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Angel Di Maria flop?

Topik ginian plus judul "flop" harusnya bikin rame. Klo nggak mah kebangetan. :hammer:

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Angel Di Maria: Why did record signing not work for Man Utd?
By Simon Stone - BBC Sport in Chicago

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He was British football's most expensive signing, a World Cup finalist and regarded as one of the best players in the world at the peak of his powers.

His capture was supposed to be a show of power from Manchester United that they could still compete with Europe's elite for the best players.

But as Angel Di Maria looks set to leave Old Trafford for French champions Paris St-Germain after a single year in the Premier League, BBC Sport looks at why the £59.7m Argentina international has failed on the stage which seemed ready-made for his talents.

How did the deal come about?

It all seemed so perfect.

In the summer of 2013 Manchester United had been looking for a marquee signing with which to usher in the post-Sir Alex Ferguson era.

Cristiano Ronaldo could not be lured back from Real Madrid. Gareth Bale was chased but his heart was set on joining Ronaldo at the Bernabeu.

Twelve months on, the need was more acute. Without the collective mental strength Ferguson so painstakingly forged, technical and physical deficiencies had been exposed during David Moyes' ill-fated tenure.

Glamour was not required purely to make United fans feel good. It was a necessity if they were to compete with Chelsea, Manchester City and Liverpool, who had taken their Champions League place.

Real, back in the 'Galactico' business of accumulating star names, had one man too many following the arrival of one of the 2014 World Cup's stand-out performers, Colombia's James Rodriguez.

Di Maria, man of the match in the Champions League final three months earlier, was deemed surplus to requirements and United executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward swooped.

The Argentine signed a five-year contract on 26 August, 2014, for a British record fee of £59.7m.

Welcome to Manchester: Di Maria's early promise

Talk at the time suggested Di Maria would be paid in excess of £200,000 a week, with bonuses for winning the Premier League, Champions League and even the Ballon d'Or for the world's best player over the course of a five-year contract.

His early performances suggested such optimism was justified.

Di Maria scored a goal and claimed an assist in three of his first four games for United.

The stand-out effort was a magical chip at Leicester on 21 September to put the visitors two goals up in a game they were eventually to lose 5-3.

United fans were in thrall to their new number seven. Di Maria responded by saying moving to Old Trafford from Madrid represented a step up in his career.

Why things changed

Working out why good things turn bad is a precarious business. The facts are that after the victory over Everton on 5 October, Di Maria did not score another goal until 4 January, when United beat League One Yeovil in the FA Cup third round.

Did anything happen in between? Maybe not one seismic moment but a few events rolled up and made a big one seem all the more significant.

In October, Argentina lost a friendly match 2-0 against Brazil in Beijing. Di Maria played the full 90 minutes. The air quality was not great, the temperature was high. Three days later, Di Maria featured for the final 17 minutes of a friendly against the Hong Kong national side.

The round trip was approximately 12,000 miles. For a player who had not had much of a summer break because of his international commitments and had finished the World Cup with a thigh injury, the Far East trip must have been physically draining.

In addition, United manager Louis van Gaal's search for his best formation - and Di Maria's best position in it - meant there was little consistency to his role.

In the South American's first 16 United games, he played in six different positions, including central midfield and striker.

As consistency continued to prove elusive, Di Maria's contribution seemed to be affected. As well as not scoring, he created only three goals in four months between 6 October, 2014 and 10 February, 2015.

A pelvic injury kept him out for virtually all of December.

So a combination of likely fatigue, injury, lack of form and getting used to a new country and obvious language difficulties could all have been playing on his mind on 31 January, when thieves attempted to break into Di Maria's mansion in Cheshire.

Although the intruders did not gain entry, they did smash a glass door and the mental impact on Di Maria's wife, Jorgelina Cardoso, and their young daughter, was so great they are now living in a city-centre apartment, which, while luxurious, is hardly ideal for family life.

On the pitch, Di Maria's slide continued. Sent off in the FA Cup quarter-final defeat by Arsenal on 9 March , Di Maria was a substitute in six successive games following his return from suspension. He did start the final match of the campaign against Hull, only to limp off with a hamstring injury after 23 minutes.

Why United are willing to let him go

This combination of circumstances led to Di Maria becoming extremely unhappy and wanting a move. As recently as Sunday, Van Gaal said he hoped the Argentine would stay.

Yet the Dutchman has also stated at various times over the past year it is counterproductive trying to keep unhappy players.

The difference between this situation and goalkeeper David De Gea's possible move to Real Madrid, for instance, is that while the Spaniard is a relaxed presence around the United camp, Di Maria has not joined up with the squad in the United States on their pre-season tour while his future is thrashed out.
Paris St-Germain were keen on taking him last year and are now offering a get-out.

For United, the bitterness of losing a player of such talent is eased by a transfer system which means, financially, they may not take the massive hit it first appears.

Because of the strength of the pound and the change in exchange rates in the past 12 months, plus the way the initial transfer fee was structured, if PSG agree to pay the reported 65m euros (£46.05m), United's overall loss would be less than £10m.

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Hit and miss? Manchester United's biggest buys
£59.7m - Angel Di Maria from Real Madrid
£37.1m - Juan Mata from Chelsea
£30.75m - Dimitar Berbatov from Tottenham
£30m - Rio Ferdinand from Leeds
£29m - Ander Herrera from Athletic Bilbao
£28.1m - Juan Sebastian Veron from Lazio

The fans' view

United fans have been here before. Juan Sebastian Veron arrived with enormous fanfare - and a then British record £28.1m price tag - from Lazio in 2001 but lasted only two seasons before he left for Chelsea.

Sir Alex Ferguson also broke the club transfer record when he paid Tottenham £30.75m for Dimitar Berbatov in 2008. The Bulgarian did win the Golden Boot in 2010-11, but finished the campaign not able to get a place in United's Champions League final squad. Within six months he had left for Fulham.

Yet possibly more than those two, Di Maria's eventual exit will leave a sad sense of 'what might have been' purely because his talent has been so obvious in the past and his departure so swift.

"I don't understand it," said Ryan Chelva, a fan from Australia who saw United beat Barcelona 3-1 in Santa Clara, California, without Di Maria at the weekend.

"If you sign someone as good as him, you have to give him more than a single season.

"He played really well in his first couple of months. He proved he can play under Louis van Gaal. He proved he has the talent. Now it looks as though he is leaving. It is hugely disappointing."

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Di Maria vs Hazard
Minutes played 1642 vs 3372
Goals 3 vs 14
Assists 10 vs 9
Crosses 199 vs 61

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Lagi hot2nya berita tentang "deal" penjualan Di Maria ke PSG. Si Blanc dibeberapa media malah menyatakan klo nego Di Maria trus berjalan. Nego gaji antara Di Maria dan PSG pun kabarnya udah sepakat. Yang masih mengganjal mungkin hanya fee antara PSG dan United. Jadi sejauh ini Di Maria masih sebagai pemain Manchester United.

Mungkin threadnya rada terburu2 karena Di Maria sejauh ini masih belum dijual United. Tapi kombinasi form musim lalu dan gosip panas penjualan dia harusnya sih udah cukup buat bahas2 tentang dia.

Harga mahal, nama besar dan form di Madrid yang bener2 kinclong seharusnya jadi dasar ekspektasi semua orang kepada Di Maria di United. Musim lalu dia mampu membuat 10 assist (hanya Fabregas dan Cazorla yang lebih banyak di BPL) tapi hal itu seolah tidak menggambarkan apa yang dia tampilkan di lapangan.

Statistik Di Maria 2014/2015

Klo dilihat dari statistik di atas seolah siklusnya menjanjikan di awal, cedera di tengah dan duduk dibangku cadangan di akhir musim.

Jadi... ada apa dengan Di Maria dan bagaimana pendapat temen-temen tentang Di Maria di musim pertamanya (dan bisa jadi musim terakhirnya) di United.

Monggo share pendapat. :)

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Ayooo di goreng..
#eeh :hammer:

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Originally Posted by fredrian.seven (Post 616012)

Jadi... ada apa dengan Di Maria dan bagaimana pendapat temen-temen tentang Di Maria di musim pertamanya (dan bisa jadi musim terakhirnya) di United.

Monggo share pendapat. :)

NB : ini thread debat. Sengaja taruh disini biar isinya opini. Boleh copas artikel/berita tapi hanya sebagai sumber opini dan tetep intinya opini pribadi.

Harus nya pendapat ts dlu donk hehe

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Re: Angel Di Maria flop?

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Originally Posted by theater of dream (Post 616017)

Harus nya pendapat ts dlu donk hehe

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Saya baru OL om... di post ke satu sengaja nggak ngasih opini dulu. Kan ceritanya pembukaan.he... Btw, thanks sdh di approve...

Emang rumit masalah Di Maria ini. Semua pasti sepakat klo saat di Madrid formnya bener2 bagus. Harga 60jt pound (meski rada2 inflasi) seolah jadi pembuktian. LVG pun logikanya membeli dia karena kualitas dia lebih baik dari pemain yang ada tapi apa daya mainnya ya gitu2 aja di United.

Masalah utama ya jelas gaya main yang seolah bertolak belakang dengan LVG. Yang satu inginnya "passing passing passing" sambil cari "space" dan yang satu udah terbiasa main kenceng di Madrid. Sebenernya seharusnya bisa adaptasi, tapi mungkin faktor mental saat rumahnya habis kerampokan jadi penghambat. Mungkin kombinasi hal2 itu bikin form dilapangan nggak maksimal.

IMO

Re: Angel Di Maria flop?

Diawal musim, saya ingat melawan Leicester ADM main sebagai pemain tengah. :hammer:

Jarang sih melihat ADM main sebagai winger murni plus kurangnya aliran bola ke dia dari fullback. Terlalu dini untuk menilai ADM flop, kecuali dia minggat duluan. :-?

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Opini gw masih sama sepertinya seperti masih sama seperti kemarin2. DiMaria ini msh adaptasi. Sebenernya terlalu dini untuk dikatakan flop karena msh 1 musim, toh juga dia raja assist. Masalahnya adalah di setengah musim kedua doi terkesan kurang menggigit karena ternyata pas Mata-Herrera nyetel. Otomatis jatah main Di Maria berkurang. Itu dia. Menurut gw pribadi, kualitas dia jelaslah sangat dibutuhin united. Dia cuma butuh waktu untuk adaptasi. Harusnya musim ini bisa, tapi sayang banget ya, gak profesional :p kok bisa?

Kalo diliat dari apa yg beredar selama ini, yang bikin sakit hati dr pemain ini adalah masalah etika sama profesionalisme. Ga ada kabar sama sekali. Masa iya sampe pelatih aja gak dikabari kenapa doi ga ada di pesawat yg seharusnya ngangkut dia ke tur amerika? :thumbdown:

Mereka berdua sama2 gapunya etika, ga punya profesionalisme. Baik itu PSG sama Di Maria. PSG sayang banget harus seenaknya ngomong di twitter resmi mereka bahwa Transfer dimaria berjalan lancar.

Ada yg nyeletuk, "Ini kalo ngikutin Bosman Rule harusnya bisa sikat nih! Klub asal aja belum konfirmasi udah maen konfirmasi aja ini PSG."

Pake cara berkelas dikitlah kayak MU-Bayern terkait transfer Bastian. Setelah bener2 rampung si presiden konfirmasi di media baru kemudian diikuti klub tujuan, MU.

https://scontent-sin1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...f6&oe=564B7DA7

DID NOT WORK.

Karena Di Maria nyalinya cuma segitu doank. Hehehehe. Baru beberapa bulan lalu bilang mau jd legenda, sekarang udah nyerah dengan tantangan, nyerah untuk ngebuktiin bahwa dia bisa. Nyerah untuk berkompetisi. Sama aja nih kayak De Bruyne, sukanya cari jalan aman. Gapapa tim yg lebih 'kecil' asal dia bisa main terus karena dia sendiri yang berkompetisi di posisi itu di klub tersebut. Tipikal pemain America Selatan? :-??

Lah ngomong adaptasi ??/??
Bukan nya Di Maria datang langsung topcer, cedera dan setelah itu main nya kemaruk, ntah karena main nya dah bisa kebaca lawan, perform yg menurun ato memang kemampuan nya dah mentok ?

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Wkwkwkw...

Jadi kalo pertama dateng trus jago, kemudian semakin kesini semakin jelek bisa dibilang bukan masalah adaptasi? Fergie aja butuh adaptasi setelah bergelimang medali di Aberdeen. Adaptasi bukanlah hal yg sangat rame dibicarain bro. Karena itu wajar, dan itu namanya adaptasi bukan yg lain. hehehe...

Mentok? Mentok tapi diawal musim bagus loh spt yg lo bilang. Mungkin definis mentok kita aja disini yg beda tjuy. Karena gw gak ngerasa mentok. Hanya saja, 'improvisasi' nya yg dia rasa bisa membantu tim justru malah sebaliknya. Kemudian akhir musim dia baru sadar, OK ternyata disini gabisa kayak gt, gabisa kayak gini. Kita sepakat menyebutnya sbg masa adaptasi. Mau diawal musim bagus atau jelek, menurut gw itu disebut masa adaptasi, dmana di musim selanjutnya (beberapa fans mungkin mengatakan lebih) adalah pembuktian apakah dia bisa belajar dr musim lalu atau tidak, bisa beradaptasi atu tidak.

Kalo bicarain masalah cidera kemudian lo ngerasa dia kemaruk, nah disitulah hal lain yg dia harus BELAJAR MENGERTI/MEMAHAMI (yang gw sebut sebagai ADAPTASI), bahwa disini itu percuma lo sok sok pamer skill tp ngga efektif. Pinter gocek, pinter dribel, tp kalo hal hal berbau teknis tersebut lo lakuin dengan cara yg SAMA PERSIS seperti di la liga, ya wassalam lah...

Itu cuma salah satu contoh tjuy, itu adalah hal yg mungkin udah dia sadari di akhir musim, bahwa cara Di Maria 'berimprovisasi' (yang lo bilang kemaruk) itu buang buang waktu, mending balik lg dengan cara 'biasa' seperti diawal awal musim.. Itulah dia yg kita sebut masa ADAPTASI DI PARUH KEDUA MUSIM. Kecuali lo (dan mungkin fans fans lainnya) ngerasa bahwa seorang pemain itu cukup dinilai 1 musim aja, gaperlu nambah-nambah lagi, makan soto kalii nambah.

Cidera mungkin mempengruhi, tp jujurlah ama diri sendiri, bahwa kita (atau cuma gw doank nih? X_X) pada dasarnya msh menginginkan dia, msh mengakui kualitasnya bagus, di paruh musim kedua baru cidera susah balik lg karena disana udah ada yg mainnya lebih efektif (Mata), bahwa mainnya itu mulai gak efektif blas, dan disitu dia harus belajar untuk memperbaikinya di waktu yg akan datang (musim depan), akuilah...

Terlebih, semua komentar yg gw denger (atau lagi lagi cm gw aja yg denger :hammer:) adalah, masalah utamanya itu 1: ATTITUDE, bukan mempermasalahkan kenapa kok mainnnya gitu gitu amat di paruh musim kedua. Kenapa kok kualitasnya dilapangan scr kseluruhan gak terlalu dibahas? karena mereka (atau gw doank? lagi? :(:sad::sad:) mengakui bahwa kualitas tsb sudah ada, hanya saja perlu bener2 kembali dibuktikan lewat main di lapangan, main di tur, bukan main main di lubang tikus. :thumbdown:

He. He. He. :D

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FLOP?? waduh,assists terbanyak bagi klubnya di musim kemaren masih di bilang gagal??ampun deh kadar ke united-an guwe makin cetek mikirnya atau mungkin gagal memenuhi keinginan fans-nya saja yang selalu mengingat belinya mahal,mantan terbaik di-final ucl...dan salahnya pake nomor 7,iya nomor 7!! disini nomor 7 ya harus gitu dan ga boleh gini kali ya... @-)

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Originally Posted by GUNGZ-HO (Post 616483)

Klo ane bilang sih...

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Musim lalu dia mampu membuat 10 assist (hanya Fabregas dan Cazorla yang lebih banyak di BPL) tapi hal itu seolah tidak menggambarkan apa yang dia tampilkan di lapangan.

Jadi, bagaimana penampilan Di Maria menurut om? Tidak hanya awal musim tapi keseluruhan.

Klo menurut ane Di Maria nge-flop di musim pertamanya. Meski bisa bikin 10 assist tapi klo dinilai secara keseluruhan hingga akhir musim dia cadangan buat Van Gaal. Dan pemain yang dibeli mahal dan form di klub sebelumnya bagus maka keseluruhan penampilan yang ditunjukkan Di Maria musim ini anjlok.

Ya mungkin sih adaptasi. Klo misalkan musim depan sih di United (kayaknya mustahil klo lihat pembangkangannya) bisa jadi lebih baik. Tapi perbandingan dengan sebelumnya dan ekseptasi yang ada maka ya rasanya rada jauh.

Pake nomor 7 ya. Rasanya nomor keramat itu arti dari ekspektasi tinggi klub kepada dia. Selama ini hanya Owen aja yang nggak jelas kenapa di kasih no 7. Bahkan Valencia pun pakai no 7 karena musim sebelumnya bener2 mantep.