by Moyes was referred to as ‘F*** Off (insert name here)’, simply because that was what some players felt like saying when he started talking.

Nor was the disaffection and the disloyalty restricted to the training ground. Towards the end of that game in Athens, for example, Moyes found himself arguing with the fourth official.

‘Send him off,’ came one voice from among the substitutes. ‘We would be better off without him.’ A clear act of insubordination, it astonished those who heard it — but it was not an isolated incident.

One theme of United’s recent season, for example, has been the leaking of team news to a national newspaper. Having established which young player was responsible, Moyes admonished him but to this day the leaks continue.

In the dressing room they just were not listening and those who have been around United for some time quickly drew an obvious conclusion. None of this would have been allowed to continue under Sir Alex Ferguson.

When Kieran Richardson, now at Fulham, turned up at an airport wearing a beanie hat, for example, Ferguson tore it from his head. When he suspected team news leaks two seasons ago, Ferguson began to confiscate mobile phones on match day.

It was draconian management but it worked. Under Moyes, the niggles just continued to niggle.

He could not stem the flow of problems and if an impression is forming here of a squad of renegades running riot around Carrington, then it must be said that at times Moyes did not help himself. At times, for a manager of 15 years’ experience, the 50-year-old could be astonishingly naive.

Back in winter, for example, Moyes found himself constantly fending off questions about his relationship with Robin van Persie and Rio Ferdinand.

In public, he insisted the stories were untrue, a strategy that might have worked if he had not sat with a fellow Premier League manager after one game and torn strips off both.

Ferdinand, for his part, got to hear of the conversation and, at a stroke, another relationship lay in pieces. Every club have their problems, of course. Moyes, though, appeared to bring some of them on himself.

A decent, honest man, the pressure of life at United could make him appear curt — even the ground staff at Old Trafford did not like him — while his decision to tell two midfield players they could leave the club in January seemed extraordinary, given his lack of playing resources at that time.

To this day, one of those players is in the United team.
Certainly, the first-team squad will not miss their departed manager.

Tales of Moyes’s difficulties at Old Trafford serve as a salutary tale of modern management. If you do not get results your employees can make you or break you.

Somewhere in Moyes’s big red self-help manual, there is probably a paragraph about that.


Parah kalo beneran

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2610713/David-Moyes-openly-sneered-sniggered-Manchester-United-stars.html

zudomiriku
23-04-2014, 11:34 AM
Sir Alex Ferguson agreed David Moyes had to be sacked as Manchester United manager in secret hotel meeting

Sir Alex Ferguson played a pivotal role in the decision to sack David Moyes as manager of Manchester United.

Less than a year after choosing Moyes as his successor, the former United boss was one of a group of directors who sealed his fate in a Manchester hotel on Sunday night.

Moyes was officially dismissed in person by United executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward at 7.40am on Tuesday at the club’s Carrington training ground. United then released a statement saying: ‘David Moyes has left the club. The club would like to place on record its thanks for the hard work, honesty and integrity he brought to the role.’

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Time's up: Sir Alex Ferguson agreed that David Moyes had to be sacked at a secret meeting

Ryan Giggs has been put in charge of team affairs until the end of the season but is not a candidate for the job. Nor has the Welshman been assured of a place in the coaching set-up under whoever does come in.

The news that Ferguson had given up on Moyes so early will shock United fans. It is understood Sir Alex had developed doubts about his successor as long as two months ago, realising he had made a big mistake.

Ferguson, along with Woodward, former chief executive David Gill and United legend Sir Bobby Charlton, decided on Sunday night to get rid of Moyes before the end of the season, as had initially been planned.

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How long? Ferguson stepped down last summer after 26 years in charge at Old Trafford

Giggs is viewed by the club as a United manager of the future and hope Moyes’s successor decides to keep him on. They also hope to find a place in the overall structure for another favoured son, Paul Scholes.

Holland coach Louis van Gaal remains favourite to take charge but United also plan to sound out Carlo Ancelotti, who is becoming unsettled at Real Madrid, and would be prepared to spend heavily to prise him away from one of their great European rivals. United feel an opportunity may arise with the former Chelsea coach in the weeks to come, especially if Real go out of the Champions League.

Some United players have already expressed reservations about Van Gaal but the club do not intend to take advice from within the first team. United denied reports of a meeting with the Dutchman in Switzerland but Sportsmail understands an approach was made when the Old Trafford hierarchy learned Van Gaal was close to agreeing terms with Spurs.

THE CONTENDERS

LOUIS VAN GAAL
League titles: 7
Other trophies: 12

DIEGO SIMEONE
League titles: 2
Other trophies: 3

CARLO ANCELOTTI
League titles: 3
Other trophies: 11

P.S. Van Gaal would not be in place until after the World Cup, but United should be wary of a late summer arrival. Moyes began in July, and look what happened to him...

A leading Dutch newspaper claimed the meeting took place 11 or 12 days ago, with Woodward and a member of the Glazer family in attendance.

United say that meeting, which followed their Champions League defeat in Munich, was with adidas to discuss kit sponsorship.

But Van Gaal does have a Swiss adviser and always conducts his most important meetings in that country, having already met Spurs chairman Daniel Levy there. The 62-year-old is believed to be on holiday on Portugal’s Algarve coast, considering the three offers he has been made.

Borussia Dortmund coach Jurgen Klopp is not a candidate, while Bayern Munich’s Pep Guardiola and former United defender Laurent Blanc, now at PSG, are not in the running.

It is feared that Klopp could be too similar to Moyes — brilliant with limited resources but lacking the skills required by an elite club. Another possible candidate, Atletico Madrid’s Diego Simeone, lacks both experience and a grasp of English.

Van Gaal, however, is available after the World Cup and is regarded as someone with the right personality as well as the stature required to occupy the role. The one complication could be United’s desire to announce before the World Cup that he is their man. That, of course, would have to be agreeable to the Dutch FA.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2610715/Sir-Alex-Ferguson-agreed-David-Moyes-sacked-Manchester-United-manager-secret-hotel-meeting.html

Zulfan
23-04-2014, 12:45 PM
Mantan kapten United ini menyebut David Moyes bukan satu-satunya orang yang bertanggung jawab atas kemerosotan tim musim ini.

Roy Keane melemparkan kecaman keras pada mantan klubnya, Manchester United, terkait keputusan menendang David Moyes dari bangku pelatih.

Menurut eks gelandang internasional Republik Irlandia itu, Moyes bukan satu-satunya orang yang bertanggung jawab atas penurunan drastis tim musim ini, yang dipastikan tanpa trofi dan gagal menembus zona Liga Champions.

Petinggi klub seperti ketua eksekutif Ed Woodward, dan bahkan para pemain, juga patut disalahkan.

"Dia [Moyes] jelas menjalani start sulit musim panas lalu ketika mengambil pekerjaan ini," ucap Keane kepada ITV.

"Ketua eksekutif tidak mengamankan kesepakatan yang diinginkannya, ada banyak negativitas dan mereka menjalani start lambat dan tak memiliki momentum."

"Saya pikir ini sangat disayangkan. Dia seharusnya diberikan waktu lebih. Beberapa pemain di Manchester United seharusnya merasa malu pada diri mereka sendiri, mereka telah mengecewakannya."

"Bagi David Moyes menempati peringkat ketujuh liga tentu mengecewakan dan dia harus bertanggung jawab karena itu, tapi Anda tetap membutuhkan orang-orang di sekitar Anda untuk membantu dalam segala cara."

"Saya pikir dia tak memiliki dukungan itu, terutama dari para pemain. Saya pikir dia pantas mendapatkan waktu lebih."

Dede Sugita
http://www.goal.com/id-ID/news/1108/sepakbola-inggris/2014/04/23/4769444/roy-keane-pecat-david-moyes-manchester-united-seharusnya?ICID=OP

zudomiriku
23-04-2014, 12:46 PM
David Moyes: The very best internet virals of the sacked Manchester United boss

David Moyes' departure from Manchester United has been greeted in a light-hearted manner on social media.

Sir Alex Ferguson's resignation last year provoked heartfelt statements, but the aftermath of the sacking of Moyes couldn't be more contrasting.

Here, Sportsmail pick the very best of the memes and virals circulating around the web, including vines.

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Ousted: Our mock-up from the movie 'Class of '92'... no place for David Moyes!

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Sacked: A picture from David Moyes' first day on the job at Manchester United, how things change...

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Please stay: Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho, Manchester City boss Manuel Pellegrini, Arsenal's Arsene Wenger and Liverpool's Brendan Rodgers are depicted here protecting Moyes, who has lead United to seventh

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Agony: A take on United's rivals being unhappy at Moyes' departure

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Let me back in! Another picture from Moyes' first day at the club, mocked up as the Scot being locked out...

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Comical: It's fair to say there haven't been many happy moments for Moyes at United...

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The unchosen one: Sir Alex Ferguson recommended Moyes as his successor. That went well...

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Battered and bruised: A mock-up of Moyes after his meeting with Sir Alex Ferguson earlier this season

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Not quite the chosen one: A touch of photoshop at hand here as that famous banner of Moyes is edited

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Our chance has gone: Another picture showing the despair of Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal fans

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#TaxiForMoyes: A lego depiction of the axed United boss, with his suitcases and all!

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Desperate Tim: Tottenham boss Sherwood is one of the several emails in United's inbox this morning...

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Harsh: Moyes and this dog... what's the difference?

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I think Juan Mata wants to talk to you: Jose Mourinho's phone...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2610196/David-Moyes-The-best-internet-memes-sacked-Manchester-United-boss.html

zudomiriku
23-04-2014, 03:31 PM
David Moyes will feel like he was stabbed in the back after Manchester United sacking, says Wilf McGuinness

My advice to David Moyes would be: put it all behind you and look ahead. The future is still there, life goes on. Don’t shut up shop, get on with it.

This won’t make him pack in the game... or at least it shouldn’t.

He can still become the manager he wants to be, but I have a lot of sympathy for him and this has brought back certain memories for me.

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History repeating: Wilf McGuinness had a difficult time when he replaced Sr Matt Busby at Old Trafford

I can understand comparisons because we both followed two of the greats in Sir Matt Busby and Sir Alex Ferguson.

It is hard to be compared with someone who has been so wonderful.

It wasn’t an impossible job for David Moyes but it was a very hard act to follow because Sir Alex was perhaps the greatest manager Britain has ever seen.

I had to follow Sir Matt in 1969 so I know how he feels.

It’s a big club and it needs big people. People say it was better to be the second man after Ferguson rather than the first but I don’t see that.

David Moyes was different to Sir Alex Ferguson and I was different to Sir Matt.

You can feel as though the job swamps you, but I don’t think David Moyes will feel swamped.

He’ll feel let down and hurt. You do feel hurt, and I think he’ll feel very hurt.
A kick in the teeth or a stab in the back, it hurts either way.

I was very hurt, it’s only human. It didn’t make me hate the club though.

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Hard acts to follow: Being United manager after Sir Matt Busby and Sir Alex Ferguson has proved tough

I think David Moyes should have been given longer but, then again, I thought I should have got longer as well.

He was experienced and successful at Everton. He looked the part, but nine months isn’t a lot of time to prove yourself.

It would have been a big surprise if he had done as well as Sir Alex right away.

Give Ferguson the same amount of time as Moyes and he would have been a failure, but sport is like that. United need to do certain things, like getting into Europe, but I hope they don’t start sacking managers now.

Someone will make a success of being United manager.

Frank O’Farrell and Tommy Docherty — greater managers than me — followed me and they struggled too. When things are not going well people look for faults, but I prefer to think that over a period of time the right people will get things right.

David Moyes needed time, but he didn’t get that time.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2610702/David-Moyes-feel-like-stabbed-Manchester-United-sacking-says-Wilf-McGuinness.html

Blacklist7
23-04-2014, 03:50 PM
Jelas, pemain harus berkaca atas kejadian ini. Liat pool sekarang, musim lalu finish peringkat 7 dibawah everton. Tp musim ini sanggup bersaing bahkan hampir memastikan gelar bpl. Bahkan sir alex mengatakan pool butuh belanja besar untuk kembali ke jalur juara. Nyatanya?

memang benar kan belanja besar?

dari musim 2010/11 awal pembelian Suarez sampai era saat ini Mamadou Sakho aja sudah habis brapa? ga sedikit lho itu..

mau di rinci? :D

Blacklist7
23-04-2014, 03:54 PM
David Moyes needed time, but he didn’t get that time.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2610702/David-Moyes-feel-like-stabbed-Manchester-United-sacking-says-Wilf-McGuinness.html

Itu aja intinya.. tidak diberikan waktu.. betapa gilanya Glazer.. :))

zudomiriku
23-04-2014, 04:24 PM
Manchester United Players Reportedly Called for David Moyes' Sacking

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As the dust begins to settle following David Moyes' departure from Manchester United, reports have surfaced suggesting that senior players at the club had a key role in his departure.

Moyes was sacked on Tuesday after an abysmal 10 months in charge at Old Trafford. According to Dave Kidd of the Mirror, players at the club had told friends that the die was cast for Moyes' removal prior to United's 2-0 defeat to Everton, suggesting the Scot would be out of the Old Trafford door "within days."

Kidd also claims sources close to the United dressing room revealed that Moyes himself may have known his fate was sealed before his team's trip to Merseyside.

Elsewhere, Chris Wheeler of the Daily Mail claims that United players even visited the home of former boss Sir Alex Ferguson in a desperate attempt to shift the former Toffees boss from the hot seat.

United's campaign was punctured with Tony Dawber of the Mirror reporting that Moyes had lost the backing of senior players. These latest stories paint the picture of a volatile, divided dressing room.

In his piece, Wheeler suggests enough was enough for a host of the players, which prompted them into taking drastic action:

Tales emerged of senior Manchester United players beating a path to the door of Sir Alex Ferguson’s Cheshire home to urge their old manager to push for change.

The message was clear: they no longer stood by Moyes and neither should United if the empire Ferguson built was not going to continue crumbling, brick by brick.

Filling the shoes of a figure as significant as Ferguson was always going to be a perilously difficult task for Moyes, and it seems as though the players were never quite on board with his appointment—even while he had the backing of his predecessor and the majority of match-going supporters.

Many, including Oliver Kay of the Times, feel as though the players let Moyes down during his brief tenure:

Oliver Kay
@OliverKayTimes
Feel sorry for Moyes, but he's been drowning for months, let down by players who have hidden behind regime change

Given Ferguson's rallying call after his final game at Old Trafford to "stand by" the new manager, the majority of those supporters inside Old Trafford initially heeded the words of their former boss with some unyielding displays of support for Moyes.

But as results deteriorated, it became apparent that angst was growing amongst the supporters too, most notably when a plane was flown over Old Trafford pushing for Moyes' dismissal.

If the players have rallied against Moyes, it is little surprise that the United owners have decided to terminate his six-year deal after just 10 months in charge.

After the departure of a figure as important as Ferguson, it is the responsibility of everyone at the club to unite behind a similar cause.

Aside from a minority, the Old Trafford faithful gave Moyes their full backing. If the players had done the same, things might have turned out a little differently for the now-former Manchester United boss.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2037758-manchester-united-players-reportedly-called-for-david-moyes-sacking

zudomiriku
23-04-2014, 04:56 PM
Who is to blame for Moyes' sacking: Ferguson, the Glazers or Woodward?

The Manchester United board and Alex Ferguson are responsible for picking the wrong man as manager

• Moyes axed and Giggs put in temporary charge

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Few could argue that David Moyes was not ultimately the architect of his own downfall. But he was far from the only person culpable in a comedy of errors that has seen England's biggest club plummet from league champions to also-rans within 10 tumultuous months.

Moyes lost the players, the fans and –finally – the boardroom through an inability to show that he was making progress on the pitch. That forced the hand of the club's absentee owners as they contemplated a long overdue rebuilding operation and concluded the former Everton manager could not be trusted to oversee it. In the end, they had no option. But it was as much their mistakes as those of Moyes that led them to day's cursory announcement.

Peer through the blizzard of meaningless statistics (David Moyes has the second-highest win percentage of any United manager; David Moyes has the lowest points total of the Premier League era), past the memory of the haunted faces in the dugout and the ever louder whispers of discontent from the dressing room, and the reasons for the malaise at Old Trafford go far deeper than just one man.

In calculating the final cost of the end of an error – which will be measured in more than just points, pounds and pence – there are more than a few mitigating factors at play. Like a slow motion car crash, there has been an inevitability about the way the season has panned out since the summer.

The role of the club's inscrutable American owners, still reviled by large sections of their own fanbase for an ownership model that has cost the club more than £650m in fees and interest, will again come under the microscope. So too, will that of vice chairman Ed Woodward.

The former investment banker was lauded as a commercial genius for minting the segmented overseas sponsorship strategy that allowed the Glazers to keep the tills ringing, service their debt and enjoy continued success on the pitch while Ferguson remained in post. So now he must accept the brickbats for a catalogue of missteps since taking over from David Gill in the top job last summer.

Sitting in his Mayfair office, Woodward once gave assurances that there was a well-considered plan tucked away in his desk drawer for when Ferguson's departure came. If that was ever the case, its execution left much to be desired.

And, of course, there is Ferguson himself. For all that the Glazers and the board erred in allowing him to effectively choose his own successor – a situation it is hard to imagine arising in any other major business – Moyes will go down in history as Ferguson's short lived "chosen one".

In his book, Ferguson said Moyes would have "no trouble embracing our traditions" and said the Glazers were impressed by the fact he was a "straight talker". In both cases, the opposite proved to be true as his fellow Scot failed to embrace the club's attacking traditions on the pitch and cut an ever more impassive, beleaguered figure off it.

Whether on some unconscious level Ferguson chose a successor who he saw as the closest available facsimile of his own approach to life and management, or even one who would not immediately dismantle his empire as a José Mourinho may have done, is one for the psychologists. What is clear is that it suited the Glazers to position the appointment as Ferguson's choice alone.

For many fans, the culpability of Ferguson – the man who gave them 38 trophies in 28 years – runs deeper still. It was the Scot who defended the Glazer model to the hilt even as Old Trafford rocked to "green and gold" protests and insisted that the cash being paid out to service debts, that at one stage hit £716.5m and now stand at £356.6m, had not harmed his ability to compete in the transfer market.

One scene sums up United's desperate season and it speaks volumes that it features Ferguson rather than Moyes: the club's most successful manager being barracked in the stands by home fans during the humiliating home defeat to neighbours Manchester City.

Even as his managerial genius allowed him to wring the last drops of success out of an ageing squad, winning his final title with a flourish, it was clear that Ferguson had left his successor a stack of problems. Long term under-investment in the squad had left it threadbare and Moyes could be heard complaining about the hand he had been dealt as early as United's pre-season tour of Australia.

Those problems were undoubtedly exacerbated by the cack-handed handling of the succession in the boardroom as well as the dugout. The Glazers had known since the previous February that both Gill and Ferguson would be moving on.

And yet arguably the most important summer in the club's recent history was left in the hands of two men with no knowledge of the top end of the European transfer market, culminating in the tragi-comic deadline day pursuit of Ander Herrera, fake representatives and all. The subsequent January capture of Juan Mata was hailed as a coup but gave off more than a whiff of panic.

Moyes' decision to dispense with Ferguson's backroom staff and bring in his own men meant in one summer much of the collective wisdom of the Ferguson era either walked out of the door or was left to sit impassively in the stands as things unravelled around them.

Whereas Moyes was the master of all he surveyed at Everton's Finch Farm training complex and inspired loyalty from those around him, at Manchester United he appeared unable to delegate or to focus on what mattered. Meanwhile, what little authority he had ebbed away.

As flagged up in the small print of the succession of bewildering loan agreements, bond issues, refinancing and stock market flotations since they bought United in 2005, the certainty of having to one day deal with the "succession issue" was the main cloud hanging over the Glazers' feat of financial engineering.

And yet they badly mishandled the first big call of their controversial nine-year tenure.

The Glazers will arrive in Manchester next week to oversee a recruitment process that they know they – and Woodward – can't afford to get wrong for a second time. On his most recent conference call, Woodward was keen to emphasise the extent to which Liverpool had been able to maintain their commercial clout despite their comparative lack of success in recent years.

Yet rather than looking to Anfield for succour, the last two decades at Liverpool should act as a loud warning siren against how far and how fast a seemingly impregnable empire can fall.

And, more than anyone, Woodward will be only too aware of the potential implications for the bottom line if they don't rejoin Europe's top table within a season. In some ways, the new Financial Fair Play era makes it even more imperative to maintain their place among the elite.

Even as talks over a new $1bn kit deal drag on, with those close to the process said to be weary of United's hardline negotiating stance, their legions of sales staff will be already digesting the possible damage the last 12 months have done to the United "brand".

Built on romance and doing things "the United way" but then remorselessly sliced, diced and sold around the world, the longer-term damage to that DNA of a chaotic season that has left the Ferguson succession plan trumpeted by Woodward crumpled and discarded may yet be worse still.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/apr/22/david-moyes-sacking-alex-ferguson-glazers-ed-woodward-manchester-united

zudomiriku
23-04-2014, 05:38 PM
David Moyes Reportedly Furious at Axe, Was Planning Toni Kroos, Luke Shaw Deals

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David Moyes is said to be "furious and disgusted" with the way Manchester United delivered his sacking.

The Scottish manager, axed on Tuesday after an abysmal season in charge of the Red Devils, had little idea he was about to receive the chop, according to Alan Nixon of the Mirror:

Moyes was left in the dark about his imminent departure on Monday, despite the news breaking on Twitter and subsequently flooding the internet.

The Scot, who was in charge at Old Trafford for only 348 days, is angry with executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward and other club officials, who did not keep him informed of his fate.

Nixon also suggests Moyes worked until the bitter end, "pressing" Luke Shaw's representatives for an answer on a £27 million switch from Southampton and targeting a deal for Bayern Munich star Toni Kroos. It is also thought he aimed to confirm the future of Wilfried Zaha and Nick Powell, both of whom are currently on loan away from Old Trafford.

Instead of continuing his rebuilding process, Moyes was forced to clean his desk.

Jonathan Prynn of the London Evening Standard suggests the fallen boss "lost out" on a £30 million payoff due to a clause in his six-year contract limiting his compensation to £5 million if United failed to make the Champions League.

Sir Alex Ferguson, the man who famously chose Moyes as his successor, will have a say in who takes the hot seat next, according to Mark Ogden of the Telegraph. This may fill a number of United fans with dread after his original selection proved to go against the club's famed playing style and philosophy.

Moyes, highlighted at Everton, excels when building competitive, dogged teams, but he needed to show more than battling spirit at Old Trafford. His lack of ambition removed United's famous cut-and-thrust attack, nullified wing play and left individuals such as Juan Mata and Robin van Persie frustratingly isolated in unfamiliar parts of the pitch.

Even so, Nixon reports the 50-year-old is "seething" with his dismissal, as Moyes even sought to call in LMA representative Richard Bevan to ensure he received the pay that was due.

Gary Neville, former United right-back and current Sky Sports pundit, suggested his old club went about sacking Moyes in the wrong way.

Rumours heavily circulated on Monday without confirmation from the United hierarchy, who waited until Tuesday morning to reveal Moyes' fate. Neville claims it "could have been dealt with a whole lot better," per Sky Sports News television channel and via Simon Rice of the Independent.

Ultimately, many fans got what they wanted. Moyes' reported anger is likely to be reminiscent of what many supporters felt throughout the season. Granted, managers should be given time to insert their plans, but with two transfer windows down, all Moyes had achieved was the defacing of a Premier League-winning side.

Both United and Moyes can chalk this one up as an error of judgement and move on. A summer rebuild should see the Theatre of Dreams rocking again, while Moyes is unlikely to be out of top-level work for long.

Moyes is undoubtedly a smart manager whose talent revolves around building tenacious sides, but, like Roy Hodgson at Liverpool, United just weren't the correct fit. As Brendan Rodgers and the Reds have shown, things can change very quickly with the right man in charge.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2038941-david-moyes-reportedly-furious-at-axe-was-planning-toni-kroos-luke-shaw-deals

mygalzbiatch
23-04-2014, 05:51 PM
memang benar kan belanja besar?

dari musim 2010/11 awal pembelian Suarez sampai era saat ini Mamadou Sakho aja sudah habis brapa? ga sedikit lho itu..

mau di rinci? :D

Jgn dihitung dari musim 2010 dong om, rodgers kan baru pegang liverpool 2 musim. Pemain yg dibeli rodgers harganya ga mahal2 bgt kan dan bukan label bintang, point nya mereka berhasil membangun tim, dimusim pertama rodgers pool cuma posisi 7 dan musim ini bisa menggila. Kenapa united ga bisa sabar seperti yg pool lakuin ke rodgers. Ahh whatever lah, semoga musim depan ga ada alasan transisi lg dari manager baru.

fredrian.seven
23-04-2014, 06:00 PM
Masalahnya Liverpool udh biasa di sekitaran 7. Klo sekitar sana ya masih relatif aman. Direksi, pemaen dan fans sih nerima dan sabar. Klo United dah biasa disekitaran 1. Jadi pas anjlok ke 7 ya semua pada gerah. :))

theater of dream
23-04-2014, 06:05 PM
Permasalahan United cukup unik dan sebenarnya susah kalo dibanding2kan dengan klub lain, 26 tahun kita gak pernah ganti managet seolah United gak punya pengalaman sama sekli menghadapi musim dengan manager baru, dibanding klub2 lain ( kita ngga bicara kualitas ) mereka jauh lebih pengalaman dengan kita soal memulai sesuatu yg baru ..
Kedepan nya pasca pemecatan Moyes, kita gak tu klub ini mau arah kemana, kembali ke tradisi lama ato ikut cara2 klub lain soal kebijakan terhadap Manager ?
Lets see..
IMO

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Shi no Gekai
23-04-2014, 09:46 PM
katanya plong.. kok masih sedih? wkwkwkwkwk.. jadi sebenarnya sudah plong atau masih ada perasaan kasihan.. ck ck ck
plong karena dia lengser juga,kasian karena perlakuan yang tidak profesional dari klub sebesar united. kenapa gosipnya kenceng banget di media dan dia baru diinfo besoknya..itu terlalu kejam mate


saya sudah bahas ada 3 match penentu dari Glazer untuk pengambilan keputusan dipecat atau tidaknya Moyes.. vs City, vs Olympiacos, vs Liverpool.. hasilnya 1 menang 2 kalah.. presentase bertahannya Moyes hanya 33%.. itu sudah minim bgt..
jujur gw ga berpikir moyes akan dipecat sekarang,gw berpikir akhir musim depan,jadi soal match penentu nasib ga pernah terlintas di pikiran gw.


Klo memang sudah tidak yakin dari awal, kenapa mengiyakan rencana besar transfer dan perombakan tim dari Moyes, sudah dipaparkan rencana Moyes beberapa tahun kedepan, rasanya aneh tiba tiba saat ini Moyes dipecat karena Glazer yg menginginkannya..
IMO ya,prediksi gw aja sih ini:
moyes dipilih dan diberi kontrak 6 tahun karena permintaan SAF,kita tau kan selama ini glazer tidak pernah mencampuri urusan SAF (gatau kalau dibelakang ternyata berbeda ya) dan glazer setuju karena menghormati SAF dan mendukung moyes melakukan perubahan (kita tau glazer businessman,dia tau butuh waktu dan uang untuk lepas dari bayang2 SAF) karena itu disetujui untuk transfer besar2an dan mereka mendukung rencana moyes.
united beli 2 pemain mahal dan ternyata performa united di liga malah melempem,united masih di papan tengah..pastilah board berpikir,is he the right man? tersingkir di semua ajang,permainan tidak meningkat..mau investasi ke moyes tapi selama ini ga ada progressnya? apakah rela invesntasi 200 jt pound lagi?
ketika kita mau investasi pasti kita liat trennya naik atau turun,mau investasi gede tapi liat performanya malah turun? apakah kita jadi invest?
IMO,mungkin seperti itulah yang ada di pikiran board



Saya rasa dikontrak 6 tahun itu juga ada syarat- syaratnya. Mungkin yang diposting bro Gekai ada benarnya, walau saya gak pernah baca isi klausal kontrak Moyes namun masuk akal apa yang diposting bro Gekai soal Kontrak- Glazer & prestasi.
gw juga gatau isi kontraknya sih :))
cuma kaget ternyata jika moyes dipecat dan ga lolos UCL maka pesangonnya cuma 1 tahun gaji,berarti ada term & condition lainnya donk,dan jika tau united adalah mesin uangnya glazer maka wajar kalo banyak bintang kecil dibawah kontrak dengan tulisan kecil banget:
*syarat&ketentuan berlaku

=)) =))




Kabar tersebut sudah dari Minggu malam, sebelum ada pernyataan resmi Gary Neville sudah marah- marah akan rumor tersebut & minta ada pernyataan dari klub berupa dukungan, namun nyatanya gak ada dukungan positif sampe jelang berita pemecatan turun.

Moyes datang pukul 5 pagi untuk dengar kabar resmi face to face dengan Woodward, kemudian setelah pamitan dengan pemain & ambil barang- barangnya, ia tinggalkan Carrington pukul 1 siang.

kasar? Ia sih, karena Keane & Neville aja marah- marah di media sampai salahkan para pemain. Kata mereka pemainlah yang patut disalahkan karena gak pernah main sepenuh hati bagi Moyes.

nah itu dia yang gw ga suka,gosipnya kenceng di media,di twiter udah wara wiri eh twiternya MU malah adem ayem aja,ga ada bantahan sama sekali lho (eh katanya ada 1 orang sih ya)
ampe besoknya juga ga ada bantahan apa2..
twiter pertama MU adalah ngucapin happy birthday ke dion dublin..
beberapa menit kemudian baru twit soal pemecatan moyes, FFS..
please have some manner..

kalo ngelesnya mungkin sih ya: ini pertama kalinya united mecat pelatih dibawah glazer,jadi masih amatiran dan ga pengalaman gimana cara yang sopan dalam memecat pelatih:))

soal salah pemain gw setuju,bukan hanya salah moyes tapi pemain juga punya andil besar..tapi tetap aja tanggung jawab terbesar ada di manager,kenapa dia ga bisa handle pemain tsb..padahal posisi dia MANAGEr..

Sangat setuju, saya juga sering pesimis dengan beliau apalagi didukung dengan komentar- komentar anehnya tapi apa boleh buat ternyata memang takdirnya sudah begitu.

iya,walopun komennya aneh bin ajaib tapi gw berharap ketakutan gw jadi jinx dan semua berbalik..eh ternyata beneran kejadian,ga jadi jinx..

pemecatan Moyes bikin nilai saham United yang jatuh langsung naik lagi, tadi subuh lupa baca twittnya siapa, tapi doi bilang dari $1 jadi $18, sekian.
bener,sahamnya naik ke posisi pas dulu united dipegang SAF katanya..

Kenapa harus grade A+++, pertama biar pemain percaya dengan siapa mereka dipimpin, fans gak kuatir dengan latar belakang sang manager, managemen ada rasa aman di berbagai sisi terutama masalah keuangan. Manager long term project untuk saat ini belum kebaca, kalau memang pilih LVG dengan tempatkan Giggs sebagai assisten bisa jadi untuk siapkan Giggs. Kalau Klopp trus backroom staff bawaannya tapi kontrak jangka pendek bisa banyak kemungkinan lainnya, intinya IMO gak akan ada lagi manager United, sebelum ia berprestasi besar akan dapat long term project sama seperti Moyes awalnya.
:beer::beer::beer::beer:
harus manager level kelas dunia,biar ego2 pemain united bisa ditekan ama dia..

Jgn dihitung dari musim 2010 dong om, rodgers kan baru pegang liverpool 2 musim. Pemain yg dibeli rodgers harganya ga mahal2 bgt kan dan bukan label bintang, point nya mereka berhasil membangun tim, dimusim pertama rodgers pool cuma posisi 7 dan musim ini bisa menggila. Kenapa united ga bisa sabar seperti yg pool lakuin ke rodgers. Ahh whatever lah, semoga musim depan ga ada alasan transisi lg dari manager baru.
tolong jangan bandingin masa transisi moyes united dengan rodgers pool,menurut gw itu penghinaan ke rodgers.
rodgers datang ke pool dengan konsep yang jelas,permainan kick&rush pool diubah menjadi tikitakanya rodgers,perubahan pola ini membuat mereka menjadi inkonsisten tapi lama kelamaan pemain tahu bagimana menjalankan pola baru ini (gw setuju dengan tulisan pangeran siahaan di bolatotal tth fans pool harus sabar di era rodgers),dan gw juga liat kok perubahan pola ini karena gw sering nonton pool main.
nah di moyes united ini yang ga gw liat,ga ada progress dari segi pola permainan,udah 51 match dan permainan yang dianggap berkembang cuma ada beberpa match,ini sih bukan progress..
IMO sih yak..

btw ganti signature dulu ahh,ternyata dead man walking

theater of dream
23-04-2014, 10:13 PM
tolong jangan bandingin masa transisi moyes united dengan rodgers pool,menurut gw itu penghinaan ke rodgers.
rodgers datang ke pool dengan konsep yang jelas,permainan kick&rush pool diubah menjadi tikitakanya rodgers,perubahan pola ini membuat mereka menjadi inkonsisten tapi lama kelamaan pemain tahu bagimana menjalankan pola baru ini (gw setuju dengan tulisan pangeran siahaan di bolatotal tth fans pool harus sabar di era rodgers),dan gw juga liat kok perubahan pola ini karena gw sering nonton pool main.
nah di moyes united ini yang ga gw liat,ga ada progress dari segi pola permainan,udah 51 match dan permainan yang dianggap berkembang cuma ada beberpa match,ini sih bukan progress..
IMO sih yak..

btw ganti signature dulu ahh,ternyata dead man walking

Sekedar tanya aja berapa lama waktu dibutuhkan BR buat membangun skuad nya sendiri ?


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fredrian.seven
23-04-2014, 10:40 PM
Sekedar tanya aja berapa lama waktu dibutuhkan BR buat membangun skuad nya sendiri ?


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Semusim...

Tapi emang beda antara BR dan Moyes. Salah satu beda masalah ego pemaen.

Aku setuju sama Gekai. Pelatih selanjutnya musti bener2 world class dan punya nama. Moyes seolah nggak punya gigi dihadapan pemaen2nya. Ibarat pertama kali datang dah dikasih ucapan,"sapa loe" dari pemaen. Kan sempet ada isu Giggs bentrok, keputusan Vida cabut, Rio yg ngeluh, Evra yg nggak jelas kontraknya dan RvP yg terus digosipkan nggak betah. Terlepas bener nggaknya setidaknya bisa jadi gambaran suasana nggak kondusif. Dari awal dah nggak berjalan lancar, makin kesini ya makin ancur. Bukannya perbaikan.

Wajar klo Moyes mo rebulding, dia ingin mbersihkan pemaen2 yg nggak loyal dan kurang respek ke dia dan diganti sama pemaen baru. Tapi ya glazer berkata lain.

Klo BR? Atau Martinez. Selain masalah teknis yg lebih baik dan faktor lain, tekanan dr pemaen nggak sebesar Moyes. Pemaen senior juga ndukung dia. Jadi proses transisi lebih lancar.

IMO

Shi no Gekai
23-04-2014, 10:48 PM
Sekedar tanya aja berapa lama waktu dibutuhkan BR buat membangun skuad nya sendiri ?


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cuma semusim mod..

Semusim...

Tapi emang beda antara BR dan Moyes. Salah satu beda masalah ego pemaen.

IMO
moyes bukannlah manager dengan history juara,dihadapkan ke pemain2 yang udah bergelimang gelar. ego pemain pasti tinggi dan menganggap remeh dia,belum pernah juara mau ngelatih gw yang udah juara..emang lu bisa?

makanya gw bilang pemain juga berandil besar dalam kegagalan moyes tapi lebih besar andil moyes yang ga bisa handle ego pemain2 tsb.

dari awal calon penerus SAF menurut gw adalah mou,egonya ngalahin semua ego pemain united :mudance::mudance:

theater of dream
23-04-2014, 10:48 PM
Tapi pemain lebih duluan nge-kick dia om ded..
What a shame :hammer:

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fredrian.seven
23-04-2014, 11:07 PM
Tapi pemain lebih duluan nge-kick dia om ded..
What a shame :hammer:

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Ya itu. Dari awal mental pemaen down pasca Fergie pensiun. Trus yg datang cuma Moyes. Mental nggak bangkit tapi makin drop. Ya udah...

Tapi ya bener juga, seandainya Rene dan Phelan masih disana mungkin lain cerita. Setidaknya ada staf senior yg bs bantu handle pemaen. Tapi ya udah... Moga manajer berikutnya bisa lebih baik.

fadlysyah
23-04-2014, 11:29 PM
Ya itu. Dari awal mental pemaen down pasca Fergie pensiun. Trus yg datang cuma Moyes. Mental nggak bangkit tapi makin drop. Ya udah...

Tapi ya bener juga, seandainya Rene dan Phelan masih disana mungkin lain cerita. Setidaknya ada staf senior yg bs bantu handle pemaen. Tapi ya udah... Moga manajer berikutnya bisa lebih baik.

Kalau Moyes ngak dapet respek dari pemain, solusi nya ya kalo gak cuci gudang pemaen abis abisan ya ganti pelatih.

Ane ngeliat kok mirip kasus carlos queiroz dulu ngelatih madrid, kurang dapet respek, biarpun waktu itu madrid ga sampe kejerembab ke peringkat 7

Blacklist7
23-04-2014, 11:47 PM
Ya itu. Dari awal mental pemaen down pasca Fergie pensiun. Trus yg datang cuma Moyes. Mental nggak bangkit tapi makin drop. Ya udah...

Tapi ya bener juga, seandainya Rene dan Phelan masih disana mungkin lain cerita. Setidaknya ada staf senior yg bs bantu handle pemaen. Tapi ya udah... Moga manajer berikutnya bisa lebih baik.

gw udah bilang pas awal debat sama Adjie.. dibilang lebay atau faktor non teknis yg tidak mempengaruhi permainan United..

jelas jelas mental pemain United sampai detik ini masih down.. malah nyalahin Moyes.. :))

fredrian.seven
23-04-2014, 11:55 PM
Kalau Moyes ngak dapet respek dari pemain, solusi nya ya kalo gak cuci gudang pemaen abis abisan ya ganti pelatih.

Ane ngeliat kok mirip kasus carlos queiroz dulu ngelatih madrid, kurang dapet respek, biarpun waktu itu madrid ga sampe kejerembab ke peringkat 7

Ya mirip2 lah sepertinya...

zudomiriku
24-04-2014, 11:20 AM
Ryan Giggs urges Manchester United to revert to the ways of Sir Alex Ferguson as interim boss takes charge at Old Trafford

Ryan Giggs addressed his Manchester United players on Wednesday and delivered the message that he wants them to return to their old attacking ways in the post David Moyes era.

Giggs has told the squad he wants them to start playing like Manchester United again, and to start pressing teams and dictating games like they did under Sir Alex Ferguson.

The interim United boss will draw on 23 years of experience playing for Ferguson to transform the team back in to the brave, ruthless side they were before Moyes took over.

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First day: Ryan Giggs arrives for training at Carrington as the new Manchester United interim manager

Moyes’ acrimonious exit from Manchester United included not a word of thanks to his players.

The sacked United manager released a statement through the League Managers’ Association after leaving the club after just 10 months.

The LMA themselves criticised United’s handling of Moyes’ sacking but it was Moyes’ words that were noted with derision in the dressing room at Carrington.

As United officials prepared to meet with top managerial target Louis van Gaal in Portugal this week, Moyes reflected on his time and said: 'During this period of transition, performances and results have not been what Manchester United and its fans are used to or expect, and I both understand and share their frustration.

'I remain proud to have led the team to the quarter-finals of this year’s Champions League and I remain grateful to Sir Alex Ferguson for believing in my ability and giving me the chance to manage Manchester United.

'To have been appointed as manager of Manchester United, one of the biggest football clubs in the world, was and remains, something of which I will always be incredibly proud.

'Taking charge after such a long period of continuous stability and success at the club was inevitably going to be a significant challenge, but it was one which I relished and never had a second thought about taking on.

'The scale of the manager’s job at United is immense, but I have never stepped away from hard work and the same applies to my coaching staff.

'I thank them for their dedication and loyalty throughout the last season.

'I would also like to thank the United staff for making me feel so welcome and part of the United family from my first day. And of course thank you to those fans who have supported me throughout the season.'

Interim United manager Ryan Giggs began his short time in charge by welcoming Paul Scholes back as coach, a move revealed by MailOnline on Tuesday morning.

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I'm back: Paul Scholes has been appointed as a coach at Manchester United by Giggs

In an address to his squad, Giggs told them it was time to 'start playing like Manchester United again'.

United, meanwhile, continue to edge closer to the £30m signing of Luke Shaw after indicating they will continue to pursue current targets unless a new manager advises otherwise.

The club, due to welcome owners the Glazers to Saturday’s home game against Norwich, have knocked back suggestions they may attempt to prise Jose Mourinho away from Chelsea and continue to have Dutch coach Van Gaal and Real Madrid’s Carlo Ancelotti at the top of their short list.

LMA chief executive Richard Bevan said: 'The LMA is very disappointed with the nature of David’s departure from Manchester United and to read extensive reports in the press, confirming David’s sacking, before David himself had been spoken to.

'Throughout his time at United, David, as he always does, has conducted himself with integrity and professionalism, values that he believes in and that have been strongly associated with the club and its rich tradition.

'It is therefore sad to see the end of David’s tenure at United being handled in an unprofessional manner.'

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Not happy: Richard Bevan revealed his disappointment at Manchester United's handling of the sacking

United face a fight to keep Danny Welbeck and Tom Cleverley in the summer with Everton planning a double swoop for the pair.

Manager Roberto Martinez will consider a move for Welbeck if Everton fail to strike a deal to keep Romelu Lukaku, who is also wanted by Tottenham and would command a transfer fee of more than £20million.

The capture of Cleverley would be more straightforward as the midfielder only has 14 months left on his contract.

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On the radar: Danny Welbeck could be on the move to Everton this summer

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Wanted: Everton are also keen on Tom Cleverley, who only has 14 months left on his contract

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zudomiriku
24-04-2014, 01:03 PM
David Moyes: More of the best internet virals of the sacked Manchester United boss

David Moyes' departure from Manchester United has been greeted in a light-hearted manner on social media.

Sir Alex Ferguson's resignation last year provoked heartfelt statements, but the aftermath of the sacking of Moyes couldn't be more contrasting.

Here, Sportsmail pick more of the very best of the memes and virals circulating around the web.

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Not interested: Manchester United players listen intently to Sir Alex Ferguson but aren't quite as interested when David Moyes gives his own lesson

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Saying goodbye: Arsene Wenger, Brendan Rodgers, Jose Mourinho, Manuel Pellegrini and Tim Sherwood react to Moyes' sacking

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New job: Moyes stacks shelves in Asda after being shown the exit door at Old Trafford

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Wise words: Sir Alex Ferguson shows off a list of his top candidates for the United job after picking Moyes last summer

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New man: Moyes finds out about his sacking by arriving to find Ryan Giggs' name on his office door

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Glory days: Moyes uses the Charity Shield as a mirror as he discusses Tuesday morning's big meeting with chief executive Ed Woodward

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Moving on: Moyes burns a picture of United striker Robin van Persie on his first day out of a job

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2611391/David-Moyes-More-best-internet-virals-sacked-Manchester-United-boss.html

zudomiriku
24-04-2014, 05:14 PM
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troy andreas
24-04-2014, 08:30 PM
plong karena dia lengser juga,kasian karena perlakuan yang tidak profesional dari klub sebesar united. kenapa gosipnya kenceng banget di media dan dia baru diinfo besoknya..itu terlalu kejam mate



jujur gw ga berpikir moyes akan dipecat sekarang,gw berpikir akhir musim depan,jadi soal match penentu nasib ga pernah terlintas di pikiran gw.


IMO ya,prediksi gw aja sih ini:
moyes dipilih dan diberi kontrak 6 tahun karena permintaan SAF,kita tau kan selama ini glazer tidak pernah mencampuri urusan SAF (gatau kalau dibelakang ternyata berbeda ya) dan glazer setuju karena menghormati SAF dan mendukung moyes melakukan perubahan (kita tau glazer businessman,dia tau butuh waktu dan uang untuk lepas dari bayang2 SAF) karena itu disetujui untuk transfer besar2an dan mereka mendukung rencana moyes.
united beli 2 pemain mahal dan ternyata performa united di liga malah melempem,united masih di papan tengah..pastilah board berpikir,is he the right man? tersingkir di semua ajang,permainan tidak meningkat..mau investasi ke moyes tapi selama ini ga ada progressnya? apakah rela invesntasi 200 jt pound lagi?
ketika kita mau investasi pasti kita liat trennya naik atau turun,mau investasi gede tapi liat performanya malah turun? apakah kita jadi invest?
IMO,mungkin seperti itulah yang ada di pikiran board



gw juga gatau isi kontraknya sih :))
cuma kaget ternyata jika moyes dipecat dan ga lolos UCL maka pesangonnya cuma 1 tahun gaji,berarti ada term & condition lainnya donk,dan jika tau united adalah mesin uangnya glazer maka wajar kalo banyak bintang kecil dibawah kontrak dengan tulisan kecil banget:
*syarat&ketentuan berlaku

=)) =))





nah itu dia yang gw ga suka,gosipnya kenceng di media,di twiter udah wara wiri eh twiternya MU malah adem ayem aja,ga ada bantahan sama sekali lho (eh katanya ada 1 orang sih ya)
ampe besoknya juga ga ada bantahan apa2..
twiter pertama MU adalah ngucapin happy birthday ke dion dublin..
beberapa menit kemudian baru twit soal pemecatan moyes, FFS..
please have some manner..

kalo ngelesnya mungkin sih ya: ini pertama kalinya united mecat pelatih dibawah glazer,jadi masih amatiran dan ga pengalaman gimana cara yang sopan dalam memecat pelatih:))

soal salah pemain gw setuju,bukan hanya salah moyes tapi pemain juga punya andil besar..tapi tetap aja tanggung jawab terbesar ada di manager,kenapa dia ga bisa handle pemain tsb..padahal posisi dia MANAGEr..


iya,walopun komennya aneh bin ajaib tapi gw berharap ketakutan gw jadi jinx dan semua berbalik..eh ternyata beneran kejadian,ga jadi jinx..


bener,sahamnya naik ke posisi pas dulu united dipegang SAF katanya..


:beer::beer::beer::beer:
harus manager level kelas dunia,biar ego2 pemain united bisa ditekan ama dia..


tolong jangan bandingin masa transisi moyes united dengan rodgers pool,menurut gw itu penghinaan ke rodgers.
rodgers datang ke pool dengan konsep yang jelas,permainan kick&rush pool diubah menjadi tikitakanya rodgers,perubahan pola ini membuat mereka menjadi inkonsisten tapi lama kelamaan pemain tahu bagimana menjalankan pola baru ini (gw setuju dengan tulisan pangeran siahaan di bolatotal tth fans pool harus sabar di era rodgers),dan gw juga liat kok perubahan pola ini karena gw sering nonton pool main.
nah di moyes united ini yang ga gw liat,ga ada progress dari segi pola permainan,udah 51 match dan permainan yang dianggap berkembang cuma ada beberpa match,ini sih bukan progress..
IMO sih yak..

btw ganti signature dulu ahh,ternyata dead man walking


Semusim...

Tapi emang beda antara BR dan Moyes. Salah satu beda masalah ego pemaen.

Aku setuju sama Gekai. Pelatih selanjutnya musti bener2 world class dan punya nama. Moyes seolah nggak punya gigi dihadapan pemaen2nya. Ibarat pertama kali datang dah dikasih ucapan,"sapa loe" dari pemaen. Kan sempet ada isu Giggs bentrok, keputusan Vida cabut, Rio yg ngeluh, Evra yg nggak jelas kontraknya dan RvP yg terus digosipkan nggak betah. Terlepas bener nggaknya setidaknya bisa jadi gambaran suasana nggak kondusif. Dari awal dah nggak berjalan lancar, makin kesini ya makin ancur. Bukannya perbaikan.

Wajar klo Moyes mo rebulding, dia ingin mbersihkan pemaen2 yg nggak loyal dan kurang respek ke dia dan diganti sama pemaen baru. Tapi ya glazer berkata lain.

Klo BR? Atau Martinez. Selain masalah teknis yg lebih baik dan faktor lain, tekanan dr pemaen nggak sebesar Moyes. Pemaen senior juga ndukung dia. Jadi proses transisi lebih lancar.

IMO

Komentar Gary Neville:

"The suggestion that they need a big manager to attract players to the club, I find that a bit sad to be fair," he told Sky Sports.

"The idea that Manchester United Football Club need to have a sort-of figurehead to be able to attract players is a nonsense as far as I'm concerned.

"Manchester United, as a football club, is big enough in its own right to be able to attract players - and they should be.

"It seems to be pointing in that direction and I suppose at the start of next season, if they can spend the money that they have wisely and there's a new big-name manager then times will be exciting again.


Van Gaal the only choice for de Boer
"The reality of it is that it doesn't really matter who the manager is. What matters most to Manchester United fans is that they actually win football matches and get back to where they belong."

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/29326/9280384/gary-neville-manchester-united-dont-need-big-name-manager

Sangat setuju soal respect pemain yang gak di dapat Moyes, mungkin itu berawal dengan keputusan penentuan starting XI, strategi, pola latihan dll. Bisa jadi kan, karena awalnya waktu menang CS sama menang lawan Swansea masih komentar positif kok dari RvP.

Ya itu. Dari awal mental pemaen down pasca Fergie pensiun. Trus yg datang cuma Moyes. Mental nggak bangkit tapi makin drop. Ya udah...

Tapi ya bener juga, seandainya Rene dan Phelan masih disana mungkin lain cerita. Setidaknya ada staf senior yg bs bantu handle pemaen. Tapi ya udah... Moga manajer berikutnya bisa lebih baik.

Rene: "I tried to explain to David that it would be like going from steering a yacht to a cruise liner."

"Sir Alex was very good at stepping back to see the bigger picture & making sure the cruise liner stayed on course."

Jadi curiga, Rene gak mengundurkan diri tapi........ :nohope:

Shi no Gekai
24-04-2014, 11:14 PM
Jadi curiga, Rene gak mengundurkan diri tapi........ :nohope:
lho?gw malah taunya rene dipecat eh bukan dipecat, SAF cerita ke RM dan MP kalo dia akan pensiun dan penggantinya adalah the chosen gone,dan SAF juga bilang ke mereka kalo the chosen gone ga membutuhkan mereka karena dia akan bawa staf sendiri,makanya mereka mengundurkan diri..

kayanya MP deh yang cerita ke wartawan..

gw sih lebih percaya ama omongan MP daripada moyes,setelah pengalaman komentar post match


btw bannernya udah dicopot ya...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bl-jdMHIAAA4bJt.png

babol
25-04-2014, 07:19 AM
sumpah ini berita lebih buruk dan lebih mengkhawatirkan daripada berita Opa pensiun tahun lalu
kita udah ga ada beda sama klub lain, musim2 depan makin ga ada harapan
klo ada duit pengen dah ke Manchester demo 'kembalikan kami jd klub sepakbola, bukan lahan bisnis!!'

Lebay :)).. modern football is all about business. Live with it.

zudomiriku
25-04-2014, 10:16 AM
Sir Alex Ferguson 'upset' at how Man United sacked David Moyes

* Sir Alex Ferguson was speaking at a charity lunch in Manchester
* He was responsible for luring David Moyes to Old Trafford
* The club may pay for their handling of the situation when it comes to Moyes' exit terms
* Moyes believes United delayed sacking him to save millions of pounds in compensation

Sir Alex Ferguson has spoken of his anguish at the way David Moyes’s sacking was handled by Manchester United.

Speaking to an audience of 300 at a charity lunch in Manchester, Ferguson said he found it ‘upsetting the way it came out’.

Moyes learned of his imminent sacking when the story broke on Monday afternoon — 16 hours before he was officially informed by the club.

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Upset: Sir Alex Ferguson is unhappy with how Manchester United dealt with the sacking of David Moyes

Ferguson clearly finds that regrettable when he was responsible for luring his fellow Scot to Old Trafford from Everton, where he had enjoyed 11 successful years prior to 10 torturous months at United.

United’s handling of the situation might cost them dearly when it comes to negotiating Moyes’s exit terms. The League Managers’ Association, who are assisting Moyes, have already blasted the club for behaving in an ‘unprofessional manner’.

Their chief executive Richard Bevan said: ‘The LMA is verydisappointed with the nature of David’s departure.’

That view was endorsed on Thursday by West Ham manager Sam Allardyce, an LMA committee member, who called the process ‘flawed’ and ‘a great shame for David and for United’s brand’. It is highly significant that the LMA will not comment further until Moyes’s compensation deal has been finalised.

It is understood the 50-year-old believes United delayed sacking him to save millions of pounds in compensation.

The axe fell two days after defeat at Everton, which meant United could no longer finish in the Champions League places. Moyes has told friends he believes this was motivated by a clause in his contract stipulating that failure to finish in the top four would limit his pay-off to £4.5million — a year’s money.

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Bitter: Moyes did not have the contact with Ed Woodward (left) that he wanted during his reign

Moyes is convinced United decided to sack him weeks ago — something that has been corroborated by club sources this week. But had he been dismissed when there was still a chance of finishing in the top four, his pay-off could have been at least £9m.

United maintain they did everything by the book and have adhered to stock-market regulations.

A club spokesman said: ‘We do not accept that it was handled in an unprofessional manner. The decision was not taken until late Monday night and was communicated face-to-face first thing on Tuesday morning.’

It is understood Moyes is bitter towards executive chairman Ed Woodward. He wanted daily contact with the club’s senior executive but sources say communication ‘sometimes wasn’t even weekly’.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2612562/Sir-Alex-Ferguson-upset-Man-United-sacked-Moyes.html

zudomiriku
25-04-2014, 10:50 AM
David Moyes' 'Chosen One' banner removed from Old Trafford after Man Utd sack Scot

The infamous 'Chosen One' banner dedicated to David Moyes has been removed from Old Trafford following his sacking on Tuesday.

It was only a matter of time but Stretford End Flags, the Manchester United fans' group that picks the banners which adorn the stadium, announced the news on Thursday via their Twitter account.

It was put up at the start of the season to highlight that Sir Alex Ferguson had selected Moyes as his successor, but as United's season went sour, the banner was used by his own fans to deride him and by opposition supporters to mock him.

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Here today, gone tomorrow: David Moyes 'The Chosen One' banner has been removed from Old Trafford

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A rival supporters' group organised a plane to fly past with the message 'The Wrong One' to counter the banner at the Stretford End.

Despite a decent enough start to his Old Trafford tenure, with wins in the Community Shield and on the opening day of the Premier League season at Swansea, Moyes seemed out of his depth for large parts of the campaign.

Old Trafford, for so long a fortress, became little more than a guest house, as West Brom, Everton, Newcastle, Tottenham, Man City and Liverpool all left the Theatre of Dreams with maximum points.

Just 24 points have been mustered at home, the same as Norwich, and less than the likes of Stoke City and Crystal Palace.

United now look set to finish seventh - by far their lowest in the Premier League era - and to make things worse, the Scot also oversaw embarrassing cup exits at the hands of Swansea and Sunderland. Any realistic change of major silverware ended in January.

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Message of support: This banner was put up as a result of Sir Alex Ferguson's endorsement of Moyes

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Gone and forgotten: 'The Chosen One' banner became a topic of ridicule at Old Trafford this season

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Mocking: Liverpool fans have been revelling in United's dismal season as they have excelled under Rodgers

Surprisingly, considering his relative lack of European experience, United performed marginally better in the Champions League than they did domestically, squeezing past Olympiacos in the last 16 before coming unstuck against Bayern Munich - suffering a frustrating exit after taking the lead in both legs before being pegged back.

And last Sunday's 2-0 defeat at Everton turned out to be the final final straw for a beleaguered Moyes. United were abject throughout, as the Scot looked forlorn and lost against his former club, who are, to add insult to injury, currently thriving under new boss Roberto Martinez.

United legend Ryan Giggs has been appointed as interim manager between now and the end of the season and last season's champions hopefully look to go from the chosen one to the right one.

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The new boss: One banner that will stay adorning the Stretford End at Old Trafford

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2612083/The-Chosen-Gone-David-Moyes-Chosen-One-banner-removed-Stretford-End-Old-Trafford.html

troy andreas
25-04-2014, 11:46 AM
lho?gw malah taunya rene dipecat eh bukan dipecat, SAF cerita ke RM dan MP kalo dia akan pensiun dan penggantinya adalah the chosen gone,dan SAF juga bilang ke mereka kalo the chosen gone ga membutuhkan mereka karena dia akan bawa staf sendiri,makanya mereka mengundurkan diri..

kayanya MP deh yang cerita ke wartawan..

gw sih lebih percaya ama omongan MP daripada moyes,setelah pengalaman komentar post match


btw bannernya udah dicopot ya...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bl-jdMHIAAA4bJt.png


Rene:

‘David ignored the solid advice given to him by many of the staff in place at the time and opted to put his own plans in place, which he’s entitled to do but it backfired on him a little bit.

‘I always strongly believe that performances and results are a reflection of what is happening behind the doors. That wasn’t good enough.

‘Don’t forget that David Moyes was a respected manager over 11 years at Everton, but I tried to warn him: “You do realise that, with all respect to Everton, you’re going from a yacht to a cruise liner, and that’s how big the difference will be?”

‘It’s everything that surrounds the club – the players, the pressure, the performances. I think he’s underestimated that and unfortunately it’s cost him his position.’

‘It became evident to me after a few meetings with David Moyes about the upcoming season that he wanted to bring his own people in and do things in own way, and I felt very strongly that things would change dramatically for myself so I couldn’t carry on.

‘You have to look at a club like Manchester United and the job David Moyes took on as the exception and the rule. United are a very successful team with many successful years behind them. The strategies in place worked.

‘Sir Alex Ferguson had evolved over 26 years at Manchester United. He had the ultimate situation that any manager would want to manage a club of that size.

‘One of the massive qualities Sir Alex Ferguson had was to surround himself with experienced people but, more importantly to delegate to them. You can only do that if you can trust those people around you, and Sir Alex Ferguson did that. It created a lot of time and space for him on a daily basis.’

‘It’s really too crazy for words that we are talking about this,’ he said. ‘I’ve been part of the Manchester United backroom staff under Sir Alex Ferguson in the last five years that has proven to be the most successful period in the club’s history.

‘To now have a really poor season, dropping to seventh in the league table, out of the Champions League suddenly after so many years of constant success, that’s probably why the decision has been made.

‘Even before David Moyes had the job, I still think United had a fantastic squad with fantastic players. With the right additions it can still be a force very quickly, and next year they want to be challenging for the title again of course.’

United have installed Ryan Giggs as interim boss for the final four games of the season. Muelensteen, who was sacked as Fulham boss in February after 17 games in charge, is convinced the Old Trafford icon can be a top manager in the future.

He added: ‘It’s an important call for the club. First of all it was very difficult to part ways with David Moyes but more important is what they’re going to decide now for the future.

‘This is the right decision for sure to keep Ryan in place. He knows Manchester United inside out. He’s been part of United for so many years.

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Silahkan dianalisa sendiri. :ngacir:

irmamaee
27-04-2014, 03:00 AM
Mungkin ga mau ngejatohin reputasi Moyes juga makanya ga dibilang "fired" tp "leaves" jadi seolah-olah dia yg memberhentikan/mengundurkan diri

J. A. Adji
29-04-2014, 10:30 AM
I'm back ...
Seminggu yang sangat menyenangkan, setelah Moyes 'akhirnya' diberhentikan dari manajer MU ditambah kemenangan melawan Norwich yang sangat menghibur

Bulan febuari kemarin, ane pernah posting di trit tetangga yang sekarang udah ditutup soal kenapa alasan Moyes masih dipertahankan manajemen MU saat itu padahal secara performa sudah hancur lebur. Dua alasan yang utama ialah karena hari itu MU masih memiliki peluang finish di posisi empat besar di akhir musim, serta masih memiliki peluang untuk menjuarai UCL. Ane waktu itu memprediksi Moyes akan dipecat di bulan April atau Mei saat MU dgn catatan MU gagal finish di 4 besar dan gagal tembus final UCL. Agan troy andreas[/mention] bilang waktu itu akan menyimpan postingan gue di dalam hatinya,hahaha... Persis setelah MU kalah dari Everton dan dipastikan tidak dapat finish 4 besar, akhirnya Moyes diberhentikan.

Kenapa ane mengungkit soal postingan ane itu? Apakah ane mau bilang prediksi ane benar? Bukan itu intinya. Tapi ane mau menjelaskan soal kata banyak orang manajemen MU yang tidak memberikan Moyes banyak waktu dan menaruh ekspektasi terlalu tinggi di pundak DM. Jika benar demikian seperti yang ditudingkan oleh banyak orang, maka seharusnya Moyes sudah dipecat di bulan febuari kemarin saat MU tampil hancur-hancuran dan tersingkir dari dua kejuaraan (piala liga dan piala fa) hanya dalam hitungan hari.

Manajemen MU sudah memberikan banyak kepercayaan, waktu dan kesempatan untuk seorang DM. Jika kemudian ia dipecat hanya dalam waktu 10 bulan, itu bukan karena manajemen menginginkan sesuatu yang instan. Tapi tentu saja ada konsekuensi yang harus diambil jika kemudian Moyes tampil di bawah batas toleransi.

Apa yang terjadi dengan MU di tangan Moyes adalah penurunan drastis yang di luar akal pikiran sehat. Biar bagaimana pun, dengan tim yang ada hari ini, MU sebenarnya masih sanggup untuk finish di empat besar dan bersaing untuk menjadi juara.

Jadi sebenarnya manajemen MU tidak menuntutkan gelar juara di musim perdana DM. Tapi mereka menuntut untuk MU dapat tetap menjadi tim yang disegani. Kenyataannya Moyes membuat MU menjadi tim yang tidak disegani, maka akhirnya keputusan yang diambil manajemen kemudian adalah keputusan yang sangat tepat

Giggs menjadi Caretaker

Dipostingan ane yang sama, ane juga memprediksi MU akan mengangkat caretaker seandainya Moyes dipecat, untuk meneruskan sisa pertandingan. Tapi waktu itu ane menyebut nama Mike Phelan untuk menjadi caretaker. Dan ane salah di situ karena kenyataanya legenda hidup Ryan Giggs yang ditarik oleh manajemen.

Ada hal yang menarik paska penunjukan Ryan Giggs. Di latihan perdananya bersama tim, Giggs meminta pemain MU untuk bermain sebagaimana MU seharusnya dan kembali bermain dengan gaya menyerang. Lalu setelah mengalahkan Norwich ada satu lagi statement Giggs yang bikin saya tersenyum. Giggs mengatakan bahwa ia tidak dapat tidur untuk menentukan starting line up. Tapi kemudian Giggs menambahkan karena ia "percaya" pada seluruh pemainnya.

Dua statemen Giggs ini menurut ane bermuatan sindiran pada seorang David Moyes. Dengan kata lain sebenarnya Giggs ingin mengatakan MU sudah kehilangan roh sebagai MU dan kehilangan gaya menyerang di tangan Moyes, yang diyakini oleh Giggs sebagai alasan mengapa MU terpuruk sepanjang musim ini. Dan yang paling penting ialah Giggs ingin mengatakan bahwa kelemahan terbesar Moyes ialah, ia tidak pernah percaya dengan pemainnya.

Sejak awal musim memang Moyes terkesan tidak memberi kepercayaan pada beberapa pemain seperti Evra dan Zaha. Kita semua tentu melihat bagaimana ngototnya Moyes mendatangkan bek kiri di awal musim, sedangkan saat itu ia belum benar-benar mencoba kemampuan seorang Evra. Pun demikian dengan Zaha yang sama sekali tidak diberinya kesempatan. Tapi dari semuanya itu, bukti Moyes tidak mempercayai pemain2nya ialah saat ia mengeluarkan statemen, "Seandainya pun Sir Alex yang melatih MU hari ini, MU tetap bakalan terpuruk." Ini adalah statement paling konyol yang pernah Moyes keluarkan selama melatih MU. Dan akhirnya setelah Moyes keluar dari kursinya, Giggs pun memberikan sindirian soal dia yang "percaya" pada para pemainnya.

Dari apa yang kita lihat di pertandingan sabtu kemarin, sebenarnya dapat terlihat jelas apa yang menjadi kunci kegagalan MU musim ini. Sekalipun lawan Norwich tidak dapat menjadi acuan, tapi cara bermain dengan umpan2 pendek ditambah kecepatan yang diperagakan MU dibawah Giggs, menunjukan perbedaan permainan yang jomplang dari waktu MU ditangani Moyes.

Di tangan Giggs, antar lini MU jauh bermain lebih terencana dan terorganisir. Sedangkan di jaman Moyes, permainan MU sedikit lambat dengan aliran bola dengan mudah terbaca, ditambah permainan di antar lini sering berantakan karena renggangnya para pemain berdiri. Tidak salah bila kemudian MU musim ini terlihat sangat kesulitan menghadapi tim 4 besar yang bermain dengan kecepatan luar biasa.

Who will be a next manager?

Sekarang setelah Moyes dipecat pertanyaannya ialah, siapa yang akan menggantikannya musim depan? Banyak yang mengatakan MU harus cepat menemukan penggantinya agar persiapan musim depan tidak terlambat. Tapi ane punya analisa yang sedikit berbeda.

Pertama, musim lalu adalah musim pertama MU mengganti pelatih setelah 26 tahun. Waktu itu hanya dalam waktu seminggu MU sudah langsung mengumumkan Moyes menjadi pelatih selanjutnya dengan kontrak kerja 6 tahun. Faktanya, itu adalah sebuah keputusan terburu2 dari sebuah tim yang sudah begitu lama tidak melakukan pergantian pelatih.

Belajar dari pengalaman musim lalu, manajemen sepertinya akan lebih selektif dan dengan banyak pertimbangan dalam memilih pelatih musim ini. Ane prediksi kejelasan soal siapa pelatih MU akan didapat setelah Final UCL berakhir. Dan dua pelatih yang ada di final UCL bisa jadi menjadi kandidat terkuat sebagai pengganti Moyes, selain seorang pelatih timnas yang akan bebas kontrak setelah piala dunia.

Tak perlu khawatir soal lambatnya manajemen menunjuk pelatih baru. Di jaman sepakbola modern, sekalipun datang terlambat, asal orangnya memang berkualitas, maka hasilnya akan memuaskan.

Lalu ada pertanyaan bagaimana MU dapat mempersiapkan diri bila pengganti Moyes tak kunjung ditunjuk?

Hal itu pun tidak perlu dikhawatirkan. Pertama, karena aktivitas belanja musim ini baru akan ramai selepas piala dunia. Dari yang sudah2, biasanya pemain yang ikut piala dunia enggan berbicara soal masa depan sebelum piala dunia berakhir. Alasan utama mereka ialah supaya dapat berkonsentrasi di piala dunia. Sedangkan alasan terselubung mereka ialah, untuk menaikan harga jual seandainya mereka bermain bagus di piala dunia.

Kedua, entah mengapa ane kok punya firasat, musim panas ini MU gak akan mendatangkan banyak pemain, kecuali 1 orang bek untuk mengisi kekosongan yang ditinggalkan vidic. Posisi tidak bermain di UCL musim depan agak sedikit kurang menguntungkan buat MU untuk mendatangkan pemain baru. Pemain bagus mau datang pasti dengan iming2 gaji yang gila2an. Ane pnya firasat MU baru mulai belanja jor2an di bulan januari dan di musim panas tahun depan. Dengan skuad yang ada hari ini, ane masih yakin MU bisa finish di empat besar, asal pelatihnya tepat.

Siapa yang akan menjadi pengganti Moyes akan menjadi misteri yang akan terjawab menjelang atau setelah musim berakhir. Manajemen akan lebih sabar dalam menentukan pelatih yang baru dan tidak akan mengulangi kesalahan musim lalu yang begitu terburu2 dan gegabah. Dan selama itu, ada baiknya kita menikmati sisa musim dengan suguhan permainan menghibur seperti yang dijanjikan interim boss, Ryan Giggs

:beer:

fredrian.seven
29-04-2014, 11:04 AM
Selamat datang mas bro J. A. Adji; sayang momennya udah lewat. :)) Anda hilang disaat yang tepat. Klo kemaren2 bakal panas tuh thread. :))

Who will be a next manager?

Sekarang setelah Moyes dipecat pertanyaannya ialah, siapa yang akan menggantikannya musim depan? Banyak yang mengatakan MU harus cepat menemukan penggantinya agar persiapan musim depan tidak terlambat. Tapi ane punya analisa yang sedikit berbeda.

Pertama, musim lalu adalah musim pertama MU mengganti pelatih setelah 26 tahun. Waktu itu hanya dalam waktu seminggu MU sudah langsung mengumumkan Moyes menjadi pelatih selanjutnya dengan kontrak kerja 6 tahun. Faktanya, itu adalah sebuah keputusan terburu2 dari sebuah tim yang sudah begitu lama tidak melakukan pergantian pelatih.

Belajar dari pengalaman musim lalu, manajemen sepertinya akan lebih selektif dan dengan banyak pertimbangan dalam memilih pelatih musim ini. Ane prediksi kejelasan soal siapa pelatih MU akan didapat setelah Final UCL berakhir. Dan dua pelatih yang ada di final UCL bisa jadi menjadi kandidat terkuat sebagai pengganti Moyes, selain seorang pelatih timnas yang akan bebas kontrak setelah piala dunia.

Tak perlu khawatir soal lambatnya manajemen menunjuk pelatih baru. Di jaman sepakbola modern, sekalipun datang terlambat, asal orangnya memang berkualitas, maka hasilnya akan memuaskan.

Klo nggak salah penunjukan Moyes nggak cuma seminggu doang. Seingatku setelah mbaca biografi Ferguson, Fergie harus kasih keputusan mo pensiun atau nggak bulan Maret. Dan saat itu dari pembicaraan dengan Gill dan Glazer akhirnya sepakat pilih Moyes. Bener nggak nih om troy andreas; aku lupa2 ingat. Jadi penunjukan Moyes bukan keputusan seminggu. :D

Lalu ada pertanyaan bagaimana MU dapat mempersiapkan diri bila pengganti Moyes tak kunjung ditunjuk?

Hal itu pun tidak perlu dikhawatirkan. Pertama, karena aktivitas belanja musim ini baru akan ramai selepas piala dunia. Dari yang sudah2, biasanya pemain yang ikut piala dunia enggan berbicara soal masa depan sebelum piala dunia berakhir. Alasan utama mereka ialah supaya dapat berkonsentrasi di piala dunia. Sedangkan alasan terselubung mereka ialah, untuk menaikan harga jual seandainya mereka bermain bagus di piala dunia.

Kedua, entah mengapa ane kok punya firasat, musim panas ini MU gak akan mendatangkan banyak pemain, kecuali 1 orang bek untuk mengisi kekosongan yang ditinggalkan vidic. Posisi tidak bermain di UCL musim depan agak sedikit kurang menguntungkan buat MU untuk mendatangkan pemain baru. Pemain bagus mau datang pasti dengan iming2 gaji yang gila2an. Ane pnya firasat MU baru mulai belanja jor2an di bulan januari dan di musim panas tahun depan. Dengan skuad yang ada hari ini, ane masih yakin MU bisa finish di empat besar, asal pelatihnya tepat.

Pertama, bener klo pemaen bakal konsen ke timnas dan mereka (plus klub pastinya) ingin kenaikan harga jual. Tapi itu juga kan yang nggak dimaui Glazer, kenaikan harga. Moyes aja dipecat menunggu United bener2 nggak lolos UCL biar bisa mbayar kompensasi kecil kok, lha ini segera nunggu harga naik. Rasanya mereka (Glazer dan anak buahnya) ingin segera belanja sebelum piala dunia.

Kedua, Nggak kebayang klo United hanya beli pengganti Vida aja disaat Rio dan Evra butuh pengganti. Blom lagi trio winger yang nggak jelas kualitasnya dan sering di-bully. Tapi tetap ada alasan United nggak butuh belanja besar, United kan nggak maen di eropa. Jadi nggak butuh skuad gemuk2. Itu2 aja yang maen tiap pekan juga cukup. :))

Siapa yang akan menjadi pengganti Moyes akan menjadi misteri yang akan terjawab menjelang atau setelah musim berakhir. Manajemen akan lebih sabar dalam menentukan pelatih yang baru dan tidak akan mengulangi kesalahan musim lalu yang begitu terburu2 dan gegabah. Dan selama itu, ada baiknya kita menikmati sisa musim dengan suguhan permainan menghibur seperti yang dijanjikan interim boss, Ryan Giggs

:beer:

Kok rasa2nya siapa manajer udah hampir pasti. Firasat aja sih. Tinggal nego2nya aja. :D

Shi no Gekai
29-04-2014, 12:30 PM
Kok rasa2nya siapa manajer udah hampir pasti. Firasat aja sih. Tinggal nego2nya aja. :D
bukannya udah deal?cuma lagi nunggu waktu yang tepat untuk diumumkan di publik..
kan selama ini prosesnya backstreet..

emang pacaran :)) :))

J. A. Adji
29-04-2014, 03:52 PM
Selamat datang mas bro @J. A. Adji (http://www.unitedindonesia.org/forum/member.php?u=84973); sayang momennya udah lewat. :)) Anda hilang disaat yang tepat. Klo kemaren2 bakal panas tuh thread. :))

Klo nggak salah penunjukan Moyes nggak cuma seminggu doang. Seingatku setelah mbaca biografi Ferguson, Fergie harus kasih keputusan mo pensiun atau nggak bulan Maret. Dan saat itu dari pembicaraan dengan Gill dan Glazer akhirnya sepakat pilih Moyes. Bener nggak nih om @troy andreas (http://www.unitedindonesia.org/forum/member.php?u=3667); aku lupa2 ingat. Jadi penunjukan Moyes bukan keputusan seminggu. :D


Terima kasih atas sambutannya masbro fredrian.seven[/mention], saya terpaksa memang harus dihilangkan karena saya bukan orang yang murah hati dan tidak suka memberi pada ... =))



Pertama, bener klo pemaen bakal konsen ke timnas dan mereka (plus klub pastinya) ingin kenaikan harga jual. Tapi itu juga kan yang nggak dimaui Glazer, kenaikan harga. Moyes aja dipecat menunggu United bener2 nggak lolos UCL biar bisa mbayar kompensasi kecil kok, lha ini segera nunggu harga naik. Rasanya mereka (Glazer dan anak buahnya) ingin segera belanja sebelum piala dunia.


Masalahnya keputusan belanja bukan hanya ditangan United. Pun seandainya United mau belanja, tp kalau agen pemain yang diincar mengatakan tgg setelah piala dunia saja, keluarga glazer sekalipun gak bisa berkata apa2 kan?

Inti dari saya menuliskan soal tren belanja di musim piala dunia, tidak saya ambil dari sudut pandang Glazer, tapi saya ambil dari sudut pandang pemain incaran. Karena memang sebelum piala dunia, sekalipun klub getol mau beli pemain, klo pemain dan agennya gak mau negosiasi dan menunggu selese piala dunia, klub bisa apa?

Jadi pemain2 bagus itu biasanya tersedia (mau bernegosiasi) setelah piala dunia.


Kedua, Nggak kebayang klo United hanya beli pengganti Vida aja disaat Rio dan Evra butuh pengganti. Blom lagi trio winger yang nggak jelas kualitasnya dan sering di-bully. Tapi tetap ada alasan United nggak butuh belanja besar, United kan nggak maen di eropa. Jadi nggak butuh skuad gemuk2. Itu2 aja yang maen tiap pekan juga cukup. :))


Pemain2 yang bung bilang itu keliatan tambah jelek karena sepuluh bulan terakhir mereka salah asuh =))

Tapi seandainya pun mereka sudah menurun, tapi tetap saja mereka masih pemain yang dapat bersaing di empat besar (IMO). Ferdinand mgkin tidak akan selalu jadi pilihan pertama, karena Evans, Jones dan Smailling masih bisa membantu. Tpi memang United butuh satu bek tengah untuk mengganti Vidic.

Ane sih masih pegang satu statemen dari Sir Alex dan Gill di tahun 2011-2012. Klo menurut kedua orang ini, siapa yang cocok menggantikan Sir Alex di MU adalah dia yang tidak merombak tim ini besar2an.


Kok rasa2nya siapa manajer udah hampir pasti. Firasat aja sih. Tinggal nego2nya aja. :D

Saya juga awalnya memiliki firasat yang sama dengan anda. Tapi kemudian saya teringat, ada empat tim yang masih berlaga di semifinal UCL dan akan ke final UCL. Sekalipun keempat pelatih klub2 tersebut masih terikat kontrak dengan klub mereka, dan yang sesuai firasat bakal nganggur abis piala dunia, tapi kok firasat ane yang lain mengatakan semuanya akan jelas setelah selesai final UCL dan tahu siapa juaranya :beer:

fredrian.seven
29-04-2014, 04:44 PM
Masalahnya keputusan belanja bukan hanya ditangan United. Pun seandainya United mau belanja, tp kalau agen pemain yang diincar mengatakan tgg setelah piala dunia saja, keluarga glazer sekalipun gak bisa berkata apa2 kan?

Inti dari saya menuliskan soal tren belanja di musim piala dunia, tidak saya ambil dari sudut pandang Glazer, tapi saya ambil dari sudut pandang pemain incaran. Karena memang sebelum piala dunia, sekalipun klub getol mau beli pemain, klo pemain dan agennya gak mau negosiasi dan menunggu selese piala dunia, klub bisa apa?

Jadi pemain2 bagus itu biasanya tersedia (mau bernegosiasi) setelah piala dunia.


Klo gitu tinggal nunggu aja...

Pemain2 yang bung bilang itu keliatan tambah jelek karena sepuluh bulan terakhir mereka salah asuh =))

Tapi seandainya pun mereka sudah menurun, tapi tetap saja mereka masih pemain yang dapat bersaing di empat besar (IMO). Ferdinand mgkin tidak akan selalu jadi pilihan pertama, karena Evans, Jones dan Smailling masih bisa membantu. Tpi memang United butuh satu bek tengah untuk mengganti Vidic.

Ane sih masih pegang satu statemen dari Sir Alex dan Gill di tahun 2011-2012. Klo menurut kedua orang ini, siapa yang cocok menggantikan Sir Alex di MU adalah dia yang tidak merombak tim ini besar2an.

:))

Seingat saya trio winger dah ancur sejak musim lalu. Nggak salah asuhan musim ini aja.

Klo CB sih kenapa aku harap beli karena trio CB muda United doyan cedera. Lagi2 nggak hanya melihat musim ini tapi musim2 sebelumnya. Klo cuma dilapis Rio ya was2. :D

Sayangnya Gill dan Fergie nggak bisa melihat masa depan. Klo mereka bisa meramal masa depan tentunya kata2 mereka bisa dipegang. Lha milih calon manajer baru aja "ramalan" mereka mbeleset. :hammer: lihat kondisi terkini aja. Klo butuh tambahan tenaga ya ditambah, meski nggak perlu rombak besar2an seperti eks-manajer sebelumnya. Dan menurutku ya tetap butuh beberapa pemaen khususnya lini belakang dan tengah :))


Saya juga awalnya memiliki firasat yang sama dengan anda. Tapi kemudian saya teringat, ada empat tim yang masih berlaga di semifinal UCL dan akan ke final UCL. Sekalipun keempat pelatih klub2 tersebut masih terikat kontrak dengan klub mereka, dan yang sesuai firasat bakal nganggur abis piala dunia, tapi kok firasat ane yang lain mengatakan semuanya akan jelas setelah selesai final UCL dan tahu siapa juaranya :beer:

Masalahnya keputusan pilih manajer bukan hanya ditangan United. Pun seandainya United mau pilih manajer, tp kalau si manajer dan si klub sana mengatakan tidak, keluarga glazer sekalipun gak bisa berkata apa2 kan?

Jadi, sejauh ini hanya ada 1 manajer yang dengan tangan terbuka mau masuk. Sisa2nya cuma sebatas harapan fans meski nggak salah klo berharap (sama seperti manajer harapanku meski udah ditolak) :))

troy andreas
29-04-2014, 08:55 PM
I'm back ...

Bulan febuari kemarin, ane pernah posting di trit tetangga yang sekarang udah ditutup soal kenapa alasan Moyes masih dipertahankan manajemen MU saat itu padahal secara performa sudah hancur lebur. Dua alasan yang utama ialah karena hari itu MU masih memiliki peluang finish di posisi empat besar di akhir musim, serta masih memiliki peluang untuk menjuarai UCL. Ane waktu itu memprediksi Moyes akan dipecat di bulan April atau Mei saat MU dgn catatan MU gagal finish di 4 besar dan gagal tembus final UCL. Agan troy andreas bilang waktu itu akan menyimpan postingan gue di dalam hatinya,hahaha... Persis setelah MU kalah dari Everton dan dipastikan tidak dapat finish 4 besar, akhirnya Moyes diberhentikan.

Kenapa ane mengungkit soal postingan ane itu? Apakah ane mau bilang prediksi ane benar? Bukan itu intinya. Tapi ane mau menjelaskan soal kata banyak orang manajemen MU yang tidak memberikan Moyes banyak waktu dan menaruh ekspektasi terlalu tinggi di pundak DM. Jika benar demikian seperti yang ditudingkan oleh banyak orang, maka seharusnya Moyes sudah dipecat di bulan febuari kemarin saat MU tampil hancur-hancuran dan tersingkir dari dua kejuaraan (piala liga dan piala fa) hanya dalam hitungan hari.

Manajemen MU sudah memberikan banyak kepercayaan, waktu dan kesempatan untuk seorang DM. Jika kemudian ia dipecat hanya dalam waktu 10 bulan, itu bukan karena manajemen menginginkan sesuatu yang instan. Tapi tentu saja ada konsekuensi yang harus diambil jika kemudian Moyes tampil di bawah batas toleransi.




Saya masih ingat mas bro, tapi saya juga masih ingat setelah postingan tersebut mas bro tetap berkoar- koar "kampanye" menurunkan Moyes, sepertinya gak sabar dengan isi postingan waktu itu. :P

Apa yang terjadi dengan MU di tangan Moyes adalah penurunan drastis yang di luar akal pikiran sehat. Biar bagaimana pun, dengan tim yang ada hari ini, MU sebenarnya masih sanggup untuk finish di empat besar dan bersaing untuk menjadi juara.

Jadi sebenarnya manajemen MU tidak menuntutkan gelar juara di musim perdana DM. Tapi mereka menuntut untuk MU dapat tetap menjadi tim yang disegani. Kenyataannya Moyes membuat MU menjadi tim yang tidak disegani, maka akhirnya keputusan yang diambil manajemen kemudian adalah keputusan yang sangat tepat


Saya sudah pernah postingan mengenai artikel

David Moyes – Are Manchester United too big for him? (http://www.unitedindonesia.org/forum/showpost.php?p=560900&postcount=263)

Yang menurut saya artikel tersebut cukup relevan bisa diterima. Juga setelah baca komentar Rene Meulensten seminggu yang lalu mengenai nasehatnya yang ditolak Moyes jadi semakin mantap dengan pemikiran awal bahwa staff yang dibawanya itu gak cukup kuat menopang David Moyes dan itu terbukti kan.


Giggs menjadi Caretaker

Dipostingan ane yang sama, ane juga memprediksi MU akan mengangkat caretaker seandainya Moyes dipecat, untuk meneruskan sisa pertandingan. Tapi waktu itu ane menyebut nama Mike Phelan untuk menjadi caretaker. Dan ane salah di situ karena kenyataanya legenda hidup Ryan Giggs yang ditarik oleh manajemen.

Ada hal yang menarik paska penunjukan Ryan Giggs. Di latihan perdananya bersama tim, Giggs meminta pemain MU untuk bermain sebagaimana MU seharusnya dan kembali bermain dengan gaya menyerang. Lalu setelah mengalahkan Norwich ada satu lagi statement Giggs yang bikin saya tersenyum. Giggs mengatakan bahwa ia tidak dapat tidur untuk menentukan starting line up. Tapi kemudian Giggs menambahkan karena ia "percaya" pada seluruh pemainnya.

Dua statemen Giggs ini menurut ane bermuatan sindiran pada seorang David Moyes. Dengan kata lain sebenarnya Giggs ingin mengatakan MU sudah kehilangan roh sebagai MU dan kehilangan gaya menyerang di tangan Moyes, yang diyakini oleh Giggs sebagai alasan mengapa MU terpuruk sepanjang musim ini. Dan yang paling penting ialah Giggs ingin mengatakan bahwa kelemahan terbesar Moyes ialah, ia tidak pernah percaya dengan pemainnya.

Sejak awal musim memang Moyes terkesan tidak memberi kepercayaan pada beberapa pemain seperti Evra dan Zaha. Kita semua tentu melihat bagaimana ngototnya Moyes mendatangkan bek kiri di awal musim, sedangkan saat itu ia belum benar-benar mencoba kemampuan seorang Evra. Pun demikian dengan Zaha yang sama sekali tidak diberinya kesempatan. Tapi dari semuanya itu, bukti Moyes tidak mempercayai pemain2nya ialah saat ia mengeluarkan statemen, "Seandainya pun Sir Alex yang melatih MU hari ini, MU tetap bakalan terpuruk." Ini adalah statement paling konyol yang pernah Moyes keluarkan selama melatih MU. Dan akhirnya setelah Moyes keluar dari kursinya, Giggs pun memberikan sindirian soal dia yang "percaya" pada para pemainnya.

Dari apa yang kita lihat di pertandingan sabtu kemarin, sebenarnya dapat terlihat jelas apa yang menjadi kunci kegagalan MU musim ini. Sekalipun lawan Norwich tidak dapat menjadi acuan, tapi cara bermain dengan umpan2 pendek ditambah kecepatan yang diperagakan MU dibawah Giggs, menunjukan perbedaan permainan yang jomplang dari waktu MU ditangani Moyes.

Di tangan Giggs, antar lini MU jauh bermain lebih terencana dan terorganisir. Sedangkan di jaman Moyes, permainan MU sedikit lambat dengan aliran bola dengan mudah terbaca, ditambah permainan di antar lini sering berantakan karena renggangnya para pemain berdiri. Tidak salah bila kemudian MU musim ini terlihat sangat kesulitan menghadapi tim 4 besar yang bermain dengan kecepatan luar biasa.


Soal kepercayaan pada pemain saya setuju, tentu saja jika saya juga ada diposisi Evra akan tersinggu, pemain yang telah menangkan banyak gelar dengan United dihargai hanya seperti itu. Tentu saja menurunkan kepercayaan dirinya. Walau Evra sudah tua, namun menurut saya terlalu dini memang Moyes mengeluarkan statement (tanpa secara langsung) bahwa United lemah diposisi yang ditempati Evra. Juga soal Zaha, Lingard, Cleverley, Hernandez dkk.

Selain kepercayaan yang sudah dibilang oleh Evra, Rooney & Lindegaard, semua pemain respect sama Giggs, pertanyaannya apakah hal tersebut dilakukan pemain pada Moyes? Kalau sudah gak percaya gimana mau main maksimal, apapun strategi yang Moyes bilang tanpa dasar "Percaya" gak akan maksimal. Menurut saya itu titik lemahnya, jangan juga salahkan sepenuhnya ke Moyes.




Who will be a next manager?

Sekarang setelah Moyes dipecat pertanyaannya ialah, siapa yang akan menggantikannya musim depan? Banyak yang mengatakan MU harus cepat menemukan penggantinya agar persiapan musim depan tidak terlambat. Tapi ane punya analisa yang sedikit berbeda.

Pertama, musim lalu adalah musim pertama MU mengganti pelatih setelah 26 tahun. Waktu itu hanya dalam waktu seminggu MU sudah langsung mengumumkan Moyes menjadi pelatih selanjutnya dengan kontrak kerja 6 tahun. Faktanya, itu adalah sebuah keputusan terburu2 dari sebuah tim yang sudah begitu lama tidak melakukan pergantian pelatih.

Belajar dari pengalaman musim lalu, manajemen sepertinya akan lebih selektif dan dengan banyak pertimbangan dalam memilih pelatih musim ini. Ane prediksi kejelasan soal siapa pelatih MU akan didapat setelah Final UCL berakhir. Dan dua pelatih yang ada di final UCL bisa jadi menjadi kandidat terkuat sebagai pengganti Moyes, selain seorang pelatih timnas yang akan bebas kontrak setelah piala dunia.

Tak perlu khawatir soal lambatnya manajemen menunjuk pelatih baru. Di jaman sepakbola modern, sekalipun datang terlambat, asal orangnya memang berkualitas, maka hasilnya akan memuaskan.

Lalu ada pertanyaan bagaimana MU dapat mempersiapkan diri bila pengganti Moyes tak kunjung ditunjuk?

Hal itu pun tidak perlu dikhawatirkan. Pertama, karena aktivitas belanja musim ini baru akan ramai selepas piala dunia. Dari yang sudah2, biasanya pemain yang ikut piala dunia enggan berbicara soal masa depan sebelum piala dunia berakhir. Alasan utama mereka ialah supaya dapat berkonsentrasi di piala dunia. Sedangkan alasan terselubung mereka ialah, untuk menaikan harga jual seandainya mereka bermain bagus di piala dunia.

Kedua, entah mengapa ane kok punya firasat, musim panas ini MU gak akan mendatangkan banyak pemain, kecuali 1 orang bek untuk mengisi kekosongan yang ditinggalkan vidic. Posisi tidak bermain di UCL musim depan agak sedikit kurang menguntungkan buat MU untuk mendatangkan pemain baru. Pemain bagus mau datang pasti dengan iming2 gaji yang gila2an. Ane pnya firasat MU baru mulai belanja jor2an di bulan januari dan di musim panas tahun depan. Dengan skuad yang ada hari ini, ane masih yakin MU bisa finish di empat besar, asal pelatihnya tepat.

Siapa yang akan menjadi pengganti Moyes akan menjadi misteri yang akan terjawab menjelang atau setelah musim berakhir. Manajemen akan lebih sabar dalam menentukan pelatih yang baru dan tidak akan mengulangi kesalahan musim lalu yang begitu terburu2 dan gegabah. Dan selama itu, ada baiknya kita menikmati sisa musim dengan suguhan permainan menghibur seperti yang dijanjikan interim boss, Ryan Giggs

:beer:

mas bro Adji sedikit keliru, benar apa yang dibilang om Dedi



Klo nggak salah penunjukan Moyes nggak cuma seminggu doang. Seingatku setelah mbaca biografi Ferguson, Fergie harus kasih keputusan mo pensiun atau nggak bulan Maret. Dan saat itu dari pembicaraan dengan Gill dan Glazer akhirnya sepakat pilih Moyes. Bener nggak nih om troy andreas aku lupa2 ingat. Jadi penunjukan Moyes bukan keputusan seminggu. :D




Keputusan menunjuk Moyes sudah ada dari bulan Maret, SAF yang minta Moyes datang kerumahnya, dan itu bukan karena keputusan yang buru- buru. Disebutkan dibuku SAF, ada beberapa nama namun manajemen setuju dengan David Moyes.



Pertama, bener klo pemaen bakal konsen ke timnas dan mereka (plus klub pastinya) ingin kenaikan harga jual. Tapi itu juga kan yang nggak dimaui Glazer, kenaikan harga. Moyes aja dipecat menunggu United bener2 nggak lolos UCL biar bisa mbayar kompensasi kecil kok, lha ini segera nunggu harga naik. Rasanya mereka (Glazer dan anak buahnya) ingin segera belanja sebelum piala dunia.

Kedua, Nggak kebayang klo United hanya beli pengganti Vida aja disaat Rio dan Evra butuh pengganti. Blom lagi trio winger yang nggak jelas kualitasnya dan sering di-bully. Tapi tetap ada alasan United nggak butuh belanja besar, United kan nggak maen di eropa. Jadi nggak butuh skuad gemuk2. Itu2 aja yang maen tiap pekan juga cukup. :))



Kok rasa2nya siapa manajer udah hampir pasti. Firasat aja sih. Tinggal nego2nya aja. :D

Nah, mas bro Adji mungkin karena liburan seminggu update tukeran informasinya berkurang, apa yang disebut om Dedi di poin yang pertama ada hubungannya dengan postingan Gekai waktu lalu soal kompensasi ke Moyes, keluarga Glazer terlalu hitung- hitungan. Mungkin om Adji bisa baca lagi postingan bro Gekai supaya jelas isinya seperti apa, Moyes ditunda pemecatannya karena masalah dum- dum.

Sudah hampir pasti Louis van Gaal akan tangani United, selain Gullit, Rijkaard, juga staff humas timnas Belanda, terakhir van Der Sar juga sudah angkat suara soal LVG.

Van der Sar: "I'll say more about Louis & United once his appointment his official. Van Gaal is the best manager I've ever played for."

Kees Jansma (Humas timnas Belanda): "I spoke to LVG on Friday. He told me nothing is definite yet. However, there is something going on with MUFC."

Rumor yang beredar ada 4 pemain incaran LVG, Rumor juga bilang Rio gak akan diperpanjang kontraknya. Selanjutnya silahkan mas bro Adji analisa kembali deh nanti kita diskusi lagi. ;)

J. A. Adji
30-04-2014, 12:39 AM
Klo gitu tinggal nunggu aja...



:))

Seingat saya trio winger dah ancur sejak musim lalu. Nggak salah asuhan musim ini aja.

Klo CB sih kenapa aku harap beli karena trio CB muda United doyan cedera. Lagi2 nggak hanya melihat musim ini tapi musim2 sebelumnya. Klo cuma dilapis Rio ya was2. :D

Sayangnya Gill dan Fergie nggak bisa melihat masa depan. Klo mereka bisa meramal masa depan tentunya kata2 mereka bisa dipegang. Lha milih calon manajer baru aja "ramalan" mereka mbeleset. :hammer: lihat kondisi terkini aja. Klo butuh tambahan tenaga ya ditambah, meski nggak perlu rombak besar2an seperti eks-manajer sebelumnya. Dan menurutku ya tetap butuh beberapa pemaen khususnya lini belakang dan tengah :))




Masalahnya keputusan pilih manajer bukan hanya ditangan United. Pun seandainya United mau pilih manajer, tp kalau si manajer dan si klub sana mengatakan tidak, keluarga glazer sekalipun gak bisa berkata apa2 kan?

Jadi, sejauh ini hanya ada 1 manajer yang dengan tangan terbuka mau masuk. Sisa2nya cuma sebatas harapan fans meski nggak salah klo berharap (sama seperti manajer harapanku meski udah ditolak) :))

Klo yang biasanya terjadi selama ini, menarik manajer lebih gampang daripada menarik pemain bung.

Apalagi manajer yang baru saja membawa timnya juara UCL, biasanya mereka mencari tantangan baru (Karena yang seperti Ferguson itu gak banyak hari gini). Lihat saja Guordiola yang sudah mapan bersama Barca memutuskan untuk tidak memperpanjang kontrak. Manajer itu cukup diiming2 dengan gaji bagus dan uang belanja yang bagus mereka bisa mudah pindah ke lain hati. Yang penting nawarinnya pas mereka sudah selesai dengan semua kompetisi, jadi gak menganggu konsentrasi mereka.

Oh iya soal manajer favorit bung yang kabarnya sudah menolak, tenang aja bung selesai kompetisi bisa berubah kok bung. Kan sedikit kurang etis manajer yang lagi menjalani kompetisi mengatakan berminat gabung dengan klub lain ketika timnya masih berjuang di liga. Dan salah satu yang melakukan hal kurang etis itu ialah DM. Jelas lah doi kan emang gak terlalu profesional.

Ane sih bicara dari mengamati tingkah polahnya Chelsea dan City yang selama ini membajak manajer2 besar, sekalipun kelihatannya mustahil. Musim lalu, Mourinho dan Pallegrini selalu mengatakan tidak pada Chelsea dan City. Tapi setelah kompetisi berakhir. Mereka pada berubah kok. Atau dengan Ancelloti dengan Madrid juga seperti itu. Ane lupa Ancelloti itu dipecat psg apa kabur dari PSG. Tapi selama musim masih berjalan Ancelloti selalu mengatakan tidak pada Madrid, setelah musim berakhir. Siapa yang tahu?

Kunci pelatih itu cuma dua, gaji yang baik dan uang belanja yang besar.:peace:

troy andreas
30-04-2014, 12:14 PM
Klo yang biasanya terjadi selama ini, menarik manajer lebih gampang daripada menarik pemain bung.

Apalagi manajer yang baru saja membawa timnya juara UCL, biasanya mereka mencari tantangan baru (Karena yang seperti Ferguson itu gak banyak hari gini). Lihat saja Guordiola yang sudah mapan bersama Barca memutuskan untuk tidak memperpanjang kontrak. Manajer itu cukup diiming2 dengan gaji bagus dan uang belanja yang bagus mereka bisa mudah pindah ke lain hati. Yang penting nawarinnya pas mereka sudah selesai dengan semua kompetisi, jadi gak menganggu konsentrasi mereka.

Oh iya soal manajer favorit bung yang kabarnya sudah menolak, tenang aja bung selesai kompetisi bisa berubah kok bung. Kan sedikit kurang etis manajer yang lagi menjalani kompetisi mengatakan berminat gabung dengan klub lain ketika timnya masih berjuang di liga. Dan salah satu yang melakukan hal kurang etis itu ialah DM. Jelas lah doi kan emang gak terlalu profesional.

Ane sih bicara dari mengamati tingkah polahnya Chelsea dan City yang selama ini membajak manajer2 besar, sekalipun kelihatannya mustahil. Musim lalu, Mourinho dan Pallegrini selalu mengatakan tidak pada Chelsea dan City. Tapi setelah kompetisi berakhir. Mereka pada berubah kok. Atau dengan Ancelloti dengan Madrid juga seperti itu. Ane lupa Ancelloti itu dipecat psg apa kabur dari PSG. Tapi selama musim masih berjalan Ancelloti selalu mengatakan tidak pada Madrid, setelah musim berakhir. Siapa yang tahu?

Kunci pelatih itu cuma dua, gaji yang baik dan uang belanja yang besar.:peace:

Manager jagoan om Adji sudah dikalahkan Ronaldo cs, jadi "calon" manager yang akan menangkan UCL tinggal ada Mourinho, Simeone & Ancelloti. Mou sudah bilang gak akan tinggalkan Chelsea demi United, Ancelotti juga demikian untuk Madrid, tinggal ada Simeone yang masih dibenci public Inggris karena kasus dengan Beckham dulu. Nah? :siul:

red_girl_mia
30-04-2014, 03:54 PM
terpaksa manager interim sampai 5 musim #eh (http://www.unitedindonesia.org/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=eh) :)))

J. A. Adji
01-05-2014, 02:38 AM
Manager jagoan om Adji sudah dikalahkan Ronaldo cs, jadi "calon" manager yang akan menangkan UCL tinggal ada Mourinho, Simeone & Ancelloti. Mou sudah bilang gak akan tinggalkan Chelsea demi United, Ancelotti juga demikian untuk Madrid, tinggal ada Simeone yang masih dibenci public Inggris karena kasus dengan Beckham dulu. Nah? :siul:

Manager jagoan saya? hehehe...

Perasaan di forum tetangga yang lagi rame, ane gak ada menyebut nama Pep, coba dibaca lagi. Bahkan semalam sebelum Bayern diselesaikan madrid, ane posting empat nama manajer jagoan ane diantaranya Giggs, LVG, Conte dan Rudi Garcia.

Trus diakhir postingan ane janji (yang belum sempat ane lakuin) masih ada tiga manajer jagoan ane yang lagi berlaga di semi UCL, tiga nama itu adalah Ancelotti, Mourinho sama Simeone. om Troy boleh cek di trit sebelah postingan ane kemarin dan jam-nya. Di postingan ane itu gak ada nama Pep om.

Soal Mourinho n Ancelotti bicara gak akan meninggalkan Chelsea dan Madrid untuk MU? Masa sih om troy percaya gitu aja?

Kan gak mungkin Ancelotti bilang dia siap jadi manajer MU musim depan, bisa2 skor 0-4 tadi malam jadi kebalik lagi gara2 timnya galau. Gitu juga sama Mourinho.

Please d om troy, Mou sama Ancelotti itu masih ngincar gelar juara sama Chelsea dan Madrid sampai akhir musim. Mereka masih perlu menjaga mental timnya. Ane justru gak akan setuju ama keduanya klo mereka sampai dengan 'bodoh' mengatakan akan ke MU padahal timnya sedang berjuang merebut gelar.

MU butuh manajer yang seperti Mou n Ancelotti yang bisa menguasai media dengan baik dan tahu bagaimana menjaga mental pemain.

:beer:

fredrian.seven
01-05-2014, 04:38 AM
Om troy andreas; manajer paporit om J. A. Adji; tuh Antonio Conte. :D

J. A. Adji
01-05-2014, 10:59 AM
Om @troy andreas (http://www.unitedindonesia.org/forum/member.php?u=3667); manajer paporit om @J. A. Adji (http://www.unitedindonesia.org/forum/member.php?u=84973); tuh Antonio Conte. :D

Nama2 manajer favorit saya ada di trit sebelah, n bener Antonio Conte salah satunya. Alasannya karena Conte sudah terbukti tokcer mengembalikan tim yang terpuruk kembali ke jalur juara.

Tapi yang buat ane suka sama Conte yaitu cara dia mengkombinasikan pemain tua muda di Juve. Cocok kan sama MU yang juga diisi pemain tua dan muda :D

Dengan alasan yang sama juga ane suka sama Rudi Garcia. Emang sih namanya jarang muncul di media. N kemungkinannya jadi manajer MU juga kecil banget. Tapi Garcia juga punya pengalaman mendobrak dominasi klub besar di prancis dan berhasil mengangkat roma yang terpuruk musim sebelumnya sebentar saja. Dan tentu saja karena doi terbukti sanggup menggabungkan tua muda, serta menghidupkan kembali pemain yang sudah dianggap habis

Jadi curhat di salah trit dah ane :peace:

troy andreas
02-05-2014, 02:33 PM
Manager jagoan saya? hehehe...

Perasaan di forum tetangga yang lagi rame, ane gak ada menyebut nama Pep, coba dibaca lagi. Bahkan semalam sebelum Bayern diselesaikan madrid, ane posting empat nama manajer jagoan ane diantaranya Giggs, LVG, Conte dan Rudi Garcia.

Trus diakhir postingan ane janji (yang belum sempat ane lakuin) masih ada tiga manajer jagoan ane yang lagi berlaga di semi UCL, tiga nama itu adalah Ancelotti, Mourinho sama Simeone. om Troy boleh cek di trit sebelah postingan ane kemarin dan jam-nya. Di postingan ane itu gak ada nama Pep om.

Soal Mourinho n Ancelotti bicara gak akan meninggalkan Chelsea dan Madrid untuk MU? Masa sih om troy percaya gitu aja?

Kan gak mungkin Ancelotti bilang dia siap jadi manajer MU musim depan, bisa2 skor 0-4 tadi malam jadi kebalik lagi gara2 timnya galau. Gitu juga sama Mourinho.

Please d om troy, Mou sama Ancelotti itu masih ngincar gelar juara sama Chelsea dan Madrid sampai akhir musim. Mereka masih perlu menjaga mental timnya. Ane justru gak akan setuju ama keduanya klo mereka sampai dengan 'bodoh' mengatakan akan ke MU padahal timnya sedang berjuang merebut gelar.

MU butuh manajer yang seperti Mou n Ancelotti yang bisa menguasai media dengan baik dan tahu bagaimana menjaga mental pemain.

:beer:

Om troy andreas; manajer paporit om J. A. Adji; tuh Antonio Conte. :D

Saya sudah lama tidak main ke forum sebelah om, jg kalau kesana gak tau user name om Adji disana jadi memang saya gak tau apa yang om Adji tulis disana. Tapi diatas om Adji bilang soal calon manager United:

Apalagi manajer yang baru saja membawa timnya juara UCL, biasanya mereka mencari tantangan baru (Karena yang seperti Ferguson itu gak banyak hari gini). Lihat saja Guordiola yang sudah mapan bersama Barca memutuskan untuk tidak memperpanjang kontrak. Manajer itu cukup diiming2 dengan gaji bagus dan uang belanja yang bagus mereka bisa mudah pindah ke lain hati. Yang penting nawarinnya pas mereka sudah selesai dengan semua kompetisi, jadi gak menganggu konsentrasi mereka.

Jadi saya berpikirnya Guardiola (Munchen), Ancelotti (Madrid), Mourinho (Chelsea) & Simeone (Atletico). Gak disebut calon juara Limajum kan?

Kalau Conte saya masih ingat postingan om Adji itu, tapi skali lagi saya pernah berbincang dengan teman aktifis forum Juventini soal Conte ke United, dia ketawa & bilang gak mungkin dengan alasan- alasan yang masuk akal, salah satunya Conte terlalu cinta Juve dibanding cari prestasi pribadi sebagai manager kaya Guardiola yang tinggalkan Barca. :)

Hanya coba realistis saja dengan alasan tersebut, saya pun jadi percaya.

Soal Mou & Ancelotti, saya juga gak akan menolak mereka seandainya mereka jadi manager United, tapi saya coba realistis saja dengan kemungkinan yang ada, unggulan terbesar yang beredar sejauh ini hanya ada LVG & Giggs, belum lagi pilihan fans kebanyakan yang jatuh pada nama Jurgen Klopp.

Adum saleh
05-05-2014, 07:52 PM
Saya sudah lama tidak main ke forum sebelah om, jg kalau kesana gak tau user name om Adji disana jadi memang saya gak tau apa yang om Adji tulis disana. Tapi diatas om Adji bilang soal calon manager United:



Jadi saya berpikirnya Guardiola (Munchen), Ancelotti (Madrid), Mourinho (Chelsea) & Simeone (Atletico). Gak disebut calon juara Limajum kan?

Kalau Conte saya masih ingat postingan om Adji itu, tapi skali lagi saya pernah berbincang dengan teman aktifis forum Juventini soal Conte ke United, dia ketawa & bilang gak mungkin dengan alasan- alasan yang masuk akal, salah satunya Conte terlalu cinta Juve dibanding cari prestasi pribadi sebagai manager kaya Guardiola yang tinggalkan Barca. :)

Hanya coba realistis saja dengan alasan tersebut, saya pun jadi percaya.

Soal Mou & Ancelotti, saya juga gak akan menolak mereka seandainya mereka jadi manager United, tapi saya coba realistis saja dengan kemungkinan yang ada, unggulan terbesar yang beredar sejauh ini hanya ada LVG & Giggs, belum lagi pilihan fans kebanyakan yang jatuh pada nama Jurgen Klopp.

Siapapun manajer musim depan. itu lah yang terbaik bagi :ui4: #GGMU (http://www.unitedindonesia.org/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=GGMU) :ui2::ui2:

fredrian.seven
07-05-2014, 09:31 AM
Artikel menarik nih...

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Who is to blame for Moyes' sacking: Ferguson, the Glazers or Woodward?
theguardian.com - Owen Gibson

Few could argue that David Moyes was not ultimately the architect of his own downfall. But he was far from the only person culpable in a comedy of errors that has seen England's biggest club plummet from league champions to also-rans within 10 tumultuous months.

Moyes lost the players, the fans and –finally – the boardroom through an inability to show that he was making progress on the pitch. That forced the hand of the club's absentee owners as they contemplated a long overdue rebuilding operation and concluded the former Everton manager could not be trusted to oversee it. In the end, they had no option. But it was as much their mistakes as those of Moyes that led them to day's cursory announcement.

Peer through the blizzard of meaningless statistics (David Moyes has the second-highest win percentage of any United manager; David Moyes has the lowest points total of the Premier League era), past the memory of the haunted faces in the dugout and the ever louder whispers of discontent from the dressing room, and the reasons for the malaise at Old Trafford go far deeper than just one man.

In calculating the final cost of the end of an error – which will be measured in more than just points, pounds and pence – there are more than a few mitigating factors at play. Like a slow motion car crash, there has been an inevitability about the way the season has panned out since the summer.

The role of the club's inscrutable American owners, still reviled by large sections of their own fanbase for an ownership model that has cost the club more than £650m in fees and interest, will again come under the microscope. So too, will that of vice chairman Ed Woodward.

The former investment banker was lauded as a commercial genius for minting the segmented overseas sponsorship strategy that allowed the Glazers to keep the tills ringing, service their debt and enjoy continued success on the pitch while Ferguson remained in post. So now he must accept the brickbats for a catalogue of missteps since taking over from David Gill in the top job last summer.

Sitting in his Mayfair office, Woodward once gave assurances that there was a well-considered plan tucked away in his desk drawer for when Ferguson's departure came. If that was ever the case, its execution left much to be desired.

And, of course, there is Ferguson himself. For all that the Glazers and the board erred in allowing him to effectively choose his own successor – a situation it is hard to imagine arising in any other major business – Moyes will go down in history as Ferguson's short lived "chosen one".

In his book, Ferguson said Moyes would have "no trouble embracing our traditions" and said the Glazers were impressed by the fact he was a "straight talker". In both cases, the opposite proved to be true as his fellow Scot failed to embrace the club's attacking traditions on the pitch and cut an ever more impassive, beleaguered figure off it.

Whether on some unconscious level Ferguson chose a successor who he saw as the closest available facsimile of his own approach to life and management, or even one who would not immediately dismantle his empire as a José Mourinho may have done, is one for the psychologists. What is clear is that it suited the Glazers to position the appointment as Ferguson's choice alone.

For many fans, the culpability of Ferguson – the man who gave them 38 trophies in 28 years – runs deeper still. It was the Scot who defended the Glazer model to the hilt even as Old Trafford rocked to "green and gold" protests and insisted that the cash being paid out to service debts, that at one stage hit £716.5m and now stand at £356.6m, had not harmed his ability to compete in the transfer market.

One scene sums up United's desperate season and it speaks volumes that it features Ferguson rather than Moyes: the club's most successful manager being barracked in the stands by home fans during the humiliating home defeat to neighbours Manchester City.

Even as his managerial genius allowed him to wring the last drops of success out of an ageing squad, winning his final title with a flourish, it was clear that Ferguson had left his successor a stack of problems. Long term under-investment in the squad had left it threadbare and Moyes could be heard complaining about the hand he had been dealt as early as United's pre-season tour of Australia.

Those problems were undoubtedly exacerbated by the cack-handed handling of the succession in the boardroom as well as the dugout. The Glazers had known since the previous February that both Gill and Ferguson would be moving on.

And yet arguably the most important summer in the club's recent history was left in the hands of two men with no knowledge of the top end of the European transfer market, culminating in the tragi-comic deadline day pursuit of Ander Herrera, fake representatives and all. The subsequent January capture of Juan Mata was hailed as a coup but gave off more than a whiff of panic.

Moyes' decision to dispense with Ferguson's backroom staff and bring in his own men meant in one summer much of the collective wisdom of the Ferguson era either walked out of the door or was left to sit impassively in the stands as things unravelled around them.

Whereas Moyes was the master of all he surveyed at Everton's Finch Farm training complex and inspired loyalty from those around him, at Manchester United he appeared unable to delegate or to focus on what mattered. Meanwhile, what little authority he had ebbed away.

As flagged up in the small print of the succession of bewildering loan agreements, bond issues, refinancing and stock market flotations since they bought United in 2005, the certainty of having to one day deal with the "succession issue" was the main cloud hanging over the Glazers' feat of financial engineering.

And yet they badly mishandled the first big call of their controversial nine-year tenure.

The Glazers will arrive in Manchester next week to oversee a recruitment process that they know they – and Woodward – can't afford to get wrong for a second time. On his most recent conference call, Woodward was keen to emphasise the extent to which Liverpool had been able to maintain their commercial clout despite their comparative lack of success in recent years.

Yet rather than looking to Anfield for succour, the last two decades at Liverpool should act as a loud warning siren against how far and how fast a seemingly impregnable empire can fall.

And, more than anyone, Woodward will be only too aware of the potential implications for the bottom line if they don't rejoin Europe's top table within a season. In some ways, the new Financial Fair Play era makes it even more imperative to maintain their place among the elite.

Even as talks over a new $1bn kit deal drag on, with those close to the process said to be weary of United's hardline negotiating stance, their legions of sales staff will be already digesting the possible damage the last 12 months have done to the United "brand".

Built on romance and doing things "the United way" but then remorselessly sliced, diced and sold around the world, the longer-term damage to that DNA of a chaotic season that has left the Ferguson succession plan trumpeted by Woodward crumpled and discarded may yet be worse still.

J. A. Adji
08-05-2014, 12:33 PM
http://cdn1.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/incoming/article30222461.ece/320ef/ALTERNATES/h342/SOCCER+Live_11.jpg

Gak perlu orangnya, patungnya aja sudah cukup untuk bawa sial di Anfield.

:)) :))

Redsbusby
20-05-2014, 02:43 PM
Uda lama lewat ya, tp tetep aja gw ngerasa eneg dgn bagaimana manajemen keluarin moyes gitu aja.. Oh, modern football!!!!