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rondwisan
30-09-2009, 09:44 AM
29/09/2009 09:49 - ManUtd.com, Paddy Crerand
Old masters full of vitality

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The standard of fitness of United's players is far higher today than it ever has been, and that's why Ryan Giggs and Paul Scholes are still playing at the top level. The way they look after themselves, with all the staff dedicated to fitness and healthy lifestyles is incredible. Players look after themselves certainly a lot better than they did in my day.

I think sometimes age becomes a mental thing for a lot of people. There's this idea that once you’re over 30 you’re on the road out. I think that’s a load of rubbish. Once you’re over the 30-mark you’re more intelligent, and often you're as strong as a horse because you’re doing everything you can to stay in good condition. But it’s the intelligence more than anything. I think Paul Scholes, Ryan Giggs and Gary Neville have got big roles to play at United for a while to come.

If you looked at Ryan Giggs against Manchester City – that was the same Ryan Giggs I saw play his first game for United against City! That’s exactly what he was like. And he was influential again at Stoke on Saturday. Paul Scholes was brilliant, too. You never lose your ability, and if you can stay fit you’re quids in. You’re made. It’s only a matter of looking after yourself, and you can’t get away with anything at Old Trafford now! You’ve got dieticians, fitness coaches, all sorts of things.

It's interesting to some players blossoming since Cristiano Ronaldo left. Wayne Rooney wasn’t centre-stage when Ronaldo was here and maybe didn’t the praise as he deserved. There are others that can step up and become key players. Can Nani become the player there is the possibility of him being? Will he get his final ball right? If he does he will be a fantastic player. And he has a great player to learn from in Giggs.

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2. Gary Neville - 18 Feb 1975 (34)
11. Ryan Giggs - 29 Nov 1973 (36)
18. Paul Scholes - 16 Nov 1974 (35)


sampai kapan yaa, para Old Creck ini akan bermain dengan jersey United ... :-/:-/:-/

rondwisan
30-09-2009, 09:55 AM
wacana ini di rumah lama pernah gw angkat ....
saat itu Oom Neville ama Oom Scholessy lagi berkutat dengan cederanya ...

setelah mereka bisa kembali bermain, emang performanya jauh menurun ...
Oom Neville sering kali menjadi titik lemah di pertahanan United, juga Oom Scholes nyang sering jadi kayak baru belajar maen bola ..., but lambat laun ... mereka bisa mengembalikan performa mereka ke level yang lebih tinggi meski tentunya tidak pada top form lah

lain lagi dengan Oom Giggsy ..., meski masih sering dimainkan Opa Alex pada pertandingan2x penting ..., terus terang performa Oom Giggs masih cukup ok ..., meski kadang2x juga sering jadi kartu mati lini tengah United, hanya saja setelah menampilkan penampilan gemez dot kom, biasanya Oom Giggs menghapus dengan umpan2x manis or gol penentu untuk United

case teranyar ..., saat United stuck dalam membongkar pertahanan Stoke City di Britannia stadium, Oom Giggs begitu dimasukkan langsung bisa merubah jalannya pertandingan dengan memberikan assist cantik untuk Berba dan J'Oshea

rasanya role models para senior ini masih dibutuhkan untuk membimbing para talenta muda yang ada di United, but sampe kapan yaa mereka akan terus bermain untuk United ...

apakah someday mereka akan berdiri di pinggir lapangan dan bertereak-tereak memberi komando dan motivasi buat para pemain United di lapangan ..., hope so ... :peace:

dancoloveunited
30-09-2009, 10:32 AM
kayaknya sampai hayat dikandung badan... :D

anyway, IMO musim 2010/2011 bakalan jadi musim terakhir bagi mereka... bakalan jadi perpisahan yang indah, pensiun dengan mengantarkan United menjadi the best club in England (insya Allah) dengan 20 gelar liga... :siul:



apakah someday mereka akan berdiri di pinggir lapangan dan bertereak-tereak memberi komando dan motivasi buat para pemain United di lapangan ..., hope so ... :peace:

LIKE THIS... :thumbup:

Andi Istiabudi
30-09-2009, 11:05 AM
Semoga kelak jika mereka pensiun, salah satu diantara mereka bertiga bersedia datang ke Indonesia dan menemui penggemar United di Indonesia, terutama member UI..

rondwisan
30-09-2009, 11:41 AM
Semoga kelak jika mereka pensiun, salah satu diantara mereka bertiga bersedia datang ke Indonesia dan menemui penggemar United di Indonesia, terutama member UI..

yoi Sob ...., kmrn tuh OOm Giggs udah banyak banget nyang menantikan kehadiran ...
sayang kagak jadi ... :(( :hammer:

Andi Istiabudi
30-09-2009, 11:55 AM
yoi Sob ...., kmrn tuh OOm Giggs udah banyak banget nyang menantikan kehadiran ...
sayang kagak jadi ... :(( :hammer:

Belum rezekinya mungkin... Ingat, kegagalan adalah sukses yang tertunda ! Siapa tau kemarin Giggs gak jadi dateng tapi akhir musim ini justru ke Indonesia. Who knows ??? Tetap berdoa dan optimis aja bro [-O<

theater of dream
01-10-2009, 05:42 PM
I just cant imagine yet, United without Giggs and Scholes

RedRob
01-10-2009, 11:18 PM
selain Sultan Hasanudin, Pangeran Diponegoro, Kapitan Pattimura, mereka lah para pahlawan masa kecil gw.... hehehe....

untuk menjawab pertanyaan sampai kapankah mereka bisa tampil, IMO, maksimal masa edar mereka 1-2 musim lagi... itu pun dijamin dengan penurunan jam main dan kemungkinan ketidakoptimalan permainan...

apapun dan kapanpun, masa2 itu adalah fase alami yang harus dilewati setiap pemain profesional... menakjubkan memang, mereka masih bisa mendekati masa akhir dengan tetap bermain optimal (sesuai kondisi tentunya) dan berkontribusi maksimal dalam meraih gelar demi gelar dalam beberapa tahun terakhir ini.....

tapi regenerasi harus terus berjalan.. bukannya gw gak seneng dengan penampilan gemilang Giggsy dan Scholesy di awal musim ini.. i'm one of the happiest fans for sure.. tapi ketergantungan tim yang masih cukup besar kepada mereka juga bikin gw agak gundah... ketika saatnya tiba the old cracks udah harus mengucapkan salam perpisahan, atau minimal, ketika mereka udah gak mampu bermain di level seperti saat ini, tim akan kelimpungan dan goyah....

so, hemat gw, di waktu tersisa ini, transfer ilmu dari 'the old masters' ini harus cepat dilakukan dan dioptimalkan oleh para pemain-pemain muda United... menyerap pengetahuan dan energi mereka untuk kembali menampilkannya di lapangan adalah yang kita harapkan oleh para penerus generasi emas ini... konon, energi sifatnya kekal, tidak dapat hilang hanya terbarukan... itu yang gw harapkan dari United untuk masa-masa ke depan... energi-energi yang perlahan pudar akan menransformasikan dirinya ke energi-energi baru....

hail to the legends..... the living legends.... the players that brought United--and we, the fans--to the promised land....

Shorrty
02-10-2009, 12:03 AM
Don't Retire Please..!!!!!
(sorry satu baris.. abisnya bingung mo ngomong apa) yg pasti gak salah dah waktu sy mulai suka united dengan menyukai The Welsh Wizard dulu..

fredrian.seven
03-10-2009, 09:48 AM
memang tidak bisa dipungkiri klo trio punggawa MU masih sangat bagus performanya terutama giggs dan scholes.tapi MU tidak bisa berharap kontribusi mereka untuk jangka waktu lama.selain karena kondisi fisik juga karena alasan regenerasi.pemaen seperti ando dan gibbo butuh kesempatan turun lebih banyak untuk mengeluarkan potensinya.dua pertandingan terakhir MU seperti butuh giggs untuk menang.menang memang hal positif tapi MU tidak bisa berharap terus pada giggs.aku sih tidak berharap giggs dkk cepat pensiun tapi setidaknya MU bisa mulai mengurangi ketergantungan pada sosok giggs dkk.dan saat mereka pensiun (mungkin akhir musim ini ataw musim depan paling lambat) MU telah memiliki pengganti yang sepadan. setelah mereka pensiun mereka bisa dimasukkan ke tim pelatih untuk transfer ilmu plus membentuk giggs,scholes dan neville lainnya.. mungkin giggs bisa bantu OGS di tim reserve,jadi ada duet legenda dengan dibantu warren joyce di tim reserve.jadi youngster kita akan dilatih legenda MU sebelum akhirnya dilatih pelatih legendaris MU, Sir Alex Ferguson.
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rondwisan
29-03-2010, 02:18 PM
jarang-jarang kejadian nih ..., pada merhatiin gak ..., sabtu malem lalu ... trio macan (tua - but gak ompong) United barengan jadi starting line up ... ^:)^ :-bd

terus terang rada ketar-ketir juga awalnya ..., apalagi gak ada Roo 'n Rio
apakah karena lawannya "hanya" Bolton .., hehe ... ;))

yang jelas Uncle Giggsy setelah sempet membuang beberapa peluang akhirnya memberikan assist matang kepada Samuel ... :hammer:

Oom Scholes juga masih ok aja pass-passnya ..., meski sempet ngaco juga

Oom Gary, gak terlalu kerja keras meski sempet beberapa kali kecolongan (untung VDS tampil otree)

ferly_Liemz
29-03-2010, 02:37 PM
kl blh jujur seh gw berharap mereka akan selalu bermain ampe kpn pun..tp kl secara realistis seh gw rasa musim depan bs jd musim terakhir mereka...T_T
Ibarat nya maldini di milan,buat gw seh terserah mereka aja gmn enaknya...meski gw berharap bgt mereka bs dpt 1 lg ucl sebelum pensiun...sumpah gw ngetik tentang pensiunnya mereka aja bkn gw merinding sedih...org bnyk pasti blg pemain dgn skill terbaik itu maradona ato pele ato bahkan messi saat ini..buat gw giggs saat top form nya lbh bs membuat gw bengong kagum..ato gelandang serang terbaik di inggris itu lampard ato gerard,tp buat gw kl scholes kl skrg di usia produktifnya maka ga ada yg bs geser dia di timnas...begitu jg dgn gary neville..
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Andi Istiabudi
29-03-2010, 02:46 PM
Idealnya mereka memutuskan pensiun setelah berhasil menjadi juara kembali musim depan (EPL, FA Cup, Carling Cup dan UEFA Champions Cup) dan akan lebih dramatis lagi jika setelah berhasil memenangkan semua gelar tadi, Sir Alex Ferguson juga turut mundur bersama tiga pemain binaannya yang paling sukses tersebut, tentu saja ada rasa haru dan kebanggaan tersendiri. Mungkin ini akan menjadi salah satu momen bersejarah bagi Manchester United ...

rondwisan
29-03-2010, 02:51 PM
dengan tanpa mengurangi rasa hormat kepada para legenda hidup (playing legend) United saat ini, Trio Uncle Giggsy, Oom Scholes 'n Pakde Gary, rasanya gw lebih sreg klo Opa Alex lebih banyak beri kesempatan pada young player yang ada .... rasanya waktu untuk Oom-Oom udah cukup di lapangan bersama United ..., hehehe ...
bukannya habis manis sepah dibuang lho ...:peace:

GL zone
29-03-2010, 02:52 PM
sebener ny ga bisa bayangin kalo ngeliat united tanpa mereka (giggs, scholes, neville)
tapi show must go on...umur dan stamina ga bisa boong

mungkin begitu pelapis mereka udah semakin matang, mereka bisa pensiun dgn tenang

neville = rafael
giggs = nani/obertan
scholes = gibbo

ferly_Liemz
29-03-2010, 02:55 PM
agree ama opa...emang kl mereka pensiun akan menggoyahkan tim tapi jg ada positifnya untuk talenta2 muda united,gw blg gn tanpa mengurangi rasa hormat kepada trio ini ya..yg pasti biarlah mereka pensiun di saat mereka memperoleh kejayaan....
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B4YU
29-03-2010, 02:55 PM
klo menurut gw lebih cepat untuk pensiun akan lebih baek (bukan pindah klub :D)

karena jika mereka bertiga tetep di skuad utama otomatis pemaen2 yang diharapkan akan mewarisi posisi mereka pun mgkn akan sulit berkembang dan imbasnya justru antara loan dan jual.....:hajar2:

Giggs misalnya dah jelas menurut gw gak mampu untuk bermain di sayap kiri.. walau beberapa musim ini dipasang di tengah tapi menurut gw justru kurang efektif karena akan sangat sulit utk dia turun sampe membantu daerah pertahanan United...

Andi Istiabudi
29-03-2010, 03:03 PM
Mungkin perlu dipertimbangkan agar Giggs, Scholes dan Neville diangkat menjadi staff pelatih jika seandainya mereka memutuskan pensiun. Hal ini diharapkan dapat memberikan semangat dan motivasi kepada pemain muda MU lainnya, mengingat dengan pengalaman yang telah dimiliki selama bertahun-tahun, tentunya mereka sangat dihormati dan disegani oleh pemain muda MU lainnya.

zeavhere
29-03-2010, 03:03 PM
kalau menurut ane sih emang kalau secara keseluruhan, permainan mereka udah jauh menurun dibandingkan saat mereka masih muda, namun untuk pengalamannya saya kira masih dibutuhkan untuk laga-laga di akhir musim yang penuh dengan ketegangan, lihat aja kayak ketenangan scholes pas lawan wolves kemaren, kalau yang pegang bola pemain muda itu pun belum tentu bisa gol , soalnya kan si mame dapet banyak peluang tih pas itu :D

tapi sebenernya ga salah juga sih kalau sekrang udah wktuya para senior mengundurkan diri ( kecuali VDS tentunya :D ) , kasihan yang muda-muda kalau mereka ga mundur", ntar yang muda jrang main ujung-ujungnya dijual dah . eman banged lah, :D

sekian pendapat newbie :peace:

erin
29-03-2010, 11:00 PM
Idealnya mereka memutuskan pensiun setelah berhasil menjadi juara kembali musim depan (EPL, FA Cup, Carling Cup dan UEFA Champions Cup) dan akan lebih dramatis lagi jika setelah berhasil memenangkan semua gelar tadi, Sir Alex Ferguson juga turut mundur bersama tiga pemain binaannya yang paling sukses tersebut, tentu saja ada rasa haru dan kebanggaan tersendiri. Mungkin ini akan menjadi salah satu momen bersejarah bagi Manchester United ...

buset..kalo kejadianx smpe kek gini...
Namax MU diterpa badai kalo menurut gw...
gk kebayang gimana...

Emang Fergie sendiri gk menyangkal kalo mreka msh butuh para old cracker..
Terbukti dengan adanya pemberitaan kalo Fergie meletakkan harapan juara musim ini pd old cracker...

Gw jd teringat pas Final Champ League lwn Chelsea..
Pas adu pinalti..Nge-liat pinaltix Giggs (yg notabenex udh tuwir)..Asli berkelas bgt...Ketenangan dan mentalx bener dh...
Dibandingkan dgn CR7 lg heboh2x,trnyata nendang pinaltix gagal....*hehehehe

Kalo regenerasix mungkin Fergie udh punya beberapa opsi,spti yg udh disebut2in di atas...
Giggs, ada Nani dan Valencia, jgn lupakan juga Tosic, walopun jam terbang Tosic msh minim bgt...
Scholes, ada Gibo..dan Neville ada rafael..
Tapi yh itu dy..Smua pemaen muda ini pengalaman dan mentalx msh perlu diasah lg,disamping skill tentunya...

Gua yakin kalo misalnya pr old crakcer ini udh pensiun satu per satu, Fergie sdh menyiapkan para regenerasi untuk menggantikanx..

Yang jelas agenda regenerasi pmaen udh ada di agenda SAF,at least kita msh ada 1-2 musim lg untuk mempersiapkan regenerasi itu..Setidaknya di musim dpn, Fergie bisa lbh byk memainkan pmaen2 mudanya biar mereka akan siap mengganti para Old Crakcer yg nantinya akan pensiun..:happy:

Kalo soal kepelatihan sih, mereka smua emang skrg lg ngejar lisence bwt ngelatih kan..
Malahan Rooney dan Rio juga udh iktan pendidikan bwt ngambil lisence tsb..

Bayu*Lazuardy
29-03-2010, 11:41 PM
sori klo OOT sebelumnya...

gw sangat berharap. ketika Manchester United datang ke Indonesia. giggs,scholes dan neville masih dapat membela United ketika bertandang melawan Indonesia :D

Mahesa_Jenar
30-03-2010, 12:00 AM
Kalau soal pengganti sih rasanya tidak akan kesulitan, kalau hanya sekedar menggantikan di lapangan. Tapi menggantikan mereka di dalam hati.. hmmm....

yoshiharu_kubo10
30-03-2010, 09:38 AM
mereka ga akan bisa bermain di lapangan selamanya...aku harap sih...ini musim terakhir Giggs dkk...United harus lebih banyak memberi kesempatan pada pemain muda...untuk masa depan klub sendiri...

tapi memang mereka teladan yang luar biasa dan bisa menjadi contoh bagi para pemain muda...makanya aku dulu bilang...buat patung mereka di Carrington...image Giggs dkk kemudian akan menjadi inspirasi para pemain muda yang masuk United...

rondwisan
31-03-2010, 09:24 AM
klo emang Opa mo nurunin mereka bertiga lagi di laga tadi pagi ..., kenapa minggu dini hari kemaren mereka dimaenin semua yaa ... :hammer: :(

B4YU
31-03-2010, 11:10 AM
setelah melihat match tadi pagi ... mgkn harus segeralah ...

Giggs dan Neville terutama.....

Neville selalu kalah sprint .... dan imbasnya faktor hands ball gak bisa dipungkiri karena fisik dah habis menurut gw....~X(

erwien.batosay
31-03-2010, 12:09 PM
Cuma satu Old Masters yg tampil oce tadi pagi. Mr. Edwin Van Der Sar
Salut buat EVDS1:beer:

ferly_Liemz
31-03-2010, 12:15 PM
agree bgt ama mas erwien....vds mang manusia super..hehehe
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B4YU
31-03-2010, 12:20 PM
Cuma satu Old Masters yg tampil oce tadi pagi. Mr. Edwin Van Der Sar
Salut buat EVDS1:beer:

setuju...

yah tapi mungkin karena beda posisi... kiper gak sering lari...:hammer:

ing areese
31-03-2010, 10:01 PM
as yg di atas2 bilang, VDS mank super keren... Kl gak krn VDS mgkn kita udah kalah banyak dr awal2 :D

But ada 1 hal yg lum berubah ampe sekarang dari salah satu old crackers kita (scholes), kakinya masih suka kesurupan (utk urusan tackle mentackel) :hammer:

fredrian.seven
01-04-2010, 08:50 AM
setelah melihat match tadi pagi ... mgkn harus segeralah ...

Giggs dan Neville terutama.....

Neville selalu kalah sprint .... dan imbasnya faktor hands ball gak bisa dipungkiri karena fisik dah habis menurut gw....~X(

Awalnya aku berharap trio pemaen itu bakalan bertahan 1 musim lagi di MU. tapi setelah liat partai lawan Bayern, rasanya hanya Scholes yang masih cocok di MU musim depan.

Setuju sama bayu. Stamina menjadi faktor utama yang membuat trio pemaen itu menurun performanya. selain itu sedikit perubahan permainan dengan mendatangkan pemaen baru juga penting. huff... emang umur nggak bisa ditipu. mungkin klub2 di inggris masih banyak yang bisa ditipu, tapi klo dah di eropa dan klub besar rasanya dah susah,he...

an_setanmerah
02-04-2010, 04:59 PM
Buat gw masih ada tempat buat mereka musim depan. Tapi kalo setelah musim depan kayaknya nggak keterawang deh (semoga bukan cedera yang bikin mereka retire). Scholsey 'n Giggsy (terutama Scholes) masih diperlukan, belum ada pemain ManUnited yang sampai sekarang punya kemampuan yang sama dengan mereka berdua in terms of filling the hole. Mungkin secara menit, bakal turun drastis, tapi dari banyaknya pertandingan, nggak akan jauh beda sama musim ini (kecuali ada big signing di midfield musim transfer nanti).

Masih inget kan brilliantnya Giggsy di awal musim, saat ManUnited lagi cari bentuk permainan dan Rooney belum se-on fire sekarang? Atau gimana Scholsey gantian sama Carrick ngirim bola-bola mateng ke Rooney atau ke- flanks (plus gol-golnya) konsisten dari awal musim sampai sekarang. SAF dan fans United masih perlu mereka.

Terus Gary? Sama juga, menit berkurang, tapi main jalan terus. Jadi keinget Dennis Irwin waktu mau keluar dari ManUnited. Berkurang semuanya sampai dia pindah. Tapi semoga Gary nggak ikutan pindah.

rondwisan
04-04-2010, 07:57 PM
three musketeers @ starting line up ... (again) :-/
please deh Opa ..., ini lawan Chelsea ..., bukan Bolton ..., hikksss :hammer::hammer:

B4YU
05-04-2010, 09:23 AM
yg sampai sekarang gw sesali kekalahan vs Chelsea lebih kepada formasi pemaen lagi.....:-SS

dan yg paling parah menurut gw adalah dipasangnya Giggs di match kemaren...:peace:

Ucup Carrick
05-04-2010, 01:29 PM
3 orang ini yang jadi titik lemah pas lawan chelsea kemaren...
sebaiknya opa mencontoh pep guardiola...yang gak segan menurunkan pemain muda jika diperlukan dan jika memang dia siap tempur...

rondwisan
05-04-2010, 01:46 PM
Opa masih terinspirasi match lawan Bolton minggu lalu ..., serta match lawan Chelsea di Old Trafford musim yang lalu ... :hammer::hammer:

zudomiriku
05-04-2010, 02:01 PM
menurut berita, para aki-aki sementara akan 'diparkir' dulu pas lawan Muenchen nanti

zeavhere
05-04-2010, 03:08 PM
menurut berita, para aki-aki sementara akan 'diparkir' dulu pas lawan Muenchen nanti
untuk lawan munchen besok setuju lah, soalnya emang perlu darah muda untuk membendung kecepatan pemainnya munchen, apalagi kalau mainnya kayak kemaren, bisa gawat malah kalau masang "opa-opa" kita :D

zudomiriku
06-04-2010, 12:42 PM
'MU Menua dan Kian Mudah Dikalahkan'
Doni Wahyudi - detiksport



Liverpool - Meski masih berpeluang jadi juara di Premier League dan Liga Champions, Manchester United dianggap tengah dalam kondisi buruk saat ini. The Red Devils terlalu mudah dikalahkan dan pemainnya mulai banyak yang menua.

Demikian diungkapkan mantan pemain Liverpool yang kini menjadi komentator BBC, Alan Hansen, jelang laga MU kontra Bayern Munich di leg kedua babak delapan besar Liga Champions.

Pernyataan Hansen jelas tak salah, kekalahan atas Chelsea akhir pekan kemarin menjadi yang ketujuh diderita The Red Devils di Liga Inggris saja. Jumlah tersebut merupakan kekalahan terbanyak yang diderita MU dalam semusim sejak 2003/2004, di mana mereka menelan sembilan kekalahan dan duduk di posisi tiga klasemen akhir.

"MU lebih mudah dikalahkan musim ini, sebuah fakta yang digarisbahawi dengan tujuh kekalahan yang sudah ditelan di Liga Inggris musim ini," tulis Hansen dalam kolomnya di Telegraph seperti dikutip dari Yahoosports.

Menurut mantan pemain Liverpool di periode 1977–1991 tersebut, ada setidaknya tiga faktor yang membuat MU mengalami penurunan performa seperti musim ini.

"Mereka mulai menua, mereka juga kurang ulet dan yang terakhir sederhana saja, mereka tak sebagus yang sebelum-sebelumnya," lanjut Hansen.

Beberapa pemain senior yang kini dimiliki MU dan terbukti masih sering dimainkan Sir Alex Ferguson adalah Garry Neville (35 tahun) dan Paul Scholes (35). Di bawah mistar MU juga punya ada Edwin van der Sar yang sudah 39 tahun, meski kiper Belanda itu masih punya penampilan yang sangat-sangat baik.

Kebutuhan utama peremajaan pemain MU justru ada di lini depan. Soalnya kini ada jurang yang cukup besar antara Wayne Rooney dengan Dimitar Berbatov atau Michael Owen, yang justru sering disibukkan dengan urusan cedera. Padahal Fergie juga belum berani memberi kepercayaan pada Federico Macheda untuk jadi pemain reguler.

Rooney saat ini sudah mencetak 34 gol diseluruh kompetisi, sementara Berbatov baru 12 kali menjebol gawang lawannya. Di belakang striker Bulgaria itu ada Owen dengan sembilan gol dan Paul Scholes yang melesakkan enam gol.

dekepiks
06-04-2010, 11:01 PM
Opa kudu lebih sering ngasih kepercayaan sama pemain2 mudanya, kaya yang dulu die lakuin...

banyak memang faktor-faktor pertimbangannya...tapi harus segera dimulai. Kemaren keliatan banget our old masters, udh abis secara fisik, walaupun visi permainan masih tajem...giliran para fresh legs yang kudu ngelanjutin...

rondwisan
11-04-2010, 09:18 AM
semoga Rafael - Nani - Gibson, bisa segera menerima tongkat estafet dari para playing legend ini yaa ... :shakehand:

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs425.snc3/24522_1408626853044_1153646377_1215324_5394915_n.j pg

dhona.7
11-04-2010, 07:46 PM
mereka itu tua-tua keladi, makin tua makin menjadi...

smpe skrg pun pengalaman skill dan talenta mereka msh dibutuhkan...

semoga mereka ada pengganti'a kelak jika mereka pensiun...

yoshiharu_kubo10
12-04-2010, 09:39 AM
semoga Rafael - Nani - Gibson, bisa segera menerima tongkat estafet dari para playing legend ini yaa ... :shakehand:


aku lebih suka Obertan drpd Nani, Pa Ron...kekekekek...

yang lainnya setuju...

fredrian.seven
12-04-2010, 09:51 AM
Setelah pertandingan semalem rasanya harusnya musim ini menjadi musim terakhir mereka. Giggs diganti sebelom akhir pertandingan, Neville rasanya makin kasar aja maennya, apakah karena nafasnya dah nggak kuat jadi lambat nekelnya. yang paling mending mungkin scholes, tapi itupun tidak memberi tambahan signifikan.

rondwisan
12-04-2010, 10:19 AM
mereka itu tua-tua keladi, makin tua makin menjadi...

smpe skrg pun pengalaman skill dan talenta mereka msh dibutuhkan...

semoga mereka ada pengganti'a kelak jika mereka pensiun...

tapi tetep Sob ..., umur gak bisa dibohongi ...
ok lah ..., dalam setiap musim ada sekali, dua kali or bahkan beberapa kali mereka tampil memukau ..., but total ada berapa partai dlam semusim ...
sekali lagi dengan tanpa mengurangi rasa hormat ..., mestinya musim udah berakhir buat our playing legend ini ...

Andi Istiabudi
12-04-2010, 10:54 AM
Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes dan Gary Neville merupakan salah satu legenda hidup dan pemain besar yang pernah dimiliki oleh Manchester United. Namun seberapa bagusnya mereka bermain saat ini tampaknya mereka tidak bisa mengalahkan fakta bahwa usia mereka yang tidak muda lagi secara tidak langsung mempengaruhi penampilan mereka di lapangan dan tentunya mereka dan Sir Alex Ferguson sangat menyadarinya.

Dengan hasil kurang menggembirakan musim ini, sebaiknya mereka menunda dulu rencana pensiun minimal hingga akhir musim depan namun di musim terakhirnya mereka merebut gelar EPL, Carling, FA Cup dan Champions sehingga menjadi akhir karir yang manis bagi mereka ...

B4YU
12-04-2010, 11:05 AM
Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes dan Gary Neville merupakan salah satu legenda hidup dan pemain besar yang pernah dimiliki oleh Manchester United. Namun seberapa bagusnya mereka bermain saat ini tampaknya mereka tidak bisa mengalahkan fakta bahwa usia mereka yang tidak muda lagi secara tidak langsung mempengaruhi penampilan mereka di lapangan dan tentunya mereka dan Sir Alex Ferguson sangat menyadarinya.

Dengan hasil kurang menggembirakan musim ini, sebaiknya mereka menunda dulu rencana pensiun minimal hingga akhir musim depan namun di musim terakhirnya mereka merebut gelar EPL, Carling, FA Cup dan Champions sehingga menjadi akhir karir yang manis bagi mereka ...

bukannya hasil musim ini juga tak terlepas dari mereka juga???

kalau hasilnya masih sama seperti musim ini apakah mereka harus menunda ke akhir musim berikutnya dan seterusnya gitu???

:-SS

rondwisan
12-04-2010, 11:20 AM
mereka tuh bukan legenda hidup ..., but playing legend (masih maen gitu lho)
dan rasanya memang romantisme seperti yang disampaikan Oom Andi di atas yang sekarang ini tengah dilakuin Opa Alex ..., hikss ...

rasanya gak perlu dipaksakan seperti itu ...
sudah waktunya para talenta2x muda yang selama ini dibina untuk diberikan kesempatan tampil lebih lama ...

Andi Istiabudi
12-04-2010, 11:36 AM
Sepertinya Sir Alex Ferguson cenderung menyerahkan keputusan pensiun ketiganya kepada mereka sendiri. Tidak pernah terlihat upaya Sir Alex untuk menggantikan posisi mereka secara permanen, mungkin karena Sir Alex juga masih membutuhkan mereka yach ? Tiap kali ada pernyataan niat pensiun dari Scholes, Giggs atau Neville, biasanya Sir Alex selalu mengomentari "dengan kemampuan yang ada, dia masih bisa bertahan 1-2 musim lagi di OLd Trafford".

Kendati begitu, saya setuju dengan pendapat Cak Rondwisan yakni diperlukan regenerasi di tubuh Manchester United. Mungkin Sir Alex berniat meniru AC Milan yang dulu sempat mempertahankan Costacurta dan Maldini hingga usia 40 tahun, hehehe ...

theater of dream
12-04-2010, 06:35 PM
IMO Gary mungkin sudah keliatan pengganti nya Rafael, Giggs udah bisa diganti Nani atau Park, nah kalo Scholes sapa yah ???:-??

otonk reddevilz
12-04-2010, 06:43 PM
IMO Gary mungkin sudah keliatan pengganti nya Rafael, Giggs udah bisa diganti Nani atau Park, nah kalo Scholes sapa yah ???:-??

kalo gibson gimana om..apakah sudah layak jadi penerus/pengganti Scholes..

fredrian.seven
12-04-2010, 09:11 PM
gibson masih blom pantes jadi pengganti scholes.klo aku lihat permainan gibbo biasa2 aja.hanya tendangannya aja yang mantep,selebihnya blom istimewa. Sebenernya aku berharap hargo fit,tapi bukan sebagai pengganti scholes.aku berharap duetnya sama fletcher bisa memberikan kekuatan dan dominasi di lini tengah MU. Atau mungkin bisa dipertimbangkn beli pemaen baru seperti hamsik sebagai duetnya fletcher,he..
http://img.kaskus.us/images/kaskusmobile_hp.gif

theater of dream
12-04-2010, 11:09 PM
kalo gibson gimana om..apakah sudah layak jadi penerus/pengganti Scholes..Gibson masih mengandalkan tendangan aja, sampe sekarang belum bisa mengendalikan irama permainan lini tengah, dan visi menyerang juga masih kurang, saya setuju sama om Fredrian kalo Hargo fit memang duet yang pantas mengisi lini tengah..

gibson masih blom pantes jadi pengganti scholes.klo aku lihat permainan gibbo biasa2 aja.hanya tendangannya aja yang mantep,selebihnya blom istimewa. Sebenernya aku berharap hargo fit,tapi bukan sebagai pengganti scholes.aku berharap duetnya sama fletcher bisa memberikan kekuatan dan dominasi di lini tengah MU. Atau mungkin bisa dipertimbangkn beli pemaen baru seperti hamsik sebagai duetnya fletcher,he..
http://img.kaskus.us/images/kaskusmobile_hp.gif

B4YU
13-04-2010, 10:22 AM
IMO Gary mungkin sudah keliatan pengganti nya Rafael, Giggs udah bisa diganti Nani atau Park, nah kalo Scholes sapa yah ???:-??

kan ada Fletcher.... dan juga masih ada Gibson dan Ando sbg pelapis

ferly_Liemz
13-04-2010, 11:46 AM
mungkin mereka ud harus di biasakan jd subs saat tim butuh keseimbangan mental...ud ga bs d paksain,krn dlm kompetisi itu bth konsistensi. Dan gw harus akui kl mereka ud ga konsisten lg maen nya...kasian jg kl mereka di paksain...
yg gw tw selama trio macan msh ada maka sir alex akan selalu bernostalgia dan 3 posisi itu akan sulit di tembus para youngster...
http://img.kaskus.us/images/kaskusmobile_hp.gif

Andi Istiabudi
13-04-2010, 03:29 PM
Selama ini Sir Alex Ferguson masih memberikan kepercayaan kepada beberapa pemain senior dalam tim utama. Bagus sih tapi harus mulai dipikirkan agar regenerasi dapat berjalan dengan mulai memberikan kepercayaan kepada pemain muda. Contoh ekstem bisa dilihat dari Arsene Wenger. Dalam beberapa tahun terakhir pelatih Arsenal tersebut berani merombak total tim utamanya sehingga saat ini justru didominasi pemain muda.

red_devilz
13-04-2010, 04:54 PM
Scholes replacement ???

Vote for ..... Tom Cleverley :D

Muda , produktif (untuk ukuran seorang pemain tengah) , dribbling keren + passing mantap (dalam standard Championship Division ) dan yg jelas ..... tackling nya jauh lebih bagus dr Scholes coz posisi asli Cleverley sebelumnya dalah full back

*penilaian hanya didasarkan penilaian beberapa forum pengemar United + klip2 d Youtube

fredrian.seven
13-04-2010, 05:13 PM
Scholes replacement ???

Vote for ..... Tom Cleverley :D

Muda , produktif (untuk ukuran seorang pemain tengah) , dribbling keren + passing mantap (dalam standard Championship Division ) dan yg jelas ..... tackling nya jauh lebih bagus dr Scholes coz posisi asli Cleverley sebelumnya dalah full back

*penilaian hanya didasarkan penilaian beberapa forum pengemar United + klip2 d Youtube

aku suka ini... setuju banget tapi tidak untuk musim depan. dia masih muda banget... mungkin klo musim depan dia blom bisa masuk tim inti, tapi untuk 2-3 tahun mungkin dah bisa ambil bagian di tim utama.

salah satu yang aku sukai dari cleverley adalah karena dia pemaen serba bisa. di FM klo nggak salah dia bisa disemua posisi dilini tengah plus bek kanan.

hendiplast
19-04-2010, 03:48 PM
United veterans play it cool

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Never one to talk up a situation that could be played down to boredom, Paul Scholes probably reacted to news of Chelsea's defeat at Tottenham with a disinterested shrug of the shoulders.

Yet Scholes has been down this course enough times now to recognise a golden opportunity when he sees one.

Next Saturday, Manchester United tackle Spurs themselves, knowing victory at Old Trafford will take them back to the top of the Premier League and leave Chelsea stewing for over 24 hours, fretting about their fate in a title race the Blues had been in control of.

"We need favours off teams. We know that," said Scholes.

"But we just have to look after ourselves now, hopefully win all our games and see what happens elsewhere.

"If we had drawn against City it was probably all over. But the result has given us a little glimmer of hope."

Scholes was speaking before Chelsea had even kicked off, probably more in hope than expectation, after his 149th Manchester United goal had secured one of those staggering, jaw-dropping victories that will live long in the memory, whether United complete an unprecedented fourth successive championship triumph or not.

"We just keep going," said Scholes.

"Some teams play for a draw, whether City were doing that I don't know. But we are not a team that ever plays for a draw.

"We want to win. That guarantees we go right to the end."

He put his header right into the corner, making it impossible for Shay Given to keep out, a reminder why Sir Alex Ferguson persuaded him to sign a contract extension 24 hours earlier that will keep the 35-year-old at United for another season.

And Ferguson added: "Paul is 35 now so in that situation he is bound to be wondering what the manager thinks, what the club, the supporters and his team-mates think?

"There must be these certain questions because he has such great pride.

"Without question I believe he has another year left in him.

"His impact is unquestioned. We should never even discuss the impact he has made. Everyone can see it."

Now Ferguson and his troops must regather themselves for a three-match tilt at the top they could not have expected last week as they trooped off at Blackburn, having ended an awful fortnight with a tame draw that nearly had their manager throwing in the towel.

"There are always question marks at this club when you lose matches," accepted skipper Gary Neville.

"People question whether you can win games.

"The celebrations at the end were more to do with coming back after a really difficult couple of weeks than anything else."

NME

rondwisan
01-05-2010, 10:28 AM
setelah Oom Scholes mendapatkan perpanjangan kontrak ..., Oom Gary pun got another year with United ...
hmmm ....

balik lagi nih ..., gak tau mo hepi or sedih ... [confused mode : ON]

jangan sering2x bikin blunder yg merugikan team aja deh Oom-Oom semua ... :peace:

rian4
09-05-2010, 03:32 AM
kayaknya mereka sampe mati di MU ya... :thumbup:

Redsbusby
14-05-2010, 02:16 AM
Scholes replacement ???

Vote for ..... Tom Cleverley :D

Muda , produktif (untuk ukuran seorang pemain tengah) , dribbling keren + passing mantap (dalam standard Championship Division ) dan yg jelas ..... tackling nya jauh lebih bagus dr Scholes coz posisi asli Cleverley sebelumnya dalah full back

*penilaian hanya didasarkan penilaian beberapa forum pengemar United + klip2 d Youtube

ASLI!! Tackling nya jauh lebih bagus dari Scholes:>:>


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rondwisan
17-05-2010, 09:36 AM
Opa Fergie di MEN :

The old guard of Gary Neville, Ryan Giggs and Paul Scholes who have all signed up for another 12 months at Old Trafford remain paramount to Fergie's building strategy.

"Neville, Scholes and Giggs have become very important but this could be their last year," added Fergie.

"You cannot guarantee at their age they will carry on much longer. But at the moment their experience combined with the young players coming through who are playing on a regular basis it is a good mixture.

"The younger ones will benefit from that and in two or three years become your regular players.

"We have a reasonable structure in terms of ages. We have a good nucleus of players."

Redsbusby
17-05-2010, 12:01 PM
Opa Fergie di MEN :

It shows us how crucial they are for the team, especially youngster....

unitedreservecoach
18-05-2010, 04:15 PM
Mungkin perlu dipertimbangkan agar Giggs, Scholes dan Neville diangkat menjadi staff pelatih jika seandainya mereka memutuskan pensiun. Hal ini diharapkan dapat memberikan semangat dan motivasi kepada pemain muda MU lainnya, mengingat dengan pengalaman yang telah dimiliki selama bertahun-tahun, tentunya mereka sangat dihormati dan disegani oleh pemain muda MU lainnya.

Setuju biar ada sukesor Ole dan di konsentrasikan di academy untuk membina pemain muda

Redsbusby
18-05-2010, 07:21 PM
Setuju biar ada sukesor Ole dan di konsentrasikan di academy untuk membina pemain muda

Seperti yg dilakukan Barcelona.. meski belum tentu sama prestasinya kalo nerapin hal yg sama, but Who knows?:D:D

hendiplast
30-05-2010, 06:38 AM
Paul Scholes, Ryan Giggs and Gary Neville offered coaching roles at Manchester United

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Sir Alex Fegruson will ask Paul Scholes, Ryan Giggs and Gary Neville to stay at Manchester United as coaches once their playing days are over.

All three have signed one-year deals that take them to the end of next season but Ferguson is convinced the trio can inspire the next generation of local talent.

'They are the living proof for young players that the United system allows players to succeed,' said Ferguson. 'When they stop playing, they will stay. All three are taking their coaching diplomas. I don't think the club will pass up that much experience.'

Ferguson is already planning for a future without Rio Ferdinand and Wes Brown, which is why he spent £10million on 20-year-old Chris Smalling from Fulham. His recruitment policy looks to the long term.

'I am always thinking one or two seasons ahead,' he said. 'I anticipate over time the departures of the souls of the club, and the likes of Rio Ferdinand and Wes Brown, who are over 30. Nemanja Vidic has had some physical problems.

'Chris Smalling has huge potential as a centre-half, and he's only 20. In two or three years' time he'll be at the top. As for Mame Biram Diouf, you have to watch hundreds of strikers before you find one who can win matches. When you find him, you sign him.'

In an interview with French newspaper L'Equipe, Ferguson earmarked Patrice Evra, John O'Shea and Darren Fletcher as team leaders of the future.

'Evra is a powerful force as a leader of the dressing room,' he said. He also shrugged off concerns about United's £700m debt, insisting the sporting health of the club was in good shape.

'Protesting has become a reflex action these days,' he said. 'There are fans protesting against (club owners) the Glazers, which doesn't bother me because it doesn't interfere with the team. The fans love their club here and they are worried. I don't share their worry. I have a talented squad, a superb training complex, a magnificent stadium. We're fighting for the biggest titles every season. So it's easy for me to keep my distance from all these issues.'

Ferguson, 68, also put talk of retirement firmly on the backburner, and revealed that he passed his most recent six-monthly health check with flying colours. 'Everything's fine,' he added.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/

hendiplast
02-06-2010, 06:48 AM
Giggs, Neville and Scholes have earned deals - Harrison

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Sir Alex Ferguson has received some criticism for signing up his Dad’s Army for another 12 months.

The Reds boss has rubber-stamped new deals for Ryan Giggs, Gary Neville and Paul Scholes – all survivors of the legendary Class of ’92.

But the man who helped mastermind their development insists the veteran trio are still at Old Trafford on merit.

Former United youth boss Eric Harrison told M.E.N. Sport: “There is no chance they have been given new contracts out of sentiment.

“I have known Sir Alex a long time and he doesn’t work that way. In top, top-flight professional football you cannot work on sentiment. He has never been like that.

“Sir Alex has rewarded them for the part they can play in helping him and the team in the future not for what they have done in the past.

“On the field they are extremely important players still and off the field they can help enormously. They are a great inspiration to the younger players.

“I have seen how younger players respond to them and how they help them.

“I was in an England dressing room once and Tottenham’s David Bentley was telling me how he wanted to be like David Beckham on the pitch but he was also saying how Becks helped him off the field.

“Despite the fact Bentley had taken David’s place in the England team at the time, he was still offering him little bits of advice on the training ground.

“That was great to hear and it is the same with his ex-United team-mates, they all understand the role of senior players.

“It is not all about the 90 minutes the fans see on the pitch. I cannot understand any United fan who doesn’t believe Giggs, Neville and Scholes should have been kept on.”

Between them the Three Amigos have won over 60 coveted medals. So what keeps them going?

Determination

“Talent is one thing but determination and dedication are the two extra watchwords that make the big difference,” added Harrison.

“Unless you have dedication and determination then you will never have a career like those three guys.

“If any of them had been lacking in one of those departments then they wouldn’t be still up where they are now.

“They were a very easy group to coach as a youth team. There were no slackers.

“It wasn’t just the three who are still at United but it was Nicky Butt, Beckham, Phil Neville, Keith Gillespie and Robbie Savage, for example. They all put in the hours.

“The whole object in life was to play in Manchester United’s first team and it drove them all on. Every single day it wasn’t so much a battle to be top dog but they wanted to let me and the manager know that they were going places.

“It was a competitive atmosphere. There was no chance that you could drop your input and still think you could make it.

“If ever you thought you’d made it then you would be history at United. It wasn’t a fear factor. They didn’t come in every day scared to death but they knew the demands and responded.

“That environment built into them this attitude that has kept them going well into their 30s.

“I have seen some very, very talented players elsewhere who were naturally gifted but because they didn’t have the dedication and determination to match they wasted their careers and finished earlier than they should have done.

“That’s criminal. I cannot believe how stupid they would be to do that. Relying on your God-given talent alone is not enough at the very top of football.

“The work ethic and dedication is the whole ethos of Manchester United and why those players are still performing now at the age they are.

“I went over to see David Beckham in Milan and he says AC are exactly the same as United and is why a player like Paolo Maldini didn’t retire until he was in his 40s.

“The training routines are fashioned around keeping the players going.

“It is no coincidence that so many of that United Class of ’92 are still playing now past their mid-30s.”

Harrison was taking part in a McDonald’s Football Open Day on Saturday at Broughton Park Rugby Club – one of many free family and community football days taking place around the country this summer.

Organised by McDonald’s franchisee Roger Khoryati and Hough End Juniors FC, the Open Day offered families throughout Manchester the once-in-a-lifetime chance to have their skills seen by one of the most celebrated coaches in the English game.

The event formed part of McDonald’s Community partnership with The FA/Scottish FA/IFA/Welsh Football Trust.

NME

ferly_Liemz
04-07-2010, 06:55 PM
Gw harap musim 10/11 akan jadi musim terakhir trio macan..bukan gw gak cinta mereka,tapi ini yg terbaik buat mereka,youngster dan klub....

Dan akan sangat indah dan mengharukan bila trio macan plus vds menutup karier dengan treble atau minimal gelar ucl...
http://img.kaskus.us/images/kaskusmobile_hp.gif

devil_dee
04-07-2010, 07:02 PM
wah ga berasa yah dah 13 taon ngeliat mereka main buat united
dr mereka masih gesit, smpe akhirnya faktor usia yg ga bisa ngebohongin
next season klo jd season terakhir buat mereka, mdh2an ditutup dgn manis
dan saya pasti akan selalu merindukan om2 ini, esp om giggs
pasti awal2 akan berasa ada yg kurang liat united main tanpa mereka
but mereka akan selalu ada di hati, loyalitasnya luar biasa :)

Redsbusby
05-07-2010, 06:11 AM
Moga aja penerus mereka Musim ini bakal bisa mateng, atau setidaknya uda bisa gantiin mereka bertiga. Kan buat peremajaan. Ngga bisa donk terus pertahananin mereka tp penerus mereka ngga ada kemajuan... Bakal jadi musim yg dramatis nih musim ini, mengingat kontrak mereka jg habis musim ini... Para Old Masters yg Luar biasa!!!!:champ:

rondwisan
13-07-2010, 09:45 AM
Gw harap musim 10/11 akan jadi musim terakhir trio macan..bukan gw gak cinta mereka,tapi ini yg terbaik buat mereka,youngster dan klub....

Dan akan sangat indah dan mengharukan bila trio macan plus vds menutup karier dengan treble atau minimal gelar ucl...
http://img.kaskus.us/images/kaskusmobile_hp.gif

yup Sob ...
apalagi Oom Gary akan mengawali musim ini dengan (kembali) cedera :(
i think enough is enough ... :peace:

Supernan
13-07-2010, 10:09 AM
Kita bakal melihat musim terakhirnya Scholesy nih di 2010-2011. Giggs blum memutuskan sampai kapan, yup Gary terlihat bakal tutup karir di musim ini juga. Dengan cedera awal di musim ini,indikasi lebih trio macam ini bakal segera gantung sepatu,but kontribusi mereka dan pengalaman mereka pasti berbicara di musim baru nanti.

marsel david
13-07-2010, 10:13 AM
2010-2011 seperti kata Oom Supernan kayaknya emang bakal jadi musim trakhirnya buat Scholes and Gary
walau sudah menjelang masa pensiun
tapi ga biasa dipungkiri kalo kontribusi, dan pengalaman mereka untuk United dan para punggawa yang lain luar biasa besar
jadi ga kebayang gw kalo United tanpa mereka kalau nanti mereka dah pensiun

rondwisan
13-07-2010, 10:21 AM
sebenrnya yang jadi concern adalah ..., klo emang mereka masih berada di OT dan Opa Alex masih suka roman2xan ..., maka kesempatan talenta2x muda yg ada akan berkurang kesempatannya untuk ditampilkan ...

inget2x aja di musim lalu
berapa kali Oom-oom di atas maen langsung as starter ..., hehehe ... :peace:

marsel david
13-07-2010, 10:39 AM
sebenrnya yang jadi concern adalah ..., klo emang mereka masih berada di OT dan Opa Alex masih suka roman2xan ..., maka kesempatan talenta2x muda yg ada akan berkurang kesempatannya untuk ditampilkan ...

inget2x aja di musim lalu
berapa kali Oom-oom di atas maen langsung as starter ..., hehehe ... :peace:

Iya sih sebenernya bener juga kalo Oom-oom masih pada maen ato masih ada di United kesempatan talenta muda berkurang
para pemain muda turun as starter paling kalo Oom-oom yang terhormat lagi pada cedera
tapi sebenernya keberadaan dan pengalaman mereka menurut gw sangat berpengaruh pada team terutama untuk para pemain muda baik di dalam lapangan dan di ruang ganti walaupun mereka banyak diparkir di bench alias ga diturunkan sebagai starter

heheheV^^

Redsbusby
13-07-2010, 03:25 PM
Yup..GImana pun juga, Pengalaman mereka sangat dan sangat dibuthin. Jgn sampe kyk arsenal, cuma bakat doank pemain muda tp klo uda masuk saat2 dimana tekanan dan tuntutan semakin besar, harus bingung mau ngapain, bingung bagaimana ngehadepin situasi demikian. jadi, selama masih bisa berprestasi dan seimbang antara tua dan muda, Why Not? bisa sampe kapan-kapan :D

sellamanyaunited
13-07-2010, 06:16 PM
ya iya setuju sama semuanya pemain muda dan senior emang dibutuhin biar kalo sikon tertentu mereka bisa belajar dari pendahulu mereka . musim ini musim terakhir scholes? aduh kagum ama pemain model scholes dan giggsy mengabdikan karier sepakbola mereka dari muda-sekarang setia diunited :D :D
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fredrian.seven
25-07-2010, 08:36 AM
Ada artikel menarik tentang 4 sesepuh united.

dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/188977/Sir-Alex-Ferguson-must-replace-Manchester-United-s-antique-aces/

Moga musim ini peran old masters itu mulai dapat digantikan pemaen lain, jadi saat mereka musti pensiun United sudah siap ditinggal karena pengganti sudah siap.
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melvin gusman
25-07-2010, 10:44 AM
gary neville, giggs n scholes bakal jadi the new sir bobby,dubes untuk man united. kalo perlu jadi talent scout ato pelatih tim junior menggantikan 20le yg naek pangkat jd pelatih tim senior setelah opa fergie pensiun (ngarep mode on)

Oncy
26-07-2010, 12:24 PM
Hingga saatnya para senior itu merasa cukup, dan SAF rela+ikhlas melepas mereka...

rondwisan
19-08-2010, 10:47 AM
Oom Scholes masih menunjukkan kapasitasnya ...
pakde Giggs, meski bbrp kali bikin geregetan ..., masih aja mempertajam rekor goal each seasonnya ...

red_devilz
19-08-2010, 11:13 AM
Prediksi ane , di akhir musim nanti Om Gary Neville ( + Owen Hargreaves ) akan pensiun , sementara Om Paul Scholes + Om Ryan Giggs akan diperpanjang lagi kontraknya selama 1 musim :D

rondwisan
29-08-2010, 12:49 PM
semalem ngarep Oom Giggs gak akan maen full 90 menit ....
tapi ternyata Opa masih menahan doi di lapangan ampe peluit akhir ...
rasanya umur gak bisa dibohongi yaa ...
meski masih sempet menang sprint ..., but rasanya kok malah kasihan yaa ..., hikss :(

fredrian.seven
29-08-2010, 01:21 PM
Sama sam..aku juga kasihan. Kasihan giggs juga united. Gimana youngster bisa gantiin klo mereka nggak dapet kesempatan. Pas unggul 3-0 aku berharap youngster dapet kesempatan tapi fergie malah mutusin giggs maen full.
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and1
29-08-2010, 02:54 PM
kan slot 3 subtitute semalem buat debut smalling di EPL, kesempatan maen buat owen & carrick yg di 2 match pertama jarang dpt kesempatan

Ucup Carrick
29-08-2010, 03:00 PM
scholes justru makin vital belakangan ini....
walah....nunggu matengnya gibson atau beli pemain baru nih setelah ozil gagal...

sellamanyaunited
29-08-2010, 06:16 PM
ini suksesor giggs ama scholes udah mateng belom?
kalo belom bisa berabe nih pas sholes ama giggs pensiun

fredrian.seven
29-08-2010, 06:25 PM
nggak tau juga mbak sella. Sejauh ini kesempatan buat pemaen muda masih minim.blom bisa dinilai mateng atau nggak. Mungkin ntar pas piala carling bisa dilihat gimana performa mereka.
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sellamanyaunited
29-08-2010, 06:54 PM
ooh begitu ya om fred?
oke deh ditunggu kalo pemain muda masuk ke skuad inti dalam EPL agak riskan juga, aturan opa beli aja tuh pemain tengah yg lumayan mateng buat gantiin scholes ama giggs, berasa banget united ada yg kurang kl gak ada mereka.
tapi denger2 cleverley bagus ya? sayang mau dipinjemin ke wigan.
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erin
29-08-2010, 10:36 PM
semalem ngarep Oom Giggs gak akan maen full 90 menit ....
tapi ternyata Opa masih menahan doi di lapangan ampe peluit akhir ...
rasanya umur gak bisa dibohongi yaa ...
meski masih sempet menang sprint ..., but rasanya kok malah kasihan yaa ..., hikss :(

ia opa..
kirain valencia bakal gantiin masuk..
taunya giggs smpe akhir..
pas menit 70-an udh rada susah tuh,sering hilang bola juga..
tp masih salut ma spiritnya...^:)^
:thumbup:

Andi Istiabudi
29-08-2010, 10:44 PM
Sir Alex Ferguson lagi fokus meraih rekor 19 kali juara EPL sehingga kontribusi pemain senior masih sangat diharapkannya musim ini meskipun harus diakui usia dan kondisi mereka tidak bisa dibohongi lagi.

Max25
30-08-2010, 01:33 AM
selain scholesy yang terus menanjak performanya, juga melihat proses dribling dan gocekan giggs selama match vs west ham oke banged jd inget 90an ... =((
ditambah driblingnya sblm dijatuhkan spector, tipikal giggs banged ... ;)

giggs waktu vs fulham cuma tampil beberapa menit yah .., mungkin SAF memberikan kesempatan dgn perhitungannya .., termasuk mencadangkan valencia ... 8->

sellamanyaunited
30-08-2010, 06:08 AM
iya iya persaingan liga inggris ketat banget, kalo ngambil pemain muda sekedar regenerasi susah juga ntar malah kehilangan poin2 penting.
gue sih mikir aturan fergie beli 1 pemain muda mateng yg udah biasa main buat lini tengah sekalian suksesor giggs ama scholes
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Supernan
30-08-2010, 09:12 AM
ahhh gila passing Scholes ke Giggs bner" passing kelas jadoel!!! Gokil kelasss dunia!!! Bola nyamperin pemaen bukan pemaen nyamperin bola.....akurat bngt yaq!? :)

pweechevalier
31-08-2010, 01:39 PM
ahhh gila passing Scholes ke Giggs bner" passing kelas jadoel!!! Gokil kelasss dunia!!! Bola nyamperin pemaen bukan pemaen nyamperin bola.....akurat bngt yaq!? :)

Setuju...
Gw juga gak habis pikir waktu kemaren lawan Westham...
Berapa kali coba Scholes passing jauh ke depan, entah ke Giggs atau ke Nani...kadang ke Evra...
Kok gak ada yg meleset ya??? :confusing:
Takjub gw... :mudance:

wisnu cimol

Wengge Schmeichel
31-08-2010, 01:44 PM
Old Master????
Sampe akhir menutup mata.....
Scholesy 18 LEGEND

Supernan
31-08-2010, 01:51 PM
Apa lagi pas mereka tackle berdua!!! GILA ITU BIKIN gw nangis hahaha lebeiiii :P :hammer: udh kek Tachibana Bersaudara :))

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hendiplast
04-09-2010, 03:39 PM
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Class :D

rondwisan
09-09-2010, 12:55 PM
Golden Oldies
manutd.theoffside.com, Ian - September 8th, 2010

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A few bits of United news have surfaced in recent days, all following a similar theme. Ivor’s post below details the latest rumours of Ryan Giggs being involved in the management of the Welsh team in some form, despite still churning out excellent performances for United. The monthly poll on ManUtd.com named Paul Scholes as player of the month for August. And it has been reported that Edwin van der Sar will be offered a one-year contract extension if he plays 30 games this term. Rooney has been generating the headlines for England, for both right and questionable reasons, but it’s United’s old guys who have been earning the column inches.

Speaking as a Welshman, I have no desire to see Giggs in the Welsh set-up, not yet anyway. That would purely be a distraction from United and as Giggs’ anti-ageing deal with the devil is constantly renewed, he still very much deserves to be there. Scholes recently stated in an interview that this time last season he wasn’t considering his football to be of an acceptable standard and didn’t think the 2010/2011 season would involve him. Although his tackling is still so bad its almost funny, his overall game certainly merited his inclusion this term. And the August player of the month award proves this.

As for van der Sar, if his form continues as it is, I wouldn’t bet against a renewed deal, despite his age. It would take him past his 41st birthday, but who cares? He can still pull off top-class saves every week and if he needs the occasional rest, who would deny him? The manager is very adept at balancing the important games with the inclusion on the team sheet of Giggs, Scholes and Neville, so one more in that clan can surely be managed.

All three’s Reds deserve the accolades they are being given for still playing as exceptionally as ever in their later years. But there is an issue here. It will be a very sad day when these players retire, but it will happen one day. I can’t help but wondering if the supposed new deal for van der Sar shows a little uncertainty in the manager of his other keepers abilities. Not quite the same situation for Giggs and Scholes as there is more depth in the midfield. But I have a nagging thought in my mind that as these players finally slow down, it will be almost impossible to replace them, not because there are no talented footballers out there, but because there is no one yet ready to step into their shoes as talismans.

id4y
09-09-2010, 01:27 PM
The remaining of class 92 are still the best..sallute..!!!
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Redsbusby
09-09-2010, 11:18 PM
Old Master..
Sampe mereka bener-bner habis dan Suksesornya uda siap lahir bathin :thumbup::thumbup:

rondwisan
13-09-2010, 11:35 PM
yah ..., sabtu sore kemaren ...
Trio Macan kembali dipercaya Opa Alex as starter ..., 'n yess, they played 93 minutes :hammer::hammer:
sayang hasilnya tidak seperti yg diharapkan ... :(

drivemein
14-09-2010, 12:20 AM
Fergie fears trio retirement
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United boss admits veterans may be expensive to replace.

Sir Alex Ferguson has admitted Manchester United may have to dig deep to replace the old guard.

For the second summer running, Ferguson has opted not to spend heavily in the transfer market.

United are yet to make a high-profile signing since the departure of Cristiano Ronaldo and Carlos Tevez last year, with United having invested in excess of £20million to capture Javier Hernandez, Chris Smalling and Bebe this summer.

Ferguson's thrifty approach has led to accusations he is being handicapped by the huge debts incurred by the Glazer family, something both he and chief executive David Gill have repeatedly denied.

The United boss feels the Red Devils have enough youngsters coming through at present to do the business.

However, Ferguson accepts he may have to splash out once veterans Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes and Gary Neville hang up their boots.

"We are not at the point where we have to go overboard to get the best player in the world," he said.

"There are enough really top players in the club at the moment.

Stretch

"There may be a time in the next couple of years where we have to stretch ourselves, particularly when Ryan, Paul and Gary retire.

"Then, it is a possibility we would need to get really top players in to galvanise the younger ones coming through.

"But at the moment we have the experience. We have players who have been through the whole gamut of emotions at this club and know how to deal with it."

While Manchester City and Real Madrid have been by far the busiest clubs in the transfer market over the last 18 months, Ferguson insists he has money to spend if he feels his squad is not up to scratch.

One target

"We have no financial restrictions," he said. "If I hadn't been confident maybe we would have done something.

"But there was only one player I would have brought here and that move was sealed off quite early by the club he went to.

"The best thing we can do until the market becomes more sensible is produce or buy young players and develop them in the club.

"By doing that we are easily securing the next eight years at Manchester United."

rondwisan
14-09-2010, 05:02 PM
Ferguson still has faith in golden oldies
ESPNsoccernet - September 13, 2010

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Sir Alex Ferguson says Manchester United will only need to "go overboard" in the transfer market when the likes of Ryan Giggs and Paul Scholes retire.

Despite missing out on the Premier League and Champions League last season, United decided against bringing in established players and instead went for young talents such as Javier Hernandez, Chris Smalling and Bebe.

United have fallen four points behind league leaders Chelsea this season after dropping points against Fulham and Everton but, with veterans Scholes, Giggs and Gary Neville all still involved in the first team, Ferguson remains convinced the squad is able to compete at the highest level.

"We are not at the point where we have to go overboard to get the best player in the world," he said. "There are enough really top players in the club at the moment.

"There may be a time in the next couple of years where we have to stretch ourselves, particularly when Ryan, Paul and Gary retire. Then, it is a possibility we would need to get really top players in to galvanise the younger ones coming through, but at the moment we have the experience.

"We have players who have been through the whole gamut of emotions at this club and know how to deal with it."

It has been suggested on many occasions that United's owners have restricted the funds available to Ferguson, but he insists he was ready to spend if the right opportunity had arisen.

"We have no financial restrictions," he said. "If I hadn't been confident, maybe we would have done something, but there was only one player I would have brought here and that move was sealed off quite early by the club he went to.

"The best thing we can do until the market becomes more sensible is produce or buy young players and develop them in the club. By doing that, we are easily securing the next eight years at Manchester United."

Ferguson also said that, despite the late collapses against Fulham and Everton, United remain a strong defensive unit. "We don't have frailties," he said. "It has been a lack of concentration in our defending."

fredrian.seven
14-09-2010, 05:33 PM
Masih percaya jago tua atau belum percaya pada yang muda? Salut buat trio jago tua karena masih bisa bertahan di tim utama tapi juga sedikit kecewa kenapa yang muda belum dikasih kepercayaan setidaknya sebagai pengganti.
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ferly_Liemz
26-09-2010, 11:46 PM
Gary sepertinya mulai tergeser,meski gw lbh berharap rafael yg geser,bukannya oshea :peace:

Dan scholes musim ini seperti lagi "puber" kedua di mana sedang on form bgt dia musim ini..

Dan giggs harus gw akui semakin menurun sekali..

Vds saja yg konsisten,tp ingat,dia jg manusia yg bisa tua,bukan superman yg selalu hebat..

Intinya...
Segera regenerasi!!
Mereka para youngster di beli buat dia pakai toh,bukan buat di koleksi aja..jgn maksain yg sudah berumur untuk main 90 menit terus2an...

Plis SAF...jgn sampai telat regenerasinya...
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rondwisan
27-09-2010, 12:09 AM
sepertinya Opa udah mulai kurang pede untuk segera regenerasi yaa ...
apa tuntutan pribadinya akan title EPL ke 19 serta UCL ke 4 jadi beban tersendiri
klo sebelumnya khan (era 90-an) seperti nothing to loose gitu ...
sekarang kok berat gitu ..., pdhl Rafael pun udah pantes untuk reguler
yah semoga ntar di Mestalla gak ada formasi sport jantung
klo Scholes diturunin lagi ..., hmmm ..., kasihan bener ...
klo Gary maen ..., hmmm ..., siap2x jantung berdegup kencang ... :hammer::hammer:

rondwisan
07-10-2010, 05:38 PM
07/10/2010 08:23 - ManUtd.com, James Tuck
Berba's respect for Reds trio

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Dimitar Berbatov has added his name to the long list of admirers of team-mates Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes and Gary Neville.

The Reds trio are regularly praised for their continuing ability to perform at the highest level in their mid-thirties.

Berbatov has seen first-hand the dedicated way United’s veteran stars have gone about prolonging their careers, though he doesn’t expect to be able to emulate them.

When Inside United asked the in-form 29-year-old whether he could still see himself playing in five years, he joked: “Me? At 35? No way!

"Seriously, though, everyone is different and you have to know your body is giving you the signals to stop. Having been here for two seasons, I know why Giggs, Scholes, Neville have been here for so long and why they are still playing. Here they have the facilities and the coaching staff who know how to prepare you.

"Obviously you need to focus on the football and when you go home, you have to be professional and know how to live your life. I see all these things in these three guys, especially.

"They are still playing at the highest level, so I think to myself, ‘Can I do that?’ If not, then at least try to see how long I can play for. But when your body tells you, that’s when you have to stop and not make a fool of yourself."

After Berbatov’s stellar start to the season, Reds fans everywhere will be hoping that day isn't coming any time soon.

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Sheyro_07Seven
07-10-2010, 07:18 PM
Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes and Gary Neville "Will Never Die for United",.!!!!!!:army::army::army:

Andi Istiabudi
29-10-2010, 05:32 PM
Trio United Ditawari Gaji Tinggi Klub Dubai

Bola.net - Kabar terhangat datang Inggris, dan menghubungkannya dengan Timur Tengah, Trio veteran Manchester United kabarnya siap diboyong keluar dari Old Trafford oleh klub negara Uni Emirate Arab.

Klub Dubai, Al Ahly, disebut siap menyodorkan kontrak gaji 200 ribu Poundsterling per pekan untuk Ryan Giggs, tidak hanya itu mereka juga bermaksud mengajak kompatriot Giggsy, Paul Scholes, serta Gary Neville.

Hal ini ternyata diotaki oleh David O'Leary pelatih Al Ahly yang dulu pernah menjadi tokoh sentral kehebatan strategi Leeds United selama masih berkecimpung di Premier League, ia ingin memboyong ketiganya pada musim panas tahun depan.

Sebuah sumber dari dalam tubuh United mengungkapkan, "Ryan adalah legenda bagi United, dan masih menjadi bagian penting dari klub ini, namun sama halnya dengan Gary dan Paul, mereka tidak bisa tinggal untuk selamanya,"

"Dia memang selalu menolak untuk pindah, namun ini sungguh tawaran yang menarik untuk menutup karirnya, setidaknya ada bayaran tinggi meski di sana terik,"

"Sama halnya untuk Gary dan juga Neville,"

Giggs kini berumur 36 tahun, Scholes, 35 tahun, begitu juga Gary 35 tahun, dan semua orang ini akan berakhir kontraknya pada musim panas mendatang.

Jika ketiganya mau bergabung ke Al Ahly, maka mereka akan bertemu dengan pemain veteran lain di sana, yakni mantan bek Juventus, Fabio Cannavaro.

Gaji yang bisa diperoleh di sana begitu tinggi, bahkan tanpa harus menanggung pajak besar seperti di Inggris, Cannavaro bertutur, "Saya selalu berpikir saya akan bahagia jika bisa hidup di Dubai, dan ternyata saya bisa mewujudkan mimpi saya,"

Ketiga pemain United itu sendiri sudah tidak asing dengan Dubai, mereka pernah berlibur ke sana untuk menikmati keindahan kota itu, bahkan Gary Neville pun sudah memiliki sebuah properti di sana. (sun/lex)

Source : http://www.bola.net

finza_13
29-10-2010, 06:31 PM
Al Ahly mau borong pemain nih,kalau ex tim lain mungkin mau aja tuh dapet duit gede di masa pensiun,tp rasanya trio United akan dengan tegas menolak.United till die

"Ryan adalah legenda bagi United, dan masih menjadi bagian penting dari klub ini, namun sama halnya dengan Gary dan Paul, mereka tidak bisa tinggal untuk selamanya,"

like this :)>-

hendiplast
27-02-2011, 08:53 PM
Faith in Ryan Giggs and Paul Scholes is correct but cannot be enduring
Should Manchester United win a 19th title this season they will have taken a markedly different route to eclipsing Liverpool's record

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Try this for a quiz question. What do Graeme Souness, Terry McDermott, Mark Lawrenson, John Aldridge and Ray and Alan Kennedy all have in common? Apart from playing for Liverpool at the height of their success and contributing to the record 18 titles that Manchester United are now on the verge of overhauling.

The answer is that all of them were moved on to other clubs at the same age, roughly 31. Even Emlyn Hughes only stuck around at Anfield until he was 32. Liverpool in the 70s and 80s were widely admired for their businesslike knack of extracting the best years from a player then shipping him out while he still had a little shelf life remaining. When coupled with an equally slick facility for finding quality replacements and having them ready to step up exactly when needed, Liverpool at the time appeared to have found the blueprint for continued, seamless success. The faces would change but the style of play and the winning ethos remained the same. That, as Dire Straits were singing at around the same time, is the way you do it.

Or it used to be. Should Manchester United win a 19th title this season they will have taken a markedly different route to achieving the same consistency. At the age of 37 Ryan Giggs has just signed a contract extension to cover next season, and Paul Scholes, one year younger, is thought to be about to do the same. Sir Alex Ferguson certainly wants him to, and with United reportedly willing to pay him £60,000 per week it appears Oldham Athletic's hopes may be dashed once again.

These are not just players who were involved in the historic treble campaign of 12 years ago, they are players who began their United careers in the early 90s. Giggs made his league debut 20 years ago on Wednesday and has been a virtual ever-present since the 1991‑92 season, when Howard Wilkinson's Leeds kept Ferguson waiting for his first title, while Scholes came to the fore in 1994-95, when there were still 22 teams in the Premier League and the top three at the end of the season were Blackburn, United and Nottingham Forest.

Watching the United midfield's laboured attempts to break down Marseille in midweek it could be readily understood why Ferguson still feels he needs the creative input of Scholes and Giggs – even at their present ages they appear to have more to offer than Darron Gibson and Michael Carrick – yet it still came as something of a shock to work out that when Wayne Rooney offered the excuse that "a few big players were missing", he must have been referring to a duo whose careers seemed to be drawing to a close several years ago.

Giggs, in particular, is playing better now than he was in his early 30s. He has not quite travelled full circle to rediscover the exhilarating freedom of his youth, but he has refined his game to focus on what he can still do to good effect and become a more economical and effective player in the process. A section of the Old Trafford crowd used to be on Giggs's back a few years ago, moaning that he took too many wrong options, failed to see the killer pass and frequently misdirected his final ball. Now Giggs has corrected most of those faults United fans want to see as much of him as they can, knowing that this legend is now as large and as valid as anything from the club's illustrious past.

Scholes is regarded in much the same way, though it is hard to argue the midfielder is playing some of the best football of his career at the moment. By his own admission, he isn't, and neither is he scoring as many goals as he used to, largely because he is playing deeper. If he is still seen as United's best midfielder it is because the competition in that department has yet to match his peerless standards. Scholes stands out more due to the relative ordinariness of the players around him. United keep assuming he will fade into the background then realising they still need him.

And this is the team that could topple the Liverpool record. The team that could finally count out Chelsea's wavering defence of the title with victory at Stamford Bridge on Tuesday. Chelsea's loss to Liverpool this month means the game can no longer be seen as the title showdown Carlo Ancelotti had been hoping, but with Arsenal in such close pursuit United can ill afford to drop points anywhere. Their away record is a recognised weak point this season, the leaders have to travel to Liverpool as well as Chelsea in the next eight days, and as long as Arsenal can keep in touch at the top they can look forward to a May Day meeting with United at the Emirates that could go a long way to deciding where the title ends up.

If events do work out that way, attention is more or less bound to focus on the irresistible subplot involving Scholes and Jack Wilshere, two players who are not only similar to each other in style and temperament but have been singled out by their peers as the best of their generation. Only time will establish whether Wilshere really is the new Scholes, but time is certainly on his side. Ferguson must wish he had Scholes aged 19 all over again. True, the United man has all the experience, but football is essentially a young man's game and Ferguson surely cannot keep turning to the same players. That is precisely what he did two years ago, when to general surprise he used Giggs and Scholes in the 2009 Champions League final, only for United to lose quite badly. A Scholes goal had been enough to dismiss Barcelona the previous season, but the Catalans were all over United in Rome.

Not even the most remarkable careers can go on for ever. United, like Chelsea, appear in danger of being caught out by diminishing returns, and when you can spot the signs it is usually too late. While Arsenal may not catch up this season, at least they know how to replenish.

Wenger's simple recipe for success

Today's two Wembley managers know each other of old. When Alex McLeish left Rangers in 2006 declaring he could never manage another Scottish club, he awarded himself a sabbatical and went around the world studying management in different sports.

The only English football club he chose to visit was Arsenal, where Arsène Wenger made him welcome. He felt he already knew so much about Sir Alex Ferguson and his methods there was little point spending any more time at Manchester United, so he went to see his old pal's greatest rival, the Frenchman who had interrupted United's success with three titles and a couple of doubles in his first decade in England.

"Arsène treated me very well, and told me something significant," the Birmingham City manager recalls. "I asked him what makes a great manager, and he gave me the answer straight away. 'Great players,' is all he said. He's good at the one liners and I was tempted to laugh, but it happens to be true. It's spotting the talent, isn't it? Arsène's done very well at that over the years."

Guardian

ferly_Liemz
09-04-2011, 02:41 PM
Gary sudah pensiun... VDS musim ini pensiun...

Saepertinya giggs atau paul akan menjadikan musim depan sebagai musim terakhir mereka...

Ingin rasanya United mempersembahkan treble untuk keempat Legenda ini...

Amin...
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Blacklist7
10-04-2011, 01:41 AM
Maaf klo OOT... klo ada yg dapet kabar siaran live Gary Neville Testimonial match vs Juventus, saya dikabarin ya???

syukur syukur ada yg punya file HD nya... biar bisa disimpan... hehehehe buat cerita anak cucu...

VDS ada Testimonial Match nya ga ya??? Giggs??? hehehehe

rondwisan
14-04-2012, 01:35 AM
Enough dech ya ...
Saatnya yg muda yg bercinta ..., eh ..., bertempur :D
Oom Scholed udah bener pensiun, eh lha kok dipanggil lagi ama Opa X_X
C'mon opa, kasih kepercayaan ama yg muda2 .., meski permainannya akan jauh menurun, but itu salah satu batu sandungan yg harus dilewati ..
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theater of dream
14-04-2012, 02:19 AM
Gimana mau kasih yang muda, ditinggal 1 match aja udah kehilangan 3 poin..
seperti nya gw bilang2 sebelum kalo udah ngomongin soal midfield kita2 bakal labil semua dan cendrung fickle :))
kemaren bilang not ok..
hari ini bilang ok..
besok not oke.
lusa ok...
dan seterus nya sampai kapan kita ngga tahu..:(
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Sir Alsep Ferguson
14-04-2012, 08:18 AM
iya nih..
pengen banget ngeliat pogba...cleverley..atau petrucci lebih sering di mainkan...

sebuah tim yang sedang regenerasi pasti ada efek yang di timbulkan...

tapi di suatu sisi...membuat pemain muda lebih matang dalam bermain

panda777
14-04-2012, 10:29 PM
Saya yakin, pemain binaan asli United tidak kalah kinclongnya dari pemain dari akademi klub2 besar eropa macam La Massia. Dan yang namanya regenerasi pasti membutuhkan waktu dan tahap, dikit dikit aja tapi dilakukan dengan serius agar hasilnya maksimal..

Ayo maksimalkan potensi pemuda-pemuda United..^^
Agar opa-opa yang udah senior bisa melihat United dengan kepala tegak dan kebanggaan dari bangku penonton nantinya..

Billy.Sutoyo
20-08-2012, 11:19 AM
I just cant imagine yet, United without Giggs and Scholes

There is no UNITED without giggs and scholes ya bro? lol ada yg kurang rasanya kl gak ada mreka ber 2

rondwisan
17-09-2012, 09:57 PM
Carragher: I’m Jealous Of Giggs And Scholes
theRoM.com - September 17, 2012

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Jamie Carragher has admitted today that he is jealous of Paul Scholes and Ryan Giggs for all the success they’ve had with United. Carragher’s best moment for Liverpool was winning the European Cup, but our legends have done that twice. Liverpool haven’t won the league since 1990, when Carragher was just 12-years-old old, whilst Giggs has 12 league winners medals whilst Scholes has 10.

“I’d love to have won the league for Liverpool as it’s been so long,” he said. “But were we ever really good enough? We never threw it away. There was always someone better than us. These players who say, ‘Oh, I’ve won the league three times.’ They’ve been at Chelsea or United but they’re not a regular. They play all over the place, they come in, they go out. I could do that. I could do that for Chelsea or United, not a problem. But I’ve been one of the main players for Liverpool, winning the European Cup, winning the Cup treble. OK, I’m probably jealous of Giggs and Scholes and their titles and European Cups. But I played for my team my whole life and I’ve been one of the main players in what we’ve done. I could have won the league going somewhere else and just playing 25 games. I’m good enough to have won the league. I’m not trying to sound big-headed but more often than not we’ve had one of the best defensive records each season.”

rondwisan
17-09-2012, 11:04 PM
di post sebelum milestones match vs Wigan weekend lalu nih ...
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Fergie: I’m Lucky To Have Devoted Players Like Scholes And Giggs
theRoM.cm - September 15, 2012

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If he plays today, Ryan Giggs will be making his 600th Premier League appearance, whilst Paul Scholes is ready to make his 700th appearance for the club and Rio Ferdinand his 400th.

“My personal feeling is that Ryan can play for another couple of years,” said Ferguson. “Paul’s a different physical specimen to Ryan and he’s had his injuries – two knee injuries, an eye injury – and yet he’s playing his 700th game. It’s phenomenal. Rio’s also playing his 400th game. It’s a landmark for the three players and it’s a great example to the younger players about what can be achieved if they sacrifice in football. These players have done that or they would never have got to this stage.”

Before the international break, United had been losing to Southampton before Scholes was subbed on. Whilst Robin van Persie scored a hattrick and claimed the headlines, the Dutchman claimed that it was Scholes who should have been named Man of the Match.

“You can’t judge Ryan’s performances at the moment because I haven’t played him! But he will be involved in a lot of games this season, as normal, and I’m sure we’ll see his ability,” said Ferguson. “Paul came on against Southampton and it was like opening a door to another room. He brought order to the game. His selection and accuracy of passes changed the game. Southampton didn’t know what to do with him. That’s a great credit to the lad. He’ll always produce quality. He could be playing in 10 years in a former players’ game and still show what a fantastic player he is. I’m lucky to have worked with them both. It’s not a matter of being proud to have had them. It’s more a matter of saying, ‘I’m lucky to have had two devoted players like that’. It’s been brilliant.”

1. Giggs 910
2. Charlton 758
3. Scholes 699
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24. Ferdinand 399

rondwisan
17-09-2012, 11:23 PM
semoga Scholes udah bisa pensiun dengan tenang musim depan #eehh
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17/09/2012 15:00 - ManUtd.com, Stewart Gardner
Blog: Master and apprentice

http://www.manutd.com/~/media/6E32F78D2EE242A5A99DE20C9DD73262.ashx?h=359&la=ar-SA&w=240&rgn=70,2,433,547

Nick Powell must have felt 10-feet tall when he drove into Carrington this morning. Scoring a belting goal on your Old Trafford debut is the stuff dreams are made of.

What's more, Sir Alex Ferguson suggested the 18-year-old could eventually fill the boots of the great Paul Scholes. That's some accolade. Indeed, there was a nice symmetry in Saturday's 4-0 win over Wigan. The rout was started by Scholes on his 700th appearance and completed by Powell, on his first.

Of course, Nick Powell has a long way to go before he can genuinely be compared to one of United's all-time greats but the signs are good – two good feet, vision and a real eye for goal, as we saw when he banged in 16 goals for Crewe last season. I hope he takes the opportunity to learn as much as he possibly can from Scholes during training sessions (tackling aside, perhaps!).

One thing I hope he doesn't copy the great man in is the impeccable body swerve and drop of the shoulder he uses to avoid interviews. I had hoped to grab a word with Scholes after the game on Saturday and rushed down to the tunnel as soon as possible.

First of all, I interviewed the boss. Midway through, I heard shouts from outside the player entrance of "Paul, Paul" from autograph hunters. Yes, the great man had already gone. He ghosted past the TV cameras and was already heading for his car just minutes after the final whistle.

Scholes never had any real interest in personal milestones or talking about himself. For him, it's just a case of play the game and go home. He's always been like that and will never change.

Luckily, Nick Powell was willing to speak to MUTV about his big day. What was my piercing first question? "Nick, that's a day you'll never remember." Cut.

He looked slightly perplexed at my incompetence. Thankfully it wasn't live and we could do it again. Hopefully I'll get to interview him many times over the years

fredrian.seven
18-09-2012, 05:54 AM
Seingatku... semusim lalu saat akhir musim 10/11 pas Scholes memutuskan pensiun kondisi pemainan Scholes nggak seperti saat ini. Saat menjelang akhir dia bermain tidak terlalu bagus dan lebih banyak sebagai pengganti. Puncaknya saat dapet kartu merah di final FA vs city saat jadi pemaen pengganti.

Tapi semua berubah hanya dengan "istirahat" 1/2 musim 11/12. Bulan Januari 2012 come back dan jadi salah satu pemaen terbaik (dan bisa jadi tidak tergantikan seandainya faktor fisik tidak mematasi) di skuad United saat itu hingga musim ini.

sorry klo ternyata ingatanku salah :D

rondwisan
18-09-2012, 10:27 AM
Sepertinya begitu Oom Ded ....
Bertapa setengah tahun aja udah dpt wangsit yang pas untuk kembali turun gunung ... :peace:

rondwisan
30-09-2012, 12:56 AM
Gimana-gimana umur gak bisa bohong X_X
Meski bisa menjaga kebugaran, tetep aja kalah stamina ama yg muda-muda ...
Ini kompetisi yg ketat, ayo dong Opa it's time to youngster .... :peace:

fredrian.seven
30-09-2012, 01:36 AM
Gimana-gimana umur gak bisa bohong X_X
Meski bisa menjaga kebugaran, tetep aja kalah stamina ama yg muda-muda ...
Ini kompetisi yg ketat, ayo dong Opa it's time to youngster .... :peace:

http://sportige.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/ferguson460x276.jpg

Fergie : Siapa loe ngasih saran2 segala.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45354000/jpg/_45354421_fergiefinger226282.jpg

Fergie : Selama gua ngelatih United, Giggs dan Scholes akan tetap maen. Ingat itu... Jangan pernah tanya lagi!

:peace: Sam...

irfi_1
30-09-2012, 03:22 AM
http://sportige.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/ferguson460x276.jpg

Fergie : Siapa loe ngasih saran2 segala.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45354000/jpg/_45354421_fergiefinger226282.jpg

Fergie : Selama gua ngelatih United, Giggs dan Scholes akan tetap maen. Ingat itu... Jangan pernah tanya lagi!

:peace: Sam...

hohoho..mnrt saya Giggs mending jgn sbgi starting XI..apalagi lawannya pnya pemain muda yg larinya kenceng, kayak Bale, Lennon,..kalau scholes sih masih blm ada yg bisa nyamain..umpannya PASTI PAS!!! saatnya percayakan kpd yg muda. kalau match EPL lawan Newcastle msh pake formasi pemain sprti td, ya siap2 saja deg2an..:D

troy andreas
30-09-2012, 04:29 AM
Benar United butuh Giggs & Scholes, juga Ferdinand karena pengalaman & skill mereka, tapi sampai kapan??
Pemain muda juga butuh jam terbang utk meningkatkan pengalaman & skill mereka layaknya Scholes, Giggs, Ferdi & senior lainnya..
Come on, bicara realistis.. United memang butuh pemain berpengalaman, tapi sampe kapan? United butuh regenerasi & pemberian kesempatan kepada pemain muda

fredrian.seven
30-09-2012, 06:20 PM
Yang kadang bikin bingung... Fergie pasti dah tau Giggs dan Scholes dah berumur. Fergie sadar butuh pengganti tapi...

1. Tidak beli atau kasarnya yang siap pakai dengan berbagai alasan (seringnya sih no value).

2. Tidak mau "memaksa" the next Scholes and Giggs datang dari youngster atau stok yang ada dengan terus memberikan mereka kesempatan.

Yang ada seolah "Living in a History" aja. Apa Fergie ingin penerus dua orang itu tiba2 muncul ya? Mo beli nggak mau, mau "ngebentuk" juga nggak juga. Bingung...

Jadi ya... mungkin Giggs dan Scholes akan terus bertahan selama Fergie ada di United :nohope:

#curhatfanstressssss

Redsbusby
30-09-2012, 08:29 PM
Ferguson ini filosofi berkaitan dgn pemain 'berpengalaman' harus segera diubah nih, di sesuain dgn sepakbola jaman skrg. Masa iya mainin 2 orangtua berbarengan buat hadepin 5 Ferrari di lapangan tengah Hotspurs...ckckck..

Sampai kapan Fergie? Sampai kapan gak sadar-sadar dunia udah berubah ? hehehe. just my 2 cents

arson pelipus
30-09-2012, 09:44 PM
Kalau sy giggs boleh tdk untuk starter.tp scholes harus jd starter krn saat ini blm ada yg bisa memainkan peran sbg gelandang pengatur ritme permainan sebaik scholes......

memberikan kesempatan pemain muda saat ini jg blm menjanjikan,krn pemain muda yg dimiliki united saat ini ngga ada yg terlalu istimewa khususnya di lini tengah sama depan......tp 2org yg saya sangat harap opa memberi lebih yaitu lingard n cleverley.....

berdoa saja smoga hari demi hari pemain muda mau latian keras n termotivasi utk lebih baik lagi...sehingga mereka siap menggantikan giggs ama scholes...amieennn

Redsbusby
30-09-2012, 09:59 PM
Maksud saya bukan scholes harus terus starter jg sih om..hehehe
Dia gak bakal bisa main starter terus, dan mungkin starter di partai2 penting aja..

Pemain muda kita menjanjikan kok, hanya aja fergie msh terlalu khawatir dgn sesuatu yg saya rasa gak perlu dikahawatirkan.. Khawatir pemain muda gak bisa sesuai harapannya. Pengganti scholes emang ga ada tp bukan berarti gk ada pemain yg bisa memberikan kontribusi yg sama dgn dia.. Fokusnya disini adalah match lawan hotspurs, yg sekali lg msh gahabis pikir kenapa mau lawan USain Bolt FC dgn mengandalkan 2 pemain uzur secara bersamaan :(

theater of dream
30-09-2012, 10:13 PM
Harus ada keseimbangan...
disatu sisi kita tentu ingin melakukan pengembangan pemain2 muda dengan memperbanyak jam terbang nya, tapi disisi lain kita juga butuh poin dan kemenangan untuk mendapatkan Trophy..
kalo sibuk2 aja mikirin pengembangan pemain muda tanpa mempedulikan yang lain ntar jadi nya kek Arsenal, ujung2 nya pemain yang udah jadi ngga betah karena ngga pernah dapat piala dan ujung2 nya merugikan klub juga :devil1:

arson pelipus
30-09-2012, 10:20 PM
Maksud saya bukan scholes harus terus starter jg sih om..hehehe
Dia gak bakal bisa main starter terus, dan mungkin starter di partai2 penting aja..

Pemain muda kita menjanjikan kok, hanya aja fergie msh terlalu khawatir dgn sesuatu yg saya rasa gak perlu dikahawatirkan.. Khawatir pemain muda gak bisa sesuai harapannya. Pengganti scholes emang ga ada tp bukan berarti gk ada pemain yg bisa memberikan kontribusi yg sama dgn dia.. Fokusnya disini adalah match lawan hotspurs, yg sekali lg msh gahabis pikir kenapa mau lawan USain Bolt FC dgn mengandalkan 2 pemain uzur secara bersamaan :(
kl kuatir pastilahhhh, seorang pelatih tau pasti bagaimana kondisi pemain setiap harinya.....apa lagi opa d bantu oleh asisten2 hebat.....kan opa sdh lakukan dipartai partai tertentu,musim ini peluang utk pemain muda membuktikan...peluang pemain muda ada d capital.....
soal opa mainin giggs kayaknya opa bingung dech,krn beberapa pemain sdh d coba,ditambah stok utk pemain sayap kiri minim.....sebelumnya welbeck dicoba,tp kurang maksimal,...pemain muda d posisi itu juga kurang,dulu saya berharap sama morrison tp syg krn sikapnya terpaksa d jual...
sabar saja, smuanya pasti akan kembali...badai cidera yg menggangu jg jd bingung opa...

arson pelipus
30-09-2012, 10:24 PM
Harus ada keseimbangan...
disatu sisi kita tentu ingin melakukan pengembangan pemain2 muda dengan memperbanyak jam terbang nya, tapi disisi lain kita juga butuh poin dan kemenangan untuk mendapatkan Trophy..
kalo sibuk2 aja mikirin pengembangan pemain muda tanpa mempedulikan yang lain ntar jadi nya kek Arsenal, ujung2 nya pemain yang udah jadi ngga betah karena ngga pernah dapat piala dan ujung2 nya merugikan klub juga :devil1:
SEPAKAT.....om
pemain2 muda yg skrg tdk banyak yg mempunyai keistimewaan seperti dulu.....class of 92 banyak memiliki keistimewaan sendiri.....giggs dgn drible,nicky butt permainan kerasnya,scholes determinasi penyerangannya,beckham umpan akurasi,neville bertahan n menyerang sama bagusnya.....kl skrg pemain muda kualitas biasa2 saja,cuman cleverly n lingard sedikit istimewa.....

Redsbusby
30-09-2012, 10:26 PM
Nah, itu setujuu :D ttg penempatan giggsy. Fergie itu naruh 5 pemain tengah untuk mengimbangi 5 pemain tengah yg dipunya hotspurs.. pake giggs mungkin karena berharap tim bisa ekspos pertahanan lewat serangan sayap, nani+giggs, eh ternyata pas counter attack mereka, terutama giggsy, kalah cepet, dan justru jd bulan2an para penyisir lapangan hotspurs :(

arson pelipus
30-09-2012, 10:38 PM
Kl giggs msh bisa ditutupi oleh evra semalam walaupun msh ada beberapa moment masih bisa dilewati oleh lennon, cuman d nani aja, tidak bisa bantu rafael utk bertahan 2 gol dr kanan terus.....itu saja kl duet carrick n scholes dua org itu tdk boleh naik bersamaan serangan baliknya yg ditakuti...baliknya susah....hehehe

theater of dream
30-09-2012, 10:54 PM
Memang fakta nya Giggs keluar dan Roo masuk permainan kita jadi berubah drastis, tapi bukan berarti Giggs jadi penyebab kekacauan permainan kita di babak l, sperti kabar nya ada fans yang boo Giggs.. what a silly :nohope:
kita hancur lebur di semua lini dan hampir ngga satupun pergerakan kita yang cukup mengancam gawang Spurs..

ANDRE INX
01-10-2012, 12:18 AM
http://sportige.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/ferguson460x276.jpg

Fergie : Siapa loe ngasih saran2 segala.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45354000/jpg/_45354421_fergiefinger226282.jpg

Fergie : Selama gua ngelatih United, Giggs dan Scholes akan tetap maen. Ingat itu... Jangan pernah tanya lagi!

:peace: Sam...

heheehe izin nyimak, ane stuju sama opa ron, Umur ga bisa bohong, tinggi jam terbang sama pengalaman ga cukup di kompetisi yg ketat di epl, di pertandingan lawan Spurs paman Giggs kita terlihat kalah cepat,, semangat ane mulai terpancing lagi saat Rooney masuk..mulai memberikan kepercayaan ke yg muda ane rasa udh saat nya, klo ga kapan lagi, nunggu paman Giggs dan Scholes jantungan di lapangan?? hehe

kemaren sih berharap United mengkolaborasikan squad yg dimainin vs NU sama yg tua, biar ga kalah stamina bagi yg tua.. Clev bermain bagus di timnas dan di laga vs NU Ando juga..Rooney memainkan peran nya malam itu juga sangat bagus...

ANDRE INX
01-10-2012, 12:33 AM
Harus ada keseimbangan...
disatu sisi kita tentu ingin melakukan pengembangan pemain2 muda dengan memperbanyak jam terbang nya, tapi disisi lain kita juga butuh poin dan kemenangan untuk mendapatkan Trophy..
kalo sibuk2 aja mikirin pengembangan pemain muda tanpa mempedulikan yang lain ntar jadi nya kek Arsenal, ujung2 nya pemain yang udah jadi ngga betah karena ngga pernah dapat piala dan ujung2 nya merugikan klub juga :devil1:

nah, pas.... harus ada keseimbangan, tp kyknya keseimbangan itu yg belum ada kan bg, disaat performa fisik jadi kambinghitamnya United juga belum percaya sama pemain muda yg jelas memiliki kemampuan nyaris sama dengan yg tua jam terbang.. hehe

Didit_GGMU
07-10-2012, 09:51 AM
Harus 20 Gelar dulu sebelum Opa Giggs ama scholes gantung sepatu :devil3:

rondwisan
07-10-2012, 12:28 PM
Hehehee ..... :D
Gitu ya Mas Bro ....
Moga aja kagak justru jadi handicap buat United ..
Pengalaman emang perlu, tapi gk bisa dipaksakan selalu di lapangan khan ...., imo sih :peace:

fredrian.seven
18-11-2012, 03:15 AM
Mimpi buruk kekalahan United atas Norwich pun berlanjut. " Sir Alex Ferguson believes Paul Scholes still has another season left in him", kutipan berita di MEN. Tidak ada ucapan eksplisit Fergie seperti di atas, tapi kalimat di atas dah jadi mimpi buruk. Makin buruk klo "Paul Scholes" diganti "Ryan Giggs".

troy andreas
18-11-2012, 03:22 AM
Mimpi buruk kekalahan United atas Norwich pun berlanjut. " Sir Alex Ferguson believes Paul Scholes still has another season left in him", kutipan berita di MEN. Tidak ada ucapan eksplisit Fergie seperti di atas, tapi kalimat di atas dah jadi mimpi buruk. Makin buruk klo "Paul Scholes" diganti "Ryan Giggs".

Masih untung Ferdinand diganti, uda lihat kontribusinya tadi pas lawan Norwich kan? kalah adu lari :|

rondwisan
18-11-2012, 06:21 PM
Klo di awal thread yg disorot Giggs, Scholes ama Gary Nev, skrng Oom Gary Nev bener2 out, ganti Rio deh yg sering kedodoran .... :(
Uncle Giggs ama Scholes sekali maen bagus, ntar beberapa kali off form :((

troy andreas
18-11-2012, 09:14 PM
Klo di awal thread yg disorot Giggs, Scholes ama Gary Nev, skrng Oom Gary Nev bener2 out, ganti Rio deh yg sering kedodoran .... :(
Uncle Giggs ama Scholes sekali maen bagus, ntar beberapa kali off form :((

Faktor umur, stamina tak sekuat pengalaman :D :))

UNITED1878
20-11-2012, 07:27 AM
memang faktor usia ga bisa bohong walau pengalaman segudang. fisik juga harus mendukung. berharap ando-cleverley makin mateng aja kalo gini caranya :amazed:

hendrikYP
21-11-2012, 02:07 PM
ijin nyimak dlu lah

rondwisan
28-11-2012, 11:54 PM
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Dying of the light for Giggs and Scholes
Soccernet, John Brewin




Old Trafford is becoming a place of plinth. In the Stretford End's concourse, a statue of Denis Law greets fans. Outside the East Stand, Law is also part of a 'Holy Trinity' mount alongside George Best and Bobby Charlton. They stand opposite their mentor, Sir Matt Busby.

Friday saw the unveiling of a statue of Sir Alex Ferguson behind the former North Stand that now bears his name. There were attendant legends to help the old man celebrate. Eric Cantona, as ever, was the centre of attention but his company was hardly much less stellar. Ruud Van Nistelrooy, Dwight Yorke, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer and Andy Cole are four of the club's greatest strikers, while Edwin Van Der Saar is still much missed as a goalkeeper.

The following day, with Cantona having taken his regal leave, much of the old boys' gathering attended United's game with Queens Park Rangers. Andy Cole has a season ticket with his son, while Yorke is still a regular at the ground and still trains with the club from time to time. The Dutch pair and their wives took their seats in the directors' box.

A row behind them sat Brian McClair, by the former striker's side was Ryan Giggs. As the only current player with any club to have pre-dated the Premier League, Giggs has played with every one of the aforementioned. His longevity is unrivalled by anyone in United history, and the day a statue is struck for him cannot be far away.

On Saturday, Giggs and his former comrades looked on as one of their own played. Paul Scholes, like Giggs, played with every one of the Ferguson plinth party. He is as much as a United legend as any of them. Bobby Charlton, who passed 60 years with the club this year, has always loved Scholes above all others.

Scholes enjoys a footballing afterlife none of his illustrious forebears ever managed. A year ago, he was an ex-footballer, a quiet and peripheral presence at the Carrington training ground. It was hoped he could pass on his magic to the club's youngsters but he never took to coaching. As the year turned into 2012, Scholes was in Ferguson's office, asking if he could play again. Ferguson, who had often joked that he would decide when Scholes and Giggs could retire, was happy to take up the offer. On New Year's Eve, he had been forced to field a midfield pairing of Rafael and Park Ji-Sung. Blackburn, the worst team in the league, had beaten United.

Scholes' resurrection after being a surprise substitute in the FA Cup Third Round at Manchester City almost took United to their 20th title. He looked rusty against City that day, but was soon dictating play in the manner he always had. A goal and strutting display against QPR in April, a match won before City faltered at Arsenal, took United eight points clear. They had won every game he had started, but the big push was stopped in its tracks by defeat at Wigan, a game that Scholes sat out.

A night where City crushed West Bromwich Albion 4-0 swung a done-and-dusted title race towards a death match at Eastlands. Ferguson started both Scholes and Giggs, and United began the brighter, looking composed before Vincent Kompany's headed winner on half-time. The hardy perennials could not get into the game and United were reduced to long-ball football. City, with greater athleticism and energy, assumed total control of midfield. Forget Sergio Aguero's goal on May 13 if you can; it was here that United truly lost their title.
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Sir Alex Ferguson: Talked Paul Scholes into a return after he hung up his boots

Scholes is said to have taken some persuasion to continue, but Ferguson still needs him, such has been the reluctance or inability to find a replacement. Scholes has played in 10 of United's first 13 matches, though was only a substitute in the bigger games - unused against Chelsea and Arsenal, and from half-time at Liverpool. Rangers - lesser opposition by any measure this season - is the type of game where Scholes still expects to thrive but he could not. Rangers got at him, frustrated him, and the legendary radar was off. He was booked for snapping into the type of tackle that has always provided fuel for detractors. Scholes was once regarded as the heir to Cantona, the 'Ginger Prince' to the 'King' though it is perhaps his tackling that is most similar. Old Trafford would gasp in anxious anticipation when Cantona launched himself into a tackle, and breathe out only when he missed his target. Scholes draws a similar hand-over-eyes reaction.

United's eventual victory came only after Scholes was replaced by Anderson. The tubby Brazilian supplied the clinching goal for Javier Hernandez after a burst of pace that was never Scholes' trademark but which United had lacked all game. Scholes had departed in dejection, barely acknowledging the hand-shake of his manager. He has always had the highest standards of himself, and a keen awareness of when he is not wanted, as England discovered way back in 2004.

The previous week had seen Giggs play in Scholes' position in United's twilight zone of a midfield. In a far more troubling manner than Scholes against Rangers, Giggs was simply overrun by Norwich City's energy. As at Wigan in April, he was paired with Michael Carrick, a combination which has worked in the past, and usually against Chelsea in particular, but has now exceeded its usefulness. Giggs, though he is 39 this week, once provided energy and speed to the pair but could supply neither at Carrow Road. United never once looked like staging a trademark comeback win.

It was a performance to endanger a legacy. Believe it or not, there are those United fans who have never seen the point of Giggs. Many perhaps do not recall a Manchester United team without Giggs, or those early years in which he carried with him the hope of a new United. Others feel he has not fulfilled the potential of those years and call up the frequently seen image of the Welshman with hands on hips, his face in indifferent rejection of responsibility for a failed passing move.

That is an unnecessarily jaundiced view. Together, the pair were part of the best midfield four in the Premier League's history, with only the Arsenal unit of the time their possible rival. But those years were from 1996 to 2003. Their colleagues are long gone. Roy Keane is a reluctant TV pundit; David Beckham an anti-ageing product looking for one last market.

Ryan Giggs and Paul Scholes have survived, but their day is now coming too. The dying of their light should not detract from two careers that have burned brighter and longer than any in the modern game

fredrian.seven
21-12-2012, 08:54 PM
Ternyata bukan duo 75 + Rio tapi duo 77 + Rio :hammer:. Rio sih tampak sih bisa semusim lagi taoi buat duo 77 sebaiknya mundur. Demi United juga...

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End of an era: Giggs and Scholes heading for Old Trafford exit as Fergie prepares summer shake-up... And will Rio go too?
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Paul Scholes plans to retire once and for all at the end of this season as Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson prepares for another summer shake-up at Old Trafford.

United midfielder Scholes has told friends that he intends to bow out in May and that this time he will not be back.

Ferguson is also facing up to the probability that another veteran, Ryan Giggs, will leave his one and only club this summer, and the manager is aware that defender Rio Ferdinand has yet to indicate publicly whether he wishes to extend his contract.

With captain Nemanja Vidic also struggling of late with knee problems, Ferguson has already started to look at ways of freshening up his squad.

Recently, for example, Ferguson sent scouts to watch £15million-rated Argentinian defender Ezequiel Garay play for Portuguese club Benfica in games against Sporting Lisbon and Olhanense.

He has also been looking closely at Molde's Norwegian international centre back Vegard Forren.

Formerly of Real Madrid, Garay has to be sold by Benfica next summer since they are struggling to pay his wages. His former club in Spain are entitled to half of whatever fee he is sold for.

Garay has 11 caps for his country and has also been tracked by Juventus.

As for Scholes, he quit the game at the end of the 2010-11 season but famously returned to United in January of this year.

He was later persuaded by Ferguson to stay on for this season as well and has played 13 times so far.

However, the 38-year-old believes that his influence on the field is waning and has said privately in recent weeks that he may have given as much as he can.

It remains to be seen if Ferguson attempts to persuade one of his most trusted players to soldier on for another season.

Welshman Giggs is a year older than Scholes and is also on a one-year contract. He has played only eight times in the Barclays Premier League this season and has also seen his influence on the field drop off significantly in recent months.

Giggs has not made his own mind up yet but said recently: 'When I do finish playing, I'll try to find the next best thing. Management does interest me. The nearer I get to finishing, the more I think about it. All I can do is prepare myself as best I can for when I do finish.

'I've been doing my coaching courses with Nev (Gary Neville) - levels one, two, A-Licence. We're starting the Pro-Licence next year.'

Giggs hopes to compete in a couple of triathlons and Scholes may be handed a coaching role at Old Trafford.

Meanwhile, Giggs joined Wayne Rooney at The Christie hospital to spread some Christmas cheer.

They were accompanied by Jonny Evans and Tom Cleverley

The United squad split in two with the remaining players embarking on a tour of the Royal Manchester Children’s Hospital.

RYAN GIGGS
Age: 39
Appearances: 921
Goals Scored: 165
Joined United: Nov 29, 1987
United Debut: March 2, 1991 v Everton (H)

PAUL SCHOLES
Age: 38
Appearances: 710
Goals Scored: 155
Joined United: July 8, 1991
United Debut: Sept 21, 1994 v Port Vale (A)

RIO FERDINAND
Age: 34
Appearances: 414
Goals Scored: 7
Joined United: July 22, 2002
United Debut: Aug 27, 2002 v Zalaegerszeg (H)

rondwisan
21-12-2012, 10:49 PM
Pertanda buruk nih #eehh :hammer::hammer:
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21/12/2012 12:45 - ManUtd.com, Adam Marshall
Boss refutes Scholes talk



Sir Alex Ferguson has dismissed newspaper speculation that Paul Scholes has already decided to quit at the end of the season.

The reports claimed the midfielder had told friends he was hanging up his boots - for good this time - after coming out of retirement last term.

The manager is sceptical about the rumours as he has yet to have his own conversation on the subject with the veteran playmaker.

"It's interesting that as Scholesy says very little so I'm surprised if he spoke to some pal before he spoke to me, which he hasn't done," said Sir Alex at his weekly press conference. "So you can dismiss that."

The manager*also responded to the suggestion that Ryan Giggs and Rio Ferdinand will also depart next summer.*

"I think Giggs can play for another year or two years and Rio's form has been fantastic," he opined. "It's that type of speculation you expect with people on one-year contracts but I wouldn't give it too much credence."

Andi Istiabudi
23-12-2012, 12:25 PM
Kalau Scholes jadi pensiun, mungkin dia bakal berpartisipasi dalam event EPL Masters Indonesia nih mengingat tahun ini dia dijadwalkan tampil tapi mendadak batal setelah dia memutuskan kembali bermain demi United. Saya dukung apapun keputusan Paul Scholes deh :)

Victory
23-12-2012, 05:17 PM
sampe bosen :D

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/9762213/Ryan-Giggs-can-play-for-Manch

rondwisan
27-12-2012, 03:48 PM
Gw pindahin ke sini ya Mas Bro :peace:

;455183']Kalo pendapat saya pribadi, mainin Scholes dan Giggs boleh2 aja asalkan mereka ditaruh di pos masing2 :D . IMO, semalem Giggs main di sayap kiri ternyata masih cukup lumayan utk membuat space dari kawalan bek dan melepaskan crossing yg berbahaya (Valencia harus belajar efisiensi dari situ).. tapi ya harusnya masukin Cleverley (atau Ando, andai saja dia gak cedera) dari awal untuk nambah daya jelajah di lini tengah.


Sekali lagi, dengan tidak mengurangi rasa hormat untuk para United playing Legend :peace: Yah gimana-gimana usia kagak bisa dibohongin ...., apalagi untuk level tertinggi seperti EPL ini, terlalu banyak yg dipertaruhkan dengan mempertahankan Old Crack (Legend) yg ada, kecuali jika memang United tidak mentargetkan peraihan trophy

Yah mungkin jika Pakde-pakde tsb maen di club menengah atau di level yg di bawah EPL gw yakin masih bisa lah ...

Rean
27-12-2012, 04:28 PM
sebenernya mereka masih belum jelek mainnya. cuma udah mulai angin2an. gw ga mau jadi orang yg satu game memuji2 scholes/giggs, di game lain selang beberapa minggu memaki2 mereka.

rondwisan
28-12-2012, 10:35 PM
Terimalah Sob .... X_X
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28/12/2012 10:09 - ManUtd.com, Adam Marshall
Giggs criticism bemuses boss


Sir Alex Ferguson admits he is running out of superlatives to describe Ryan Giggs after the 39-year-old rolled back the years again in the win against Newcastle.

The Welshman was a driving force as United collected three valuable points on Boxing Day and, such were his exertions, that he is unlikely to be available for the clash against West Brom on Saturday.

The Reds boss is puzzled by any criticism of his loyal servant and feels Giggs often defies belief with his longevity.

"How can you a criticise a player who has given you 20 years?" asked Sir Alex. "The problem for a player with Ryan's pride and experience is he probably wants to play more so he loses that game-play time that gives him consistency.

"At his age, I can't afford to risk that though. He was unbelievable in the second half. You have to say to yourself: 'How does he do it?'. I still wonder about that performance and energy. Dear me, it was quite amazing from him.

"I don't think I'll play him tomorrow simply because of the energy he spent on Wednesday night to help win the match for us. It is simply beyond *belief how you can criticise him. I don't understand it."

Meanwhile, Sir Alex feels his half-time discussion with referee Mike Dean has been blown out of all proportion in the press and he is upset to hear criticism from his opposite number Alan Pardew.

"I think Mike Dean handled it well," he stated. "He's an experienced referee and mature. There was no ranting and raving. I was demonstrative but I'm always demonstrative because I'm an emotional guy.

"Some managers shove linesmen onto the pitch and make a joke of it but I'm not making a joke of this. It was a serious decision and I think the [Jonny Evans own] goal should have been disallowed, I really do.

"I shouted him over and he came towards me. I wasn't on the pitch for more than three or four yards and I think it's been overplayed. Anyway, the problem for me and Manchester United is the profile of the club is huge.*

"Alan Pardew came out and criticised me yet he is the worst at haranguing referees. His whole staff were at it the whole game on Wednesday. He shoves a linesman and makes a joke of it and yet he's got the cheek to criticise me. It's unbelievable and he forgets the help I gave him.

"Anyway, the press made a field day out of it and addressed every possible angle. The only one they left out is [speaking to] Barack Obama! The unfortunate caveat is I'm at the biggest club in the world not Newcastle, a wee club in the North East. I was demonstrative but not out of order. The press had a field day, it's as simple as that."

rondwisan
17-01-2013, 06:31 AM
Pasca match vs West Ham pagi ini, Opa Alex udah mengisyaratkan "another year" for uncle Giggsy X_X
Tauk deh, kudu seneng apa piyee ... :P

Sebelum match Pakde VDS ngomentarin Duo Living Legend United ini nih ....
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Oldies are still golden for United
MEN - January 16, 2013

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Edwin van der Sar believes Sir Alex Ferguson’s golden oldies are still priceless. The Dutchman has watched his fellow countryman Robin van Persie keep United firing on three fronts this season – including his last-gasp equaliser against West Ham in the third round of the FA Cup earlier this month.

But he says Ryan Giggs’ inch-perfect pass in the build- up to that goal was evidence of the veteran Welshman’s enduring class.

And Van der Sar insists Paul Scholes was the greatest English player of his generation – revealing that as a child he dreamed of being a midfield maestro, just like the Ginger magician.

United face West Ham in a replay at Old Trafford tonight, with their former goalkeeper insisting they are lucky to be in the competition after the 2-2 draw at Upton Park.

And he has no doubt who takes the credit after their late rescue act.

“I think they are very fortunate to still be in the tie, but it was a great pass from Giggsy and a great strike and goal from Robin,” said the 42-year-old.

“The pass that Giggsy gave for Robin Van Persie was such a quality ball, with the way it bounces over 45 yards – it’s so accurate.

“Of course, the touch from Van Persie was excellent also, but that pass was quality and it’s something they've set the standard for over the last 20 years.”

Van der Sar is also full of praise for Scholes, who stepped out of retirement 12 months ago.

“Paul Scholes was the best English player,” he said.

“I love the way Scholesy plays.

“He can play so simply, but his technique is so good, the way he touches the ball and lays it forward for his passing range. He’s just fantastic.

“I used to think I could play that position – just get the ball and play it over the left-back or the right-back and the diagonal balls which he plays are just fantastic.”

Van der Sar won four Premier League titles, the Champions League, Club World Cup and the League Cup in six glorious years at Old Trafford.

But the one competition that eluded him was the FA Cup.

The closest he came to ifting the trophy was as a losing finalist against Chelsea in 2007.

“I can’t sleep at night when I think about the FA Cup,” he said. “It’s one of those things, it just never really happened for me.

“I lost once against Liverpool in the third round, to a Peter Crouch goal, I lost a semi-final and I lost a final against Chelsea.

“I was rested for a game against Leeds at home which we lost 1-0.

“In a game against Portsmouth, I went off at half-time and Tomas Kuszczak came on and then got a red card, so Rio Ferdinand went in goal for the penalty and we lost that one. I also got to the semi-final with Fulham, when we played Chelsea at Villa Park.

“How close can you come with Fulham to winning a trophy? That was quite special, to have a run like that, but unfortunately we lost.

“Somehow, it just didn’t click. I won four league titles and played in three Champions League finals with United, but only one FA Cup final against Chelsea in 2007.

“So if United can finish it off at home against West Ham then they can aim for progress and then they’ll be looking to win the FA Cup for the first time in almost 10 years.”

Ferguson admits the Cup remains third in United’s list of priorities this season behind the Premier League and the Champions League.

But his celebrations after Van Persie’s equaliser against West Ham were a clear indication of how much he wants to win a trophy that he hasn’t lifted since 2004.

Van Persie just wants success after making the £24m move from Arsenal last summer.

He has made a stunning impact at Old Trafford, scoring 21 goals in all competitions so far.

And Van der Sar says his former international team-mate has the perfect stage at United to fulfil his ambitions.

He said: “It’s not easy because it was a big change for him to go from Arsenal, the club where he started as a young player, in a big-money move with a little bit of controversy when he left Arsenal behind.

“He moved for a certain reason and that was to be involved in the title races and trying to win trophies and I think the destination he chose to go to at United, they are always in the hunt for more.

“The players have won lots of things already but they are still hungry for another title and let’s hope they can add something to the silverware this year.”

rondwisan
17-01-2013, 06:49 AM
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16/01/2013 22:39 - ManUtd.com, Adam Marshall
Boss: Giggs will play on



Sir Alex Ferguson has informed MUTV that he is confident Ryan Giggs will play on for at least another season at Manchester United.

The 39-year-old continues to impress and produced a wonderful performance during the 1-0 FA Cup replay victory against West Ham.

With his form making a mockery of those who doubted his enduring influence towards the start of the campaign, Giggs remains a tremendous option to feature either in the centre of the pitch or on the left.

"He will play for another year," Sir Alex told MUTV. "There are no discerning signs of tiredness or weakness in his game, his quality is still there and he has fantastic balance.*

"He has the appetite for it and he is just an incredible human being."

Giggs himself was rather more coy about his future and laughed when told that the boss had suggested he could easily play another year.

"I don’t feel like that now!" he said, smiling after completing 90 minutes against the Hammers.*

"I’m enjoying it more than ever at the moment, though. The FA Cup at Old Trafford... if you don’t enjoy it you need to pack it in."

fredrian.seven
17-01-2013, 07:42 AM
Ea... mo mecahin rekor VDS ya opa? Atau ada klausul di kontrak Giggs dan Fergie klo kontrak salah satu yang laennya juga ikut (sepaket maksudnya) :hammer:

and1
17-01-2013, 06:41 PM
kalo ngeliat solo run Giggs di sisi kiri dini hari td yg akhirnya berbuah penalti krn handball, bisalah 1 thn lg :D

tinggal pandai2nya Fergie aja mengatur jadwal maen Giggs, mgkn 1 bulan 1 ato 2 match, bisa jg tampil di cup competition brg pemain muda

ferly_Liemz
17-01-2013, 08:02 PM
Ga tw mesti seneng atau sedih liat 2 veteran perpanjang kontrak lg... kl gw lbh berharap mereka pensiun, mereka pahlawan dr masa kecil gw dan gw ga pengen mereka jd titik lemah united jika terlalu maksain diri...

Mereka hebat itu pasti tp semua itu ada waktunya untuk berhenti...

Bener kata rean kl lbh tepatnya mereka mulai angin2an,mknya itu lbh baik sir alex bs segera move on....

UNITED1878
18-01-2013, 10:11 AM
mungkin yg dibutuhkan disini dari giggs dan scholes ketenangan dan pengalaman...mentor buat pemaen2 muda united.

rondwisan
18-01-2013, 01:14 PM
But in fact, terlepas dari penampilan superb beliau2 tsb di bbrp match, rasanya labih banyak penampilan mereka yg bikin deg2 ser tuh, salah passing, mudah kerebut bolanya, etc. Yah emang usia gk bisa dibohongin, mestinya kmrn penalty kasih uncle Giggs aja, trus gak usah maen lagi, khan udah berhasil scored ...., eh kmrn FA ya, bukan EPL X_X

:peace:

fredrian.seven
01-03-2013, 09:52 PM
Sampe kapan ya? Setidaknya sampe akhir musim lalu dah...

theater of dream
01-03-2013, 10:07 PM
Seperti nya trit udah layak ditutup belum yah ? :D

troy andreas
01-03-2013, 10:31 PM
Seperti nya trit udah layak ditutup belum yah ? :D

Perpanjanglah kontrak thread ini untuk semusim lagi :hammer:

Selain Giggs & Scholes masih ada yang tua loh, Ferdinand :hammer:

rondwisan
02-03-2013, 12:37 AM
Eh ini Oom Scholes blom perpanjangan khan yaa ..., biar pakde Giggs aja deh yg jadi playing mentor X_X

:peace:

Victory
02-03-2013, 06:27 AM
masih bertahan setidaknya satu tahun lagi

baik dari segi si pemain maupun thread ini :D

rondwisan
09-04-2013, 05:12 PM
But in fact, terlepas dari penampilan superb beliau2 tsb di bbrp match, rasanya labih banyak penampilan mereka yg bikin deg2 ser tuh, salah passing, mudah kerebut bolanya, etc. Yah emang usia gk bisa dibohongin, mestinya kmrn penalty kasih uncle Giggs aja, trus gak usah maen lagi, khan udah berhasil scored ...., eh kmrn FA ya, bukan EPL X_X

:peace:

Pengen ngepost kayak di atas lagi :P
Btw, gol di EPL udah, penampilan 1K udah ...
What else .., masih perlu kah maen penuh 90 menit :(
kebayang2 match semalem back heel failed yg dicolong Bary, umpan daerah Young yg gagal 'dikejar' (klo ini yg salah Young ya :P), kehilangan bola disaat penting (nyerang saat tertinggal dan waktu tersisa bbrp saat saja) :(:(
Skrng juga lebih sering (sengaja atau tidak) bikin pelanggaran yg gk perlu, lebih krn kalah sprint or adu body ...
Pengennya sih, biarlah chant2nya aja yg tetep eksist berkumandang .....

troy andreas
09-04-2013, 05:21 PM
Emang kalau uda tua itu rentan di puji tapi lebih rentan lagi di kritik. Umur benar2 gak bisa bohong :-<

theater of dream
09-04-2013, 05:31 PM
Klo gw memandang nya bukan masalah umur sih, tadi malam Giggs keliatan kurang tenang dan malah cendrung grasa grusu kayak ABG labil, Agresivitas nya yang agak berlebihan justru memperlihatkan kalo tadi malam dia bermasalah lebih ke mental ketimbang fisik nya(walo juga ngga bisa dibilang prima)
dan gw sih menilainya dia belum abis tapi hanya lagi off form aja dan itu biasa terjadi pada setiap pemain..

BTT : seperti dah di-post sebelum nya, Mereka (Old master) udah bukan jadi tumpuan lagi, hanya dimainka ketika beberapa pemain sedang bermasalah dengan kebugaran ato faktor non teknis yang menybabkan mereka ngga bisa bermain..

rondwisan
09-04-2013, 05:34 PM
Emang kalau uda tua itu rentan di puji tapi lebih rentan lagi di kritik. Umur benar2 gak bisa bohong :-<

emang bisa dibilang uncle Giggs 'belom abis' sih, cuman kita kudu memaklumi klo levelnya udah gk match ama United, yah emang umpan2 terukurnya masih ajaib, emang anugrah tuh yaa, but klo udah sering blunder, sering kalah larii, sering gagal cover lawan, apa ya masih bagus dipaksakan untuk tetep di lapangan, sementara di bench (atau reserve) masih ada yg perlu diberi minutes of playing untuk mengasah kemampuannya ...
Gw gk nyruh jual lho ..., ntar ada yg ngebata :D
*cuman nyuruh pensiun #eehh :hammer::hammer:

dudut
11-04-2013, 12:51 PM
yabg tua yg brekreasi eeeehhhh salah

menurut gue pribadi keknya ngarep giggs pensiun rada susyah
otre beliau sanggup maen full 90 menit tapi mosok iya harus maksain gitu maen di match penting selama 90 menit full
g ada yg ngeraguin giggs
tp ibarat mobil balap nos uncle giggs udh g bs dipake lg


:ngacir:

jalanjalanyuk
18-04-2013, 04:32 PM
Sampe ada pengganti yang memiliki mental yang sama kali ya

rondwisan
20-10-2013, 04:20 PM
Dengan tanpa mengurangi rasa hormat ...., thread ini gw angkat lagi yaa ... X_X

Semalem ngliat Phillip Nevile duduk di sebelah Oom Moyes, abis gitu ngliat Pakde Giggs masuk ngegantiin Nani, yg terlintas di benak gw, mestinya Pakde Giggs duduk manis aja ama PhilNev, gk usah lari2an di lapangan lagi ...
Dan terbukti saat masuk malah menurunkan level permainan United, sampai akhirnya Soton berhasil mencuri gol dan mencuri poin di Old Trafford ...

Klo Pakde Giggs blom mau pensiun, apa diloankan aja ke Birmingham gitu ya, nemenin Lingard :hammer::hammer:

unai cantona
20-10-2013, 04:31 PM
pada dasarnya gw ngak masalah dengan Old master macam Giggs

tapi dengan catatan beliau cuman diturunkan
di partai yang lawannya mungkin 2-3 tingkat dibawah kita semisal di Piala liga (di turunkan untuk menemani para pemain muda yang masih minim pengalaman)

atau ketika United menemui kebuntuan dalam bermain dan memerlukan pengalama barulah seorang Giggs di masukan

arson pelipus
20-10-2013, 07:10 PM
Dengan tanpa mengurangi rasa hormat ...., thread ini gw angkat lagi yaa ... X_X

Semalem ngliat Phillip Nevile duduk di sebelah Oom Moyes, abis gitu ngliat Pakde Giggs masuk ngegantiin Nani, yg terlintas di benak gw, mestinya Pakde Giggs duduk manis aja ama PhilNev, gk usah lari2an di lapangan lagi ...
Dan terbukti saat masuk malah menurunkan level permainan United, sampai akhirnya Soton berhasil mencuri gol dan mencuri poin di Old Trafford ...

Klo Pakde Giggs blom mau pensiun, apa diloankan aja ke Birmingham gitu ya, nemenin Lingard :hammer::hammer:

Hahahah.....kl opa mau dipensiunkan kemana nih?

Sdh sepantasnya sih giggs duduk manis di bench sm phil neville..tp kayakx giggs yg bisa tau kondisix sendiri apa dia pensiun ato msh bisa bermain....semalam mgkn penampilanya kurang, kurang istirahat mgkn lagi itu giggs sehingga mainnya kurang sreg......

apa lagi giggs masih dpt kontrak bkn sbg pelatih tp masih pemain jg jd ya wajar msh dimainkan.....ujian n motivasi nih semestinya para pemain muda utk buktikan penampilannya sehingga dgn sendirinya para pemain old master merasa sendiri bahwa tempatx sdh pantas ditempati oleh pemain muda.....semuanya itu bisa diliat dr latian sehari hari, bgm mau pensiunkan kl pada saat latian giggs lebih bagus penampilannya dibanding pemain muda lainnya...wajarbkl pelatih msh butuh tenaga old master sekelas giggs...

rondwisan
20-10-2013, 09:08 PM
Yoi Bang Artson, kagak ada yg salah buat Pakde Giggs untuk tetep jadi pemain bola, percaya kok doi masih bisa bermain 2-3 musim lagi, tapi ya itu, seperti yg udah pernah gw post, level permainan beliau sudah tidak pada top form'nya, klo bisa dibilang udah gk pantas main di United, hanya rasa hormat dan respect dari orang2 yg ada di United yg masih memberi doi kesempatan untuk terus mempertajam capsnya
Sebenernya posisi coach player yg diberikan doi skrng ini lebih ke sikap 'sungkan' itu tadi, alangkah eloknya jika Giggs sendiri yg memutuskan mundur demi kejayaan team, imho sih :peace:

fredrian.seven
20-10-2013, 09:39 PM
Aku pikir kontrak Fergie sepaket ma Giggs. Eh pas Fergie penaiun Giggs sih lanjut. Setuju sama Sam Ron d atas. pada sungkan semua plus Giggs-nya juga nggak ngerasa dirasan2ni. klo error malah marah k temen. :hammer:

fajrinited
21-10-2013, 02:00 AM
With all due respect, setuju ma Oom unai cantona;
dengan catatan beliau cuman diturunkan di partai yang lawannya mungkin 2-3 tingkat dibawah kita semisal di Piala liga (di turunkan untuk menemani para pemain muda yang masih minim pengalaman)

Yaa kalau memang Giggs masih belum ingin pensiun, yaa..ini yg seharusnya mencapai kata "ok" bagi Moyes dan Giggs..
yaa saling sama-sama menyadarilah bahasanya.. :peace:

bucay deathbat
21-10-2013, 01:41 PM
Move on move on move on.....

Gak nyalahin om Giggs sih di match kemaren, ada bbrp pemain yang kelihatan lebih seger tapi mainnya lebih ancur :D

Tapi ya begitu, doi masuk juga gak berefek positif. Mungkin musim ini bisa jadi pilihan yang tepat untuk mengakhiri petualangan Giggsy sebagai pemain, beri kesempatan buat pemain lain berkembang, posisi doi di tim jadi bikin moyes galau juga kayaknya.

gak dimainin sungkan, dimainin juga gak terlalu berpengaruh. :peace:

rondwisan
24-10-2013, 06:11 PM
Setelah match tadi pagi, jadi tambah PD nih pakde Giggs ..., jadi males cepet2 pensiun :hammer::hammer:

RT @forevruntd: Turning 40 next month, still Ryan Giggs led with most successful dribbles (5) in the game vs Real Sociedad.

fredrian.seven
24-10-2013, 06:49 PM
Selain dribel, aku juga sempet lihat jarak tempuh lari selama pertandingan nyaris sama dengan Rooney. Emang angin2an opa Giggs. Tapi tetep riskan klo di BPL yang udah hafal betul gaya Giggs.

Victory
24-10-2013, 07:07 PM
kalo cm liat statistik spt itu, emg Giggs masih ada sisi bagusnya...

tp ketika lawan melakukan pressing, bola langsung lepas dengan mudahnya :|

yah mau gmn lagi, faktor U ga bisa berbohong...

tp untungnya, yg melakukan pressing bukan sekelas Yaya Toure...

rondwisan
24-10-2013, 07:26 PM
Kira2 klo dibuat polling, banyakan yg setuju apa ndak yaa, klo Pakde Giggs segera retired ... :peace:
__________________________________:ngacir:

Victory
24-10-2013, 07:30 PM
Kira2 klo dibuat polling, banyakan yg setuju apa ndak yaa, klo Pakde Giggs segera retired ... :peace:
__________________________________:ngacir:

kalo dijadiin polling, hasilnya (gw yakin) bakal dominan ke salah satu opsi. Kalo dijadiin thread tersendiri, bakal terjadi diskusi satu arah.

mending berkhayal, kalo lw jadi Giggs, knp lw milih bertahan tetep menjadi pemain bola ketika pesaingnya (dulu) yaitu Blomqvist udah main bola lagi di Indonesia :))

rondwisan
24-10-2013, 09:12 PM
Nah klo Ente sendiri berkhayal jadi #11 (http://www.unitedindonesia.org/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=11) , kira2 knapa "Ente" masih maen untuk United Oom Victory; :-/:-?

:D:))

Redsbusby
25-10-2013, 12:01 AM
Dilema. Beberapa fans nganggep doi mending pensiun dan kasih jalan bwt yg lebih muda. Cuma masalahnya dilapangan ngga demikian adanya abang2 :))

arson pelipus
25-10-2013, 01:09 AM
Setelah match tadi pagi, jadi tambah PD nih pakde Giggs ..., jadi males cepet2 pensiun :hammer::hammer:

RT @forevruntd: Turning 40 next month, still Ryan Giggs led with most successful dribbles (5) in the game vs Real Sociedad.

Nah iyakan opa.....kl giggs mainnya bagus itu krn lg bagus istirahatnya..makanya mainnya kencang..

wira_ozora
25-10-2013, 06:05 AM
Dilema. Beberapa fans nganggep doi mending pensiun dan kasih jalan bwt yg lebih muda. Cuma masalahnya dilapangan ngga demikian adanya abang2 :))

Termasuk gw,,gan....gw rasa musim ini saatnya Uncle Giggs pensiun. Rawan banged kalo b'hdapan dgn lawan ky Soton kmren,,bgtu dipress langsung kehilangan bola. Lebih baik Uncle Giggs legowo memberikan tempatnya utk pemain2 muda.

Rean
25-10-2013, 10:06 AM
karena gw supporter. gw support aja lah. apalagi legend macam giggs. karena terbukti penilaian kita ga akan bener terus, bahkan cenderung banyak salah nya.

katakanlah misalnya kita yg jadi manager, bukan moyes. pada saat match lawan soton, giggs udah sangat mungkin kita ga akan dimainkan lagi. dan penampilan apik saat melawan sociedad ga akan terjadi. nyatanya? gw liat masih boleh lah main nya. so, i'll support him!

zudomiriku
14-11-2013, 03:30 PM
Time for Rio Ferdinand and Nemanja Vidic to Take New Role at Manchester United

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Rio Ferdinand and Nemanja Vidic have had a good run.

They've won five Premier League titles together and stood side by side in three Champions League finals, winning one.

They've earned a place as one of the most formidable centre-back pairings United have ever had, alongside Steve Bruce and Gary Pallister and Ronny Johnsen and Jaap Stam.

But time waits for no man. And with a combined age of 67, it's time for Ferdinand and Vidic to go their separate ways. That's not to suggest they need to pack their bags and head for the Old Trafford exit.

To lose that much experience with one swing of the axe would be foolish. It's simply time for them both to find a new partner. Like a couple who've been together so long that the spark has disappeared, it's time for a change.

It's been coming for a while.

Not since the 2008-09 season have Ferdinand and Vidic started together in close to half United's games. That year, they started 32 of United's 66 games with a win percentage of 63 per cent.

Their most successful season was their first full campaign together, 2006-07. They started 33 of United's 60 games, winning 76 per cent. The following season, they started 41 of the 57 games, winning 68 per cent and ending it as champions of Europe.

But since 2009, the partnership has started to crumble.

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Ferdinand has suffered injuries to his lower back, hamstring and calf. Vidic has undergone a serious knee operation.

Between 2006 and 2009—their first three full seasons together—they started together 106 times. In the next four—from 2009 to the end of last season—they started 57 games together.

Jonny Evans has been the main beneficiary, appearing 117 times for United since the start of the 2009-10 season. That's just three fewer than Ferdinand and four more than Vidic.

But it's only been this season that the partnership has started to look vulnerable. They were David Moyes' preferred pairing at the beginning of the season, starting the first six games together.

But since the 4-1 defeat to Manchester City at the Etihad Stadium, they've been restricted to just two games together, a Capital One Cup tie against Norwich and the Champions League game with Real Sociedad in Spain. Of the eight games they've played together, United have won just 50 per cent.

Vidic and Ferdinand still have a part to play at United. Moyes, in particular, has spoken of the importance of their vast experience.

But their days as "Ferdinand and Vidic" are coming to an end. Their role now is to ease in the next generation as "Ferdinand and Smalling" or "Vidic and Evans."

Time is the cruellest opponent for any footballer. It's the only one Ferdinand and Vidic can't tuck away in their pockets.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1849316-time-for-rio-ferdinand-and-nemanja-vidic-to-take-new-role-at-manchester-united

zudomiriku
09-01-2014, 02:57 PM
Ferdinand, Vidic and Evra all set for Old Trafford exit as Moyes plans clear-out

Three of Manchester United’s title-winning back four are likely to be victims of a David Moyes purge at Old Trafford.

The champions are in crisis after losing their third game in a week at Sunderland on Tuesday night and Moyes wants to unload several unwanted and unhappy players in an attempt to turn around the club’s fortunes in the summer.

Rio Ferdinand, Nemanja Vidic and Patrice Evra could all leave with Javier Hernandez, Nani, Anderson, Alex Buttner and Anders Lindegaard likely to join them.

There is also continuing anxiety about Wayne Rooney’s refusal to sign a new contract and Robin van Persie’s lack of form under the new manager.

United are on their worst run of form since 1992 and Moyes’ bad week was compounded when the FA confirmed they were investigating his comments about referees after the Sunderland game.

The United’s manager said his side were ‘playing referees as well as the opposition’, an accusation that could land him a charge and fine.

The FA are also looking into how fans managed to set off several flares during the Capital One Cup semi-final first leg at the Stadium of Light.

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Lean spell: Nemanja Vidic is one big name who could be leaving United in the summer

After Fabio Borini's penalty consigned United to another defeat, Moyes said: 'After the first 15 minutes I thought we were very good. We defended a terrible free-kick, but how the referee has given a free-kick for that is way beyond me.

'I just cannot see how that is a free-kick. 'And the penalty? We had a player booked for that theother day against Tottenham. The referee is in a great position to look at it, down the line, 15 yards, and the linesman gives it from behind and he cannot see through Patrice Evra.

‘That is what we’re finding at the moment. The performance was good without having the last bit.

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Exit: Rio Ferdinand could be on his way out of Manchester United at the end of the season

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Leave: Patrice Evra has also been linked with a move away from Manchester United this summer

‘I have experience and I can sense it’s on the verge of turning. I sense we’re about to get a bit better.’

Moyes added: ‘This hasn’t happened at Man United for a long time. I thought the support were great for sticking with their club, sticking with their manager and that is exactly what you need when you are not doing so well.

‘We need a couple of fair decisions. We had a couple of penalty kicks against Tottenham and we have one given against us tonight for that. My goodness, give me strength.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2536170/Rio-Ferdinand-Nemanja-Vidic-Patrice-Evra-set-leave-Manchester-United-clear-out.html

Gustiono
09-01-2014, 06:12 PM
Sampai dengan DM bilang cukup :)

troy andreas
09-01-2014, 09:49 PM
2x gagal dengan strategi Giggs dipasang di role #10 (http://www.unitedindonesia.org/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=10) barangkali yang ke-3 bisa. :-w

danygiggsy
15-01-2014, 10:54 AM
Sampai kapan?
Sampai saat itu tiba
Semua akan pensiun pada waktunya

zudomiriku
06-02-2014, 11:19 AM
Rio Ferdinand Still Has a Role to Play for David Moyes and Manchester United

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"We're all told at some point in time that we can no longer play the children's game," says a baseball scout in the Hollywood film Moneyball.

"We just don't know when that's going to be. Some of us are told at 18, some of us are told at 40, but we're all told."

Rio Ferdinand, at 35 years old, is nearing the time when he'll be told.

Told that he can no longer reach the level required of a centre-half at Manchester United playing in the Premier League. Of course, a swan song in Los Angeles or New York is not out of the question.

Ferdinand has missed the last six games with a knee injury. He's started just twice in the last two months.

After 11-and-a-half years at Old Trafford he is out-of-contract at the end of the season. It is possible, along with Nemanja Vidic and Patrice Evra, he will play his last game for United in the coming months.

Ferdinand is back in training and David Moyes told the Manchester Evening News he is still a "valued" member of the squad:

We will continue to use Rio at the right times and the right moments.

Rio has made a great contribution especially in the first half of the season.

I played him in nearly all the opening games. He was a big part in helping me to settle. He helped me get my feet under the table a little bit.

He has competition for centre half but he is very much valued.

Without a contract offer, Ferdinand will leave in the summer. But he still has a role to play before then.

His partnership with Vidic, the backbone of title- and Champions League-winning teams, may be over. But not necessarily his pairings with Jonny Evans, Chris Smalling and Phil Jones.

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United are struggling. An eighth Premier League defeat of the season at Stoke on Saturday felt like rock-bottom again after the optimism that came with Juan Mata's arrival.

It's a moment in which Moyes could do worse than turn to his senior players. The ones who have seen it and done it. Proven winners.

Ferdinand's legs might not be what they were in his prime but there are few players in the Premier League who can call on more experience.

For younger players like Tom Cleverley and Danny Welbeck to look around and see Ferdinand, Michael Carrick and Robin van Persie among their number can only be a boost to their confidence.

It has happened far too few times this season.

Soon, Ferdinand will be told he can't play the child's game anymore. Some are told at 16, some at 18. Others are good enough to carry on until they're 35.

Battling to finish in the top four and still chasing the Champions League trophy, United could certainly do with the experience Ferdinand picked up in those intervening years.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1949653-rio-ferdinand-still-has-a-role-to-play-for-david-moyes-and-manchester-united

rondwisan
15-02-2014, 01:29 AM
Di awal thread ini diangkat ..., Old Master yg dimaksut saat itu #11 (http://www.unitedindonesia.org/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=11) #18 (http://www.unitedindonesia.org/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=18) #2 (http://www.unitedindonesia.org/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=2) , yg 2 udah bener2 retired, tgl Pakde #11 (http://www.unitedindonesia.org/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=11) yg merangkap pemain dan staff pelatih ..., akankan musim ini benar2 jadi musim terakhir pakde #11 (http://www.unitedindonesia.org/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=11) ???

Kemudian lanjut #5 (http://www.unitedindonesia.org/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=5) ama #15 (http://www.unitedindonesia.org/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=15)
Akhir musim #15 (http://www.unitedindonesia.org/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=15) udah memastikan akan meninggalkan OT
Sedang Oom #5 (http://www.unitedindonesia.org/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=5) sementara masih tanda tanya besar nih, spekulasi yg berkembang, Oom #5 (http://www.unitedindonesia.org/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=5) akan cabut juga nih

Akankah thread ini segera berakhir .... :-":-"

tukang-las
15-02-2014, 05:37 AM
People grow old...jd trit nya ga akan berakhir... :D

Bentar lg pak carrick jg memasuki usia pensiun.. Trus disusul RvP,dst,dst..

rondwisan
15-02-2014, 01:06 PM
Yayayaa .... :D
Same story different actors ... :-":-"

theater of dream
15-02-2014, 02:52 PM
Yayayaa .... :D
Same story different actors ... :-":-"

Tapi lama durasi Prime Time nya beda-beda :D

Noe26
25-02-2014, 09:23 PM
indah pada waktunya, redup juga pada waktunya.. hehe

zudomiriku
26-02-2014, 01:55 PM
Anyone can see Moyes needs to tear it up and start again at Old Trafford...

The last time it was this bad, it was all about the man who sat, lips pursed, on the seats in front of the press box at the Georgios Karaiskakis Stadium on Tuesday evening.

Paris in 2005. Roy Keane had just delivered a stinging dissection of Sir Alex Ferguson’s Manchester United team on the club’s in-house TV station. His views were never aired but a 1-0 Champions League defeat by Lille set Keane and his team on the road to elimination at the group stage.

United were booed from the field that November night. On Tuesday night in Greece they weren’t — and we can only wonder why after we witnessed a performance just as inept, witless and limp as that game in the France capital eight-and-a-half years ago.

Here in Greece there had been no dramatic build-up, no subplots. Just a manager in David Moyes who had spoken beforehand of how European football could offer his ailing team something to live for between now and May.

Some hope that turned out to be.There were other key differences.

In 2005 United were in the middle of a period of gentle transition under Ferguson. That team had Edwin van der Sar in goal, Rio Ferdinand at the centre of the defence and young forwards Cristiano Ronaldo and Wayne Rooney in harness.

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Under pressure: Rio Ferdinand (right), pictured here being challenged Olaitan, endured a disappointing night in United's defence

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Booked: Ferdinand receives a yellow card from referee Gianluca Rocchi after a mistimed challenge

It was easy to see the potential as — despite the criticism of the time — United ended the season second in the Premier League with 83 points, 18 more than the team in fifth place.

On Tuesday night, Moyes’ side — sixth in the league and 11 points adrift of fourth — did look like a team in transition but only in so much as they appear to be going from bad to worse.

This United team look like a side asking not to be remodelled and reshaped but ripped to pieces and consigned to Old Trafford history.

It is difficult to analyse what has gone wrong at United since Ferguson left and Moyes arrived. There is simply too much awry. What is clear is this is as bad as it has been this season.

We thought we had reached a low point when United clutched defeat from the jaws of victory in a Capital One Cup semi-final exit to Sunderland. We thought it would be tough to stoop as low as the home FA Cup defeat by Swansea.
It seems we were wrong.

Here in the football graveyard of Greece, United were outplayed by a side that would not finish in the top six in the Premier League.

Sometimes statistics can be misleading, There was a lot of rubbish written last week, for example, about the number of passes Barcelona and Bayern Munich made in defeating Manchester City and Arsenal. Passing is valuable only in dangerous areas of the field.

On Tuesday night, though, there were much more fundamental stats to worry Moyes and United as they try again to pick up the pieces of their season. United did not manage a shot on target. They created only one clear chance, hoofed skywards by Robin van Persie with five minutes left.

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Frustrated figure: Moyes makes a point to a match official after the final whistle

These numbers tell a sorry story and give increasing credence to those supporters who jammed radio phone lines last night to label Moyes and his players unfit for purpose.

Moyes is in a dangerous spot. There will be no knee-jerk reaction from United’s board. He will remain in situ. But what will worry them and Moyes himself — if he can still think straight — is that there is no sign of progress or improvement in this United team.

There is no method, no suggestion a consistent run of encouraging results is around the corner.

Given they now face West Bromwich Albion, Liverpool, Olympiacos, West Ham and Manchester City

in succession, it is unnerving to think where they may be at the end of March.
At times here they were shambolic. They started tentatively, conceded a bad goal and continued to retreat, territorially and mentally.

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Future captain? Wayne Rooney could take over as United's skipper when Vidic leaves this summer

At the heart of United’s defence, Ferdinand and Nemanja Vidic ran in the quicksands of time. Both deserve to end their United careers in better circumstances.

Further up the field, though, there was mediocrity and anonymity. Michael Carrick remains largely exempt — though he was poor on Tuesday night — but how often do Moyes and United’s fans need to watch the likes of Tom Cleverley and Ashley Young play before they realise they are not good enough?

As the game closed out, United had a peculiar look and in the centre of midfield stood Rooney, raging as the waves rose around him.

With his name on a new £300,000-a-week contract, United’s best player wants to be captain. On nights like this it’s hard to see why. Who, after all, wants to skipper a ship that is sinking?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2567870/Anyone-David-Moyes-needs-rip-start-Old-Trafford-hold-old-boy-Patrice-Evra-Rio-Ferdinand-Nemanja-Vidic-moving-on.html

zudomiriku
17-03-2014, 04:25 PM
Nemanja Vidic Red Card: How Manchester United Will Fare in Star's Absence

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A bad season just keeps getting worse for Manchester United.

As if a 3-0 loss to bitter rivals Liverpool wasn't bad enough—a loss that almost certainly ended any chances that United might have had to finish in the top four and qualify for the Champions League—United will now lose key defender Nemanja Vidic for two matches after he was sent off on a second yellow card in the second half against Liverpool.

Henry Winter of the Daily Telegraph shared the news:

Henry Winter ✔
@henrywinter
Gerrard misses penalty after Sturridge dives, conning Clattenburg and bringing 2nd yellow for Vidic. Still 2-0 to #lfc. 80

Fox Soccer Trax agrees with Winter's assessment of Sturridge's deception:

FOX Soccer Trax ✔
@FOXSoccerTrax
77 PENALTY for LIVERPOOL as Vidic slides in on Sturridge - replay suggests Clattenburg may have gotten that wrong

Sturridge was the one who should have been carded for simulation. Replays showed he at best embellished the slightest of contacts and at worst invented a foul before flopping to the ground. Vidic shouldn't have gone to the ground, but he most assuredly was harshly punished for the play.

Now he faces a two-match ban, according to Dale Johnson of ESPN:

Dale Johnson
@dalejohnsonESPN
Nemanja Vidic will be banned for two matches, missing the away game at West Ham and the Manchester derby. #mufc

And in case you were thinking that United would appeal the decision, Johnson adds:

@bitter_sweet140 @LeeClayton_ You cannot appeal against two yellows.

Vidic is facing a double suspension for being sent off, since his two yellows against Liverpool brought him to five for the season. Of course, getting sent off against the Reds has become a tradition for Vidic, as Paul Carr of ESPN notes:

Paul Carr
@PCarrESPN
Nemanja Vidic is the first player in the Premier League era to receive four red cards vs the same opponent.

Vidic has already announced he will not return to Manchester United next season, instead choosing to join Inter Milan. That means he will miss two of the last nine matches of his United career, one that dates back to 2006. If his recent comments about leaving the club to Sky Sports are any indication, the two-match ban will be a huge disappointment for the player:

I am starting to think about how long I have left at the club. I see a lot of people on the street and they still have appreciation for what I have done for the club. Sometimes, it's hard to listen to these comments, but that's football, that's life. You have to accept that's how things go and move on.

I would like to finish on a high and finish with good performances. I'm looking forward to playing every game I possibly can.

Well, you can take two games off the list.

Given United's defensive performance against Liverpool, losing Vidic will really hurt, especially against a dangerous club like Manchester City. United should be able to beat West Ham with or without Vidic, but given the team's recent form, it's hard to see them subduing the Citizens without one of their key defenders.

And things could get worse for United if Chris Smalling can't recover from injury, as he was held out of Sunday's game, per Manchester United's Twitter account:

Manchester United ✔
@ManUtd
We can confirm Chris Smalling misses today's game with a hamstring injury. #mufc

If Smalling also misses the next two games, well, United are in big trouble. The nightmare continues for the Red Devils.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1994660-nemanja-vidic-red-card-how-manchester-united-will-fare-in-stars-absence

zudomiriku
24-03-2014, 11:42 AM
Stats focus: Rio and Giggs used sparingly for years

The United duo have been scarcely used together by David Moyes this season, but this is nothing new.

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David Moyes could be forgiven for thinking he could do no right at the minute.

Faced with the potential embarrassment of crashing out of the Champions League to Greek champions Olympiacos, the United boss turned to his old guard - Ryan Giggs, 40, and Rio Ferdinand, 35 - to get him out of a large hole.

It worked.

The centre-back played his part in a clean sheet and Giggs was influential in two of the three goals that sent the Reds through to the quarter-finals.

For a manager who has been charged with several counts of selection failures this season, this was surely a success.

Yet for every person crediting Moyes for picking the duo, there was another complementing their compliment with a backhand.

Of course Giggs was good, so why hadn't he been used more? Why have these players only been turned to now? United may not have needed such a big shovel then because these players wouldn't have dug the hole.

To some extent there is a point.

This was Giggs's first start since January 28, while Rio's start against Liverpool on Sunday was his first in three weeks.

The pair have only started together in six games this season, which really does not seem a lot. It isn't, just 14% of the games United have played under Moyes.

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But is it unusually low? Certainly not for the last few years.

Going back through the last five seasons, Ferdinand and Giggs have only started a touch over 25% of United games in a season. Although none of the figures are quite as low as this campaign, they're not remarkably higher.

You have to go back to the 2007/08 season - when the duo were a youthful 28/29 and 33/34 respectively - to find the last time the central pair started at least 50% of games in a Reds season.

Part of this will come down to injuries and suspensions in latter years, but this does not satisfactorily account for it.

Worrying for Moyes is that this is the first year in the stretch where the win percentage with the pair in the team is better when they are not.

Again this can be explained in part because they have appeared together less, but again it doesn't tell the full story.

When a duo with a combined age of 75 bring superior win ratios than the younger players at the club, they may prove extremely tricky to replace.

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http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-united-statistics-david-moyes-6858136

zudomiriku
02-04-2014, 11:59 AM
Euro dream is still on... but now is time to admit Ryan's flying days are over

At Manchester United there seems to be a new philosophy. If in doubt, select Ryan Giggs.

So much a spectator for much of the year that he may as well have bought a season ticket, the 40-year-old has once more found himself as his club's go-to man for the really big European games.

One imagines Giggs probably finds it as perplexing as the rest of us and deep down he will know what we all know. That being that his place against Bayern Munich on Tuesday night, and against Olympiacos here two weeks ago, owes as much to the inadequacies of those around him at Old Trafford than it does his own remarkable longevity.

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Evergreen: Ryan Giggs has found himself as Manchester United's go-to man for the really big European games

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Perplexed: Giggs must be scratching his head at the fact he is selected for United's important European clashes

This was a very creditable performance from United, in more ways from one. From their initial stubbornness and bloody-mindedness - impressive in its own way - grew confidence and ambition and indeed an opening goal.

Given the gap in quality between these two teams - given the troubles United manager David Moyes was saddled with across his team's back line - there was much to be said about the way his players went about this game.

Nevertheless, it's hard to escape the fact that there is much that is odd about United these days and nothing is odder than the fact Giggs gets anywhere near this team.

Last night the Stretford End sang about the night Ole Gunnar Solskjaer struck to beat Bayern in the 1999 Champions League final. Solskjaer, less than a year older than Giggs, is now manager of Cardfiff City, retired for seven years.

Roy Keane and Gary Neville, aged 42 and 39 respectively, stopped playing eight and three years ago and have TV careers.

Giggs, though, played in the biggest match of United's season on Tuesday night, a Champions League quarter-final, and, given the nature of the club's season, nobody who saw the team sheet was the least bit surprised.

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Longevity: The 40-year-old has continued to player while many players of a similar age retired some time ago

This plays to the theme of Giggs' durability, of course. It plays to the theme of how well he has looked after himself in recent years; the yoga, the specially-adapted car seat, the hours of mind-numbing stretching of hamstring and lower back.

Mainly, however, its plays to a theme of questionable succession planning and judgement by United, a theme that tells of player after player arriving at Old Trafford - either through the ranks or through the front door - and failing to match the standards of an ageing legend who has been a competent Barclays Premier League footballer, but certainly no more, for more than three or four years now.

Here on Tuesday night, Giggs began on the left wing, preferred to current internationals like Nani, Ashley Young and Shinji Kagawa. That trio cost in the region of £60m between them, by the way.

Selected no doubt to help United reserve left-back Alex Buttner cope with Arjen Robben and Bayern full-back Rafinha, Giggs failed to influence the game at all and was withdrawn at half-time.

On this occasion the experiment hadn't worked. Bayern, after all, are a little better than Olympiacos.
It may well be the last time we ever see Giggs play in Europe. He is unlikely to start the second leg of this tie in Bavaria next week and United are unlikely to reach the last four.

It is three years ago, though, that we thought we saying goodbye to him. He played against Barcelona in the 2011 final and we all thought that was a fitting stage for a farewell.

Neville retired when his engine ran out, Paul Scholes when his desire ran out, Keane and Solskjaer when their joints gave out. Giggs, though, has meandered on and on seemingly waiting for somebody to tell him to stop.

So far that call has not come and on Tuesday night United looked a little more potent after Moyes made his half-time change.

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Friendly: Bayern midfielder Bastian Schweinsteiger spoke with Giggs as the pair trudged off at half-time

Perhaps realising that Bayern were not proving as viperish as everybody had made them out to be, the United manager had seen his team, rather peculiarly, create the better chances in a half that Bayern had dominated and the introduction of Kagawa certainly helped to gather a little momentum.

United's goal was all very functional and certainly very English. A run of the mill corner that Bayern should have defended better and for some reason didn't. Moyes' team need not be embarrassed of that, though, and for a short time it seemed as though they may be about to shock the living daylights out of the Germans by actually beating them. It is very difficult, though, to overcome the very best teams when you surrender so much of the ball.

This was a manful effort by United but, unfortunately, they will need something more next week. Throwing Giggs back in again will just not cut it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2594579/Time-admit-Ryan-Giggs-flying-days-following-Manchester-United-draw-Bayern-Munich.html

zudomiriku
08-04-2014, 05:35 PM
Manchester United and David Moyes Cannot Risk Losing Ryan Giggs This Summer

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The identity of a football club is a fragile thing.

It can change with each new owner and with every new manager. It's rather less seismic, but it changes with each new player who arrives and every one who leaves.

It's more than the four stands of the stadium or the pitches at the training ground.

It's a living, breathing organism. Constantly changing. Forever evolving.

Every club has its core values. Its own history. The most successful clubs have made their players aware of it. Of what it means to wear that particular shirt. Of what they are representing.

Manchester United, especially under Sir Alex Ferguson, have always been keen to retain the services of those players who understand it best.

Sir Bobby Charlton has been a director since 1984. Brian Kidd, who won the European Cup alongside Charlton and George Best in 1968, was Ferguson's assistant between 1991 and 1998.

Former Busby Babe Jim Ryan spent years in charge of the academy. Brian McClair took on a coaching role at Old Trafford almost as soon as his playing career finished in 1998. He's now the academy director.

Nicky Butt has been coaching the Under-19s, with the help of Paul Scholes. David Moyes brought Phil Neville with him from Everton to be part of his backroom staff.

Moyes also offered Ryan Giggs a coaching role last summer. It is one he's combined with his playing duties this season.

This campaign might yet be Giggs' last as a player. At 40 years old, he's earned the right to choose how and when he hangs up his boots.

But for Moyes to let Giggs end his association with United altogether in the summer would be a mistake.

Giggs knows better than most what the club is all about. And that's a valuable commodity as United head into a new era.

It is understandable that Moyes might feel vulnerable with Giggs on his coaching staff.

At the press conference ahead of the Champions League quarter-final first leg with Bayern Munich, Giggs and Moyes sat next to each other as one inquisitor asked whether the Welshman was a future United manager.

Giggs laughed it off while Moyes turned to the press officer on the top table to step in. She did and the question went unanswered. It was a sign that Moyes is still not entirely comfortable in his new job.

But letting Giggs walk out of the door in the summer isn't the answer. It will only create more distance with the fans in the way the departures of Mike Phelan, Eric Steele and Rene Meulensteen did in the summer.

Giggs is one of the personalities who has helped define United. He's grown up there and become a symbol of their success over the last 20 years.

Simply put, he has something you can't replace. And United will lose a part of their history, a part of their appeal, if he's allowed to leave at the end of the season.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2020776-manchester-united-and-david-moyes-cannot-risk-losing-ryan-giggs-this-summer

troy andreas
03-05-2014, 02:04 PM
Kalau LVG jadi beneran manager United gak tau deh nasib Rio & Evra.

Ryan Giggs: 'Patrice Evra, Rio Ferdinand deserve new contracts'

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Manchester United's interim manager Ryan Giggs has claimed that Patrice Evra and Rio Ferdinand should both be offered new deals in the summer.

The defensive duo will become free agents if they do not agree terms over the next couple of months, and Giggs, who used both players in the victory over Norwich City last Saturday, believes that they still have plenty to offer the club.

"I do believe they still have a part to play," Giggs told reporters. "Both their contracts are up but they have both given massive service to the club.

"They are both fit and they both looked good last week. I don't see why not.

"It is a group discussion but I still think they have a lot to offer. They have been great players and they remain assets to a club like Manchester United."

Ferdinand and Evra are both expected to be involved against Sunderland on Saturday afternoon.

http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/man-utd/news/giggs-evra-ferdinand-deserve-new-deals_153008.html

rondwisan
13-05-2014, 09:50 PM
Waktu thread ini dibuat, yg disorot Oom PS, Oom GN ama Pakde RG, ketambahan Meneer VdS
Sekarang yg 3 udah bener2 retired ...., malah ketambahan Vida ama Rio cabut dari OT (meski blom pensiun ya)
Tinggal Pakde Giggs nih, meski udah sempet jadi mgr ad interm, tapi masih maen aja kmrn, musim depan juga blom diputusin, mau terus maen or ????

Sedangkan di belahan eropa lainnya, Zanneti udah menyatakan retired juga ...

:D:))

zudomiriku
21-05-2014, 12:01 PM
Van Gaal wants Evra to stay at Manchester United

The France defender is weighing up offers from Italian giants Juventus and Inter but his new manager at Old Trafford is hoping he will extend his stay to a 10th season

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Newly appointed Manchester United manager Louis van Gaal has asked Patrice Evra to extend his Old Trafford career into a tenth season, Goal understands.

The Netherlands coach rates the left-back highly and is keen to retain the Frenchman's leadership qualities in a defence - and squad - with Nemanja Vidic and Rio Ferdinand heading for the exit.

While Van Gaal has approved United's attempt to sign Luke Shaw from Southampton, his plan is to split left-back duties between the teenage England international and Evra, who started more Premier League fixtures than any other United outfield player last season.

Ultimately, the decision to remain at Old Trafford or take on a lucrative contract elsewhere will be Evra's, though.

The 33-year-old triggered a unilateral option to extend a contract worth over £6 million annually into a fourth season with his appearance record under the Dutchman's sacked predecessor, David Moyes.

According to a close friend of the player, Evra has yet to make a final decision on where he will play next season. However his emotional ties to United are such he is leaning towards rejecting the opportunity to return to Serie A with Juventus, and carry on in Premier League football.

Evra also remains a target of Juve's Serie A rivals Inter, who have already secured the services of the Frenchman's now former Manchester United team-mate Vidic.

The former Monaco defender joined Manchester United in 2006 and has enjoyed a highly successful spell in England, winning five Premier League titles and a Champions League title.

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2892/transfer-zone/2014/05/20/4830147/van-gaal-wants-evra-to-stay-at-manchester-united

troy andreas
22-05-2014, 08:13 PM
Pemain tertua di skuad United saat ini tinggal Evra (33) & Carrick (32 hampir 33), apakah thread ini ditutup untuk sementara atau? colek rondwisan;

rondwisan
22-05-2014, 08:24 PM
Hahahaa ..., bisa jadi bisa jadi Mods ... :D
Atau biarin aja gpp lah, ntar juga akan 'menyingkir' juga seiring berjalannya waktu .... :-":-"

zudomiriku
10-09-2014, 05:24 PM
Ashley Young relishes role as senior member of Manchester United squad

* Young enjoys his role as one of the more senior pros at Old Trafford
* The former Aston Villa winger says he felt the added extra responsibility when on tour with the club in the US this summer
* The 29-year-old has started all of Manchester United's Premier League games so far this season

Ashley Young has admitted he relishes his role as one of the most senior players at Manchester United, helping the younger and newer players integrate into the squad.

Alongside the likes of Michael Carrick, Robin van Persie and Darren Fletcher, Young ranks as one of the most experienced professionals at the club and says he is always on hand to help the younger players.

He told the Inside United magazine: 'Being 29 you start to become one of the more senior players and I felt like that on tour.

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Helping hand: Ashley Young says he is always on hand to help the younger players

'It puts more pressure on you but it's how you deal with that pressure - you want to be there to help the youngsters that are coming through into the first team.

I think that showed in pre-season how the seniors help the youngsters and also help each other and all talk together on the pitch. We've got one [club] captain but when you're out there on the pitch it's like there is 11.'

The 29-year-old has featured in all three of United's three Premier League games so far and is expected to start again for the Red Devils this weekend as they look to get their season back on track with a win against QPR.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2749330/Ashley-Young-relishes-role-senior-member-Manchester-United-squad.html

rondwisan
10-09-2014, 06:00 PM
Jiah ..., naek kelas doi ..., udah jadi senior aja si Young ... X_XX_X
Hayooo kasih contoh yg oke buat junior2nya yaa ..., dilarang tampil semenjana :P