FA (Referee) vs United
 

dapet dari guardian nih:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...chester-united

lengkapnya:


Alex Ferguson under fire from referees after new outburst at Anfield
* Louise Taylor and Andy Hunter
* guardian.co.uk, Monday 26 October 2009 22.00 GMT

Referees have responded forcefully to Sir Alex Ferguson's criticisms of their abilities by claiming the Manchester United manager's knowledge of football's rules is alarmingly hazy and that his twin attacks on Alan Wiley and Andre Marriner should prompt a stadium ban. "It's so frustrating when a manager as experienced and respected as Sir Alex Ferguson makes a statement about the laws of the game which is completely inaccurate," said Jeff Winter, a former Premier League referee.

Winter was highlighting Ferguson's insistence that Jamie Carragher should have been shown a red rather than yellow card for hauling down Michael Owen on the edge of the area during United's 2-0 defeat at Liverpool yesterday.

Another senior refereeing source, still officiating at Premier League matches, agreed with Winter. "Ferguson clearly doesn't understand the law about the denial of an obvious goal-scoring opportunity," he said. "The fouled player has to have full control of the ball and has to be moving towards the goal but Michael Owen did not fulfil either condition.

"[Sunday's match official] Andre Marriner was absolutely right to award a yellow card and a direct free-kick," he added. "It would have been totally wrong for him to have sent Jamie Carragher off. And Sir Alex should never have said that Andre Marriner was not an experienced referee when he is on the Fifa list and got all the important decisions right on Sunday."

Ferguson's latest comments, although circumspect in comparison with his criticism of Wiley, were being analysed by the Football Association's compliance department today. It is understood, however, that the FA is unlikely to bring any charges against the United manager for questioning Marriner's experience to officiate a game of Sunday's magnitude or criticising the referee's refusal to dismiss Carragher or award a penalty against the Liverpool defender for a challenge on Michael Carrick.

As a veteran of several run-ins with Ferguson, Winter wonders if United's manager was merely deflecting attention from a defeat. "I don't know if Sir Alex Ferguson has got a problem with referees but he has got a problem when Manchester United don't win and blaming the referee is the easy option," he said. "His statement about Carragher shows that either he doesn't know the laws of the game or he's resorting to mind games again."

Winter disagrees with suggestions that Ferguson is mellowing with age. "There are signs that his temper is getting worse," he said. "Some of his touchline antics, when you see the veins standing out on his neck and see him swearing and shouting, are not too good for his own health let alone anyone else's.

"I don't know whether it's age or what but he seems to be getting less tolerant of everybody and everything – especially when Manchester United don't manage to win. This sort of thing seems to be happening every other week with him now."

Like others in the refereeing fraternity, Winter is hoping that the FA will punish Ferguson severely for not just yesterday's comments but his suggestions that Wiley's fitness was suspect following United's recent 2-2 home draw against Sunderland.

"If I were the FA I would personally impose a Fifa-style stadium ban on Sir Alex," said Winter. "I think it's got to be harsh punishment to teach him and everyone else a lesson. The FA have to take serious action against him. Anything less and the Respect campaign is dead in the water. They've got to show Sir Alex and everyone else that behaviour like this will not be tolerated. A fine or, in this case, even a touchline ban won't be enough."

A stadium ban would leave Ferguson watching from the stands and barred from any contact with his players before or during a match once they have entered the stadium. In 2005 Chelsea's then-manager Jose Mourinho received a two-game stadium ban following his comments about Anders Frisk following a Champions League game against Barcelona.

Winter felt Marriner had a "very good" game but acknowledged it was the referee's first Premier League game involving two top-four teams. "There's a first time for everything, though," said Winter. "Andre did well because players from both sides had clearly been told to pressure him and I noticed that his every decision was contested by at least three players."

He also feels the FA should speed up their disciplinary procedures. "All this suggests that Sir Alex isn't really concerned about the authorities," he said. "It's three-and-a-half weeks since his comments about Alan Wiley and still nothing has happened."

Ada yang ngarti gak sih ama aturan foul di bola itu..
Menurut pandangan gw sih Carra bener2 harusnya di Red Card.. tapi kok aturannya yang disebut diatas beda ya?

mohon pencerahannya

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bukannya mau sok ngerti yaa, tapi kalo liat keterangan Jeff Winter diatas, yang harusnya direct red-card itu kayanya kalo si pemegang bola [Owen] ditekel pemain lawan [Carragher], saat ia sedang berlari dengan bebas kearah kiper lawan [Reina], alias posisi dia emang benar² berpotensi u/ bikin gol.. [1-on-1 dgn kiper]

sebagai contoh, mungkin ada yg inget dulu *kalo ga salah waktu lawan Newcastle* Solskjaer juga pernah di kartu merah waktu dia nekel *kalo g salah Shearer*.. posisinya waktu itu Shearer udh berlari bebas dan tinggal berhadapan dgn Schmeichel.. pemain yg paling deket cuma Ole, dan dia terpaksa menekel Shearer agar tdk terjadi gol.. alhasil, Ole pun langsung di usir wasit.

nah, sedangkan posisi Owen kemarin menurut pendapat gue emg ga seperti Shearer. posisi owen saat mendribel bola juga tidak terlalu bebas karena posisi Carra cukup berdekatan dgn Owen *alias owen tidak one-on-one dengan Reina*
mungkin itu alasannya kenapa Carra hanya di kartu kuning dan tidak langsung di usir oleh Andre Marriner...

kalo ada yg lebih mengerti lagi, mohon dikoreksi ya... :malu:

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Benar kasusnya owen memang blon 1 on 1 dg reina, yg perlu diertimbangkan adalah carra adl dlm posisi sbg orang terakhir di pertahanan pool ditambah owen dlm posisi sdh hampir bisa nglewatin carra andai dia gak dijatuhkan dan sdh pasti peluang utk bikin gol lbh besar dg tinggal berhadapan dg reina.
So.. Kalo saya lbh menekankan pd carra orang terakhir di lini pertahanan pool.
Begitu jg vidic seharusnya
Cukup obyektif bukan? :peace:
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bisa juga bro.. tapi sekali lagi, kalo baca statement Jeff Winter, Owen itu posisinya harus bener² in-charge ama tu bola.. artinya dia udh pasti berhadapan dgn Reina trus ditekel, baru mungkin bisa di red-card..

nah, pas kemaren emg menurut gw posisi Owen itu baru mau melewati Carra trus ditekel... posisinya belum bener² in-charge ama bola, makanya Andre Marriner cuman ngasih kartu kuning aja.. dan sekali lagi, perbandingan gw dengan situasi Ole waktu dulu di red card..



this is just my humble opinion though... :peace:

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imo, pemain yang bersangkutan gak harus udah berhadapan 1 dengan 1 sama kiper... kalo gak salah banyak juga kasus seperti itu.. kalau mengacu ke pernyataan ini..

Owen memang gak membawa bola tersebut dalam arti men-dribble.. tapi dia melakukan sebuah flick ke arah samping dimana bola tersebut akan melewati Carra dan terkuasai untuk langsung menuju ke arah Reina.. Carra sebagai orang terakhir udah out of position untuk merebut bola, dalam arti lain, dia gak punya kontrol terhadap bola.. jadi bukan 50-50.. sehingga otomatis Owen akan punya peluang besar untuk mencetak gol.. so, kartu merah harusnya diberikan..

gw rasa, pernyataan SAF jadi berbalik menghantam dia... di kepala para wasit, disengaja atau tidak, jadi tertanam resistensi terhadap dia...

I have to agree on this one.. SAF emg sering protes keras & kena fine dari FA. kayanya wasit2 BPL bakalan kompak u/ m'jadikan SAF as their P.E. #1... :nohope:
Hopefully, they're not going to banned SAF on United's future match...
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saya gak liat replay Owen tp info dari temen yg antek2 The Kop bilang, Carra bukan orang terakhir, krn masih ada pemain Pools lebih belakang posisinya tp tipis banget

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pemain pool yg paling belakang posisi ny ya reina
hehehe...

ada pemain belakang pool, posisi ny kalo ga salah sejajar sama carra
tapi waktu itu jarak pemain tsb agak jauh dgn owen dan carra..

jadi, posisi carra lah yg paling deket sama owen

cmiiw

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wah..ini bikin gue kesel bgt kemaren...

biarpun tipis...but in the end, carra is the last man for fool before reina..

kalo kasarnya..owen tuh lagi ngejar bola, ditarik sama last men..ya masa ndak kartu merah..

CMIIW..waktu vidic dikasi kartu kubing kedua..komentatornya bilang " terlihat sengaja" dan vidic juga ndak protes apa"..

wajarlah ngeliat fergie ngamuk" sama wasit...

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United fuel rift with referees as O'Shea and Fletcher turn up heat on Atkinson
By Mark Fleming
Tuesday November 10 2009

THE hounding of referee Martin Atkinson continued yesterday as Manchester United players Darren Fletcher and John O'Shea joined the fray.

While Alex Ferguson was cleared by the English FA over his comments following United's 1-0 defeat at Chelsea and Wayne Rooney was merely warned over his future conduct after seemingly mouthing "12th man" at TV cameras, the trio could face sanctions for their criticisms.

Fletcher bizarrely blamed Arsene Wenger for the defeat, saying comments made by the Arsenal manager in September that implied the United midfielder was dirty meant he was singled out by Atkinson at Stamford Bridge.

Fletcher is unhappy at Wenger, who accused the champions of being "anti-football", and pointed the finger at "a certain player" who had gone unpunished despite making several fouls in United's 2-1 victory over Arsenal in September. It is widely accepted that Wenger was talking about Fletcher, a perception the United midfielder now believes has made him a marked man for referees.

Fletcher yesterday continued to contest Atkinson's decision to award Chelsea a free-kick for the Scot's challenge on Ashley Cole. The decision ended up being pivotal, as John Terry scored from the resulting set play.

"It was clearly not a foul. I knew at the time and I have watched it again on the replay. I back-heeled the ball and Cole just jumps up in the air and the ref gives a foul," said Fletcher.

"I think we are starting to see Wenger's comments starting to influence referees which is a shame."

O'Shea joined in the criticism of Atkinson, claiming he was influenced by the reaction of Chelsea players in giving the decisive free-kick against Fletcher. The Irish international also attacked Atkinson over his positioning for the resulting set play, describing it as "terrible".

He added: "We didn't think it was a foul in the first place. Fletch went in and came out with the ball. The ref's angle of it and the Chelsea players' reaction won them the free-kick. And then Wes was clearly fouled by Drogba as the ball came in.

"The referee's position was terrible. He was stood right behind one of the Chelsea players and was too far away to see it. Lots of decisions seemed to go against us. I crossed the ball towards the end and (Frank) Lampard clearly stuck his arm up.

"It was just outside the box, but the linesman was 10 yards away and surely had to see it. The little things just didn't go for us and we're very disappointed in that sense."

The players' attacks came as the FA indicated Ferguson will not be charged for his comments that Atkinson's position to see Drogba's clash with Brown in the decisive moment of the match was "absolutely ridiculous". It is understood the FA do not consider Ferguson's criticism of Atkinson constitutes questioning the referee's integrity.

Ferguson had: "The referee's position to make a decision was absolutely ridiculous. He can't see it. It was a bad decision but what can you do? You lose faith in refereeing sometimes. It was a bad one."

Ferguson has already admitted a charge of improper conduct for his comments on referee Alan Wiley's fitness after United's 2-2 draw with Sunderland and could face a touchline ban or fine.

- Mark Fleming