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Manchester United's Attacking Talent Misfires Against Arsenal



Manchester United's wonderful array of attacking talent did not manage to add up to much as David Moyes' side failed to score against Arsenal.
Almost any positives that could be drawn from United's performance were defensive. David De Gea made a couple of excellent saves. Antonio Valencia did an excellent job of standing in the right place to make a goal-line clearance. Rio Ferdinand and Nemanja Vidic played a half of football together without doing anything that made you yearn for their youth.

Up front, however, things were not so rosy.

Robin van Persie began his second return to the Emirates with a golden opportunity to set United on their way. An early goal could have been an enormous blow to an Arsenal side still putting bandages on the wounds inflicted on them at Anfield in the first 20 minutes of last Saturday's game.

Van Persie's distinctly lacklustre finish set the tone for his performance. Not until deep into the second half, when a bullet header forced a fine save from Wojciech Szczesny, did last season's goal machine seriously threaten his former club.

It is not particularly scientific, but something looked “not right” with Van Persie this evening. He certainly wanted for service, with United's creative talents mustering four key passes all night (two from crosses and two from a narrower position, according to Squawka.com).

However, when he did receive service, he was wasteful. His early shot was weak by his own exalted standards, and his other notable shot went fairly spectacularly wide.

This has been a difficult season for Van Persie, and rumours (such as those found here in the Daily Express) have suggested that he and Moyes have not enjoyed the smoothest of relationships. Given that, it is perhaps understandable that the Dutchman found a return to the Emirates tough.

Footballers are expected to remain unaffected by their personal lives once they are on the pitch, but it is not an enormous leap of armchair psychology to suggest that there may have been factors more subtle than form and fitness which influenced Van Persie's performance at his old home.

This is, of course, a matter of speculation. What is not, is that the rest of United's attacking ensemble were no more effective than Van Persie.

Wayne Rooney made not one single attempt on goal. As his Squawka heat map shows, he barely ventured into the box, and he spent much of his time dropping deep into midfield when Arsenal had possession.

United's one truly dangerous moment came from a wonderful piece of interplay between Van Persie and Rooney, but rarely did the shape of the side allow them to combine.

According to the FourFourTwo Stats Zone app, they exchanged passes nine times in 90 minutes, creating one attempt on goal. Hardly Dwight Yorke and Andy Cole in 1999.

Juan Mata did a fine job in the Shinji Kagawa role—out of position on the left wing in a 4-4-1-1 formation ill suited to his abilities.

Antonio Valencia made little impact on United's attacking play. Perhaps surprisingly, given the outrageous number of crosses put in by United at the weekend, their one recognised winger only attempted one cross at the Emirates tonight. Perhaps less surprisingly, it did not find its intended target.

As Squawka pointed out on twitter, the pattern of play differed greatly from United's last run out.

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Arsenal attempted more crosses (21) than Man Utd (18) tonight.

The overall impression given by United's attacking quartet was one of safety first. Moyes chose to replace Mata with Adnan Januzaj, denying fans excited about seeing what United's two most creative players can achieve if they are on the pitch together the opportunity. Hopefully this lies ahead for United.

In a post-match interview with Jonathan Pearce for BBC Sport, David Moyes said:

I'm pleased. I wanted three points, because I know the players are capable, we've got a good team, but, you know, Arsenal are rightly near the top of the league just now, and they've had a great season, so it wasn't a bad draw for us, but as I say, I'd like to have taken all three.

It is not the stuff of blood and thunder, and it does not do much to discredit the notion that Moyes was happy to play for a draw.

The counter point to that idea comes from a moment where, with around 10 seconds remaining in injury time, with three Manchester United players on their way into the box, Michael Carrick knocked a pass backward to Tom Cleverley. Moyes was clearly seen going apoplectic on the touch line. Whilst he may be happy enough with a draw, he had not given up playing for the win entirely.

It may behove him to use a more progressive approach in the future. United have enormous talent up front. Moyes has to find a way to use it.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1958290-manchester-uniteds-attacking-talent-misfires-against-arsenal

[Redsbusby]

Originally Posted by Shi no Gekai

kalo emang style sendiri ini udah kadaluarsa dan usang kenapa harus bertahan?kenapa ga coba gaya baru yang mana pemaen sekarang juga cocok dengan gaya baru itu..

kalo kata bos gw sih,dinosaurus punah karena tidak berubah..

embuh artine opo..

Dan gw rasa ini yg sampe skrg masih diraba Moyes. Gaya ini untuk beberapa fans memang usang, namun sayangnya ini dia peninggalan Fergie, dan sayangnya lagi, Moyes masih terkesan sungkan untuk bener2 memainkan skema yang ia mau, dengan pemain yang ia mau.

Contohlah young, bermain kurang konsisten, tp disaat semua percaya bahwa januzaj akan menggantikan young, justru young main (ujung2nya malah mata diganti januzaj), dan ini mengindikasikan kalo Moyes seolah hanya ingin 'memastikan' (lagi dan lagi) kalo young ini emang udah ga cocok main di tim, sama spt bbrpa pemain lain

Pertanyaan sampe kapan Moyes msh meraba2 dan memastikan bahwa skema yang tepat juga harus dimainkan dgn pemain yg tepat, sesuai dgn keinginan sang gaffer, itu yg msh harus ditunggu, karena menentukan posisi kita diakhir musim dan (mungkin) musim selanjutnya.

Cuma 2 sen.

[fredrian.seven]

Originally Posted by Shi no Gekai

kalo emang style sendiri ini udah kadaluarsa dan usang kenapa harus bertahan?kenapa ga coba gaya baru yang mana pemaen sekarang juga cocok dengan gaya baru itu..

kalo kata bos gw sih,dinosaurus punah karena tidak berubah..

embuh artine opo..

Originally Posted by Redsbusby

Dan gw rasa ini yg sampe skrg masih diraba Moyes. Gaya ini untuk beberapa fans memang usang, namun sayangnya ini dia peninggalan Fergie, dan sayangnya lagi, Moyes masih terkesan sungkan untuk bener2 memainkan skema yang ia mau, dengan pemain yang ia mau.

Contohlah young, bermain kurang konsisten, tp disaat semua percaya bahwa januzaj akan menggantikan young, justru young main (ujung2nya malah mata diganti januzaj), dan ini mengindikasikan kalo Moyes seolah hanya ingin 'memastikan' (lagi dan lagi) kalo young ini emang udah ga cocok main di tim, sama spt bbrpa pemain lain

Pertanyaan sampe kapan Moyes msh meraba2 dan memastikan bahwa skema yang tepat juga harus dimainkan dgn pemain yg tepat, sesuai dgn keinginan sang gaffer, itu yg msh harus ditunggu, karena menentukan posisi kita diakhir musim dan (mungkin) musim selanjutnya.

Cuma 2 sen.

Yah, merubah sesuatu yang udah bertahan puluhan tahun apakah semudah gitu aja? Ada yang biasa maen FM? Sejak FM 2012 ada satu perubahan di aspek permainan, "familiarity" atau apa ya aku lupa. Intinya tiap perubahan taktik selalu ada masa tunggu biar familiar. Masa paling efektif buat mempercepat itu pas pre-season. Jadi klo mo minta perubahan ya nunggu pre-season depan. Bukan pasti berubah sih, hanya kemungkinan besar ada di periode itu.

Taktik jaman batu ala Fergie nggak bisa dibilang jelek. Juara demi juara didapat. Lha kenapa musim ini nggak? Pelatihnya beda. Meski taktik mirip tapi tetep aja yang ngendaliin beda. Tetep ada masa adaptasi pemaen dan pelatih.

Jadi musim depan akan berubah drastis gaya maen? Blom tau. Bisa jadi tidak tapi setidaknya (klo taktik sama) udah lebih diadaptasi pemaen daripada saat ini

[tukang-las]

Klo emang ingin bertahan dgn sistem yg ada, knp ga diperkuat?? Knp ga valencia atau young dibuat lebih bertaji??Klo 2 orang itu dah mentok,knp malah beli Mata??

[fredrian.seven]

Originally Posted by tukang-las

Klo emang ingin bertahan dgn sistem yg ada, knp ga diperkuat?? Knp ga valencia atau young dibuat lebih bertaji??Klo 2 orang itu dah mentok,knp malah beli Mata??

Gimana cara membuat Vale Young lebih bertaji. Klo bisa ya udah dilakukan oleh Fergie

Mungkin (mungkin lho ya) Moyes merencanakan taktik yang berbeda musim depan dengan adanya Mata. Tapi ya musim depan. Karena riskan dan susah merubah (drastis) gaya maen tim klo musim dah berjalan seperti saat ini. Apalagi taktik yang udah bertahan 20an tahun

[zudomiriku]

MARTIN KEOWN: Moyes must put a stop to his tinkering... United should play this XI

It's incredible that David Moyes has used a different starting line-up in all of his 39 games this season, but it just shows how difficult he has found it to get the balance right.

The challenge for any manager is to work out your best team, but you have to do that quickly. If not, you end up with a lot of changes and there is a danger in that.

When I was at Aston Villa, we had wholesale changes every week, not only in personnel but systems. When a manager does that, players wonder if it is a lottery as to whether you play or not. Moyes has also shuffled players around, which does not help.

I think Chris Smalling is a future United centre half, but he is used as a utility man. If you keep moving players it’s as if you don’t take them 100 per cent seriously to play in their best position, but if you give players a long run in a position they feel that trust, grow in stature and improve in their performances.

David de Gea and Patrice Evra pick themselves and I think Smalling is the future at centre half. And even though he’s leaving in the summer, Nemanja Vidic would get in my starting XI.

Best team: The starting XI that David Moyes should be playing when they are available


Shot stopper: David de Gea has been in sparkling form for most of this season


Short term fix: Nemanja Vidic and Chris Smalling would be the best pairing in centre defence


Full backs: Antonio Valencia should be playing in defence with Patrice Evra


Like a new signing: A fit again Darren Fletcher is good enough to get into Moyes' starting XI


Anchoring the midfield: Michael Carrick got a goal against Fulham in their 2-2 draw


Get him in: Big money signing Juan Mata needs to be given time to find his form


Behind the striker: Wayne Rooney is still the linchpin of the Manchester United teams


Deadly: Adnan Januzaj and Robin van Persie would join up in attack to terrorise defences

Right back is a tough one, but I think Antonio Valencia can do a job there. He has played there before, Moyes likes the width he offers and he has enough energy to get up and down the line.

Michael Carrick and Darren Fletcher provide a solid midfield platform, then you can use Adnan Januzaj and Juan Mata slightly wider.

Both like to cut in, so you can accommodate your most creative midfielders but still get width through your full backs.

Then Robin van Persie leads the line with Wayne Rooney dropping off.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2558991/MARTIN-KEOWN-Moyes-stop-tinkering-United-play-XI.html

[tukang-las]

Originally Posted by fredrian.seven

Gimana cara membuat Vale Young lebih bertaji. Klo bisa ya udah dilakukan oleh Fergie

Mungkin (mungkin lho ya) Moyes merencanakan taktik yang berbeda musim depan dengan adanya Mata. Tapi ya musim depan. Karena riskan dan susah merubah (drastis) gaya maen tim klo musim dah berjalan seperti saat ini. Apalagi taktik yang udah bertahan 20an tahun

Klo sir alex aja ga bisa ubah,,apalagi moyes ini...

Anda ga berpikiran klo moyes>fergie kan??

[atticus.finch]

Originally Posted by tukang-las

Klo sir alex aja ga bisa ubah,,apalagi moyes ini...

Anda ga berpikiran klo moyes>fergie kan??

vale pernah bertaji toh? tapi tajinya ilang abis cedera panjang, terus abis itu doi nggak pernah sama lagi. Nah kalo si young, tajinya cuma keluar setiap blue moon doang

[tukang-las]

Vale kan pernah jd pemain terbaik United om, 2 musim lalu...klo young?? Yah...sperti kata pangeran siahaan di sebuah artikel,,makin sedikit yg kau bicarakan tentang dia,,makin baik..

[fredrian.seven]

Originally Posted by tukang-las

Klo sir alex aja ga bisa ubah,,apalagi moyes ini...

Anda ga berpikiran klo moyes>fergie kan??

Klo dari rumusnya om adji sih Fergie >>> Moyes