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Old 08-07-2010, 10:41 AM   #101
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Ngga ada korelasi curang dengan hukuman, curang ya tetap curang kalo masalah hukuman itu urusan nya belakangan, ketahuan curang yang dihukum kalo ngga ketahuan ya lewat hehehe..
Kalo diliat dari gambar nya suarez bukan menangkis bola yang mengarah pada nya tapi berusaha menjangkau bola, jadi unsur kesengajaan sangat besar..
ya seperti bro kubo bilang, tackling.. masih bisa diperdebatkan apa kah itu tackling nya murni, late tackle, horror tackle..
tapi kalo jelas2 menangkap bola yang udah 100% mau masuk, ngga ada alasan untuk dijelaskan oleh pemain ke wasit..
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Old 08-07-2010, 10:45 AM   #102
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tapi kalau tackle itu dilakukan untuk balas dendam dan sudah diniatkan untuk mencederai lawan...yah tahu sendirilah...
itu pun ga bisa dibilang cara curang.. toh dia melakukan dengan cara2 normal di sepak bola. tackle, dan dilakukan terang2an didepan jutaan penonton. klo main bola pake sepatu yg ujungnya pisau (), itu baru curang... hehehe

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Old 08-07-2010, 10:48 AM   #103
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itu pun ga bisa dibilang cara curang.. toh dia melakukan dengan cara2 normal di sepak bola. tackle, dan dilakukan terang2an didepan jutaan penonton. klo main bola pake sepatu yg ujungnya pisau (), itu baru curang... hehehe
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Old 08-07-2010, 10:53 AM   #104
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hwhwhwhwh...kalau begitu kita beda pendapat disini...

tackle itu bagian dari pertandingan...tapi kalau tackle itu dilakukan terlambat...atau kakinya terlalu tinggi...itu pelanggaran...

tapi kalau tackle itu dilakukan untuk balas dendam dan sudah diniatkan untuk mencederai lawan...yah tahu sendirilah...

tapi kalau tangan bergerak dengan sengaja...menghentikan bola yang 100% masuk ke gawang...itu curang...(dan aku benar2 sulit menerima hal itu refleks Suarez)...

kalau tangan si pemain memang ada disana tanpa kesengajaan sih...itu pelanggaran normal...karena kita tidak mungkin membuat aturan untuk mengikat tangan pemain...apalagi memotong tangan pemain...
bagaimana dengan usaha seorang kiper/orang terakhir yang memilih melakukan pelanggaran untuk mencegah pemain lawan cetak gol?... dengan pilihan kalo' kalah duel di luar kotak penalti ya cuman free kick.. kalo' dalam kotak penalti ya untung2an lewat tendangan penalti walaupun ujung-ujungnya konsekuensinya sama... kartu merah.. keluar dari pertandingan dan tidak boleh maen di beberapa pertandingan berikutnya....
menurut saya sudah cukup urusan disini... bagian dr pertandingan... yg aturan dan hukumannya sudah jelas.

sama dengan shawcross tackling Eduardo... patah kakinya... dia sengaja ato tidak?....
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Old 08-07-2010, 11:00 AM   #105
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A recent controversial situation occurred during the 2010 FIFA World Cup quarterfinal between Uruguay and Ghana. In extra time with the match tied 1-1, Uruguay's Luis Alberto Suárez committed a deliberate goal line handball save from Ghana's Dominic Adiyiah in the last minute of the second extra time period. As per the laws of the game, the referee issued Suárez a straight red card and awarded a penalty but Asamoah Gyan missed it, leaving the game tied at end time. Uruguay went on to win 4-2 in the shootout, and Suárez's teammates carried him around the pitch as a hero. Suárez afterward said that “The ‘Hand of God’ now belongs to me. Mine is the real ‘Hand Of God’. I made the best save of the tournament". He was banned for the next match, although some have argued for and against lengthening the suspension. Ghana's John Pantsil argued that the referee should have allowed the goal to stand instead of pointing to the spot.[4][5][6] While not technically an example of a professional foul, this deliberate denial of a goal scoring opportunity by handball typifies the willingness of players to take measures some consider unsporting to win games in elite competitions.
Roy Keane baru dikenai hukuman tambahan karena pengakuaannya...

Shawcross kurasa tidak berniat mencederai Eduardo...
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Old 08-07-2010, 11:04 AM   #106
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Oom Edwin - Oom ToD,
klo emang menurut Ente apa yg dilakukan Suarez kadar refleknya rendah ....
kira2x klo Anda yg berada di posisi Suarez, apa yg akan Anda lakukan ...

membiarkan saja bola yg ada di dekat anda tsb masuk ke gawang dan membuat team Anda pulang dengan sukses

atau melakukan segala upaya untuk menggagalkan bola tsb masuk gawang meski hanya sesaat (krn resiko juga tetep kalah klo penalti Ghana masuk)

klo gw sih rasanya akan melakukan hal yg kedua deh ..., terserah mo dibilang curang apa enggak yah yg penting usaha dulu lah ...
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Old 08-07-2010, 11:09 AM   #107
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usaha itu harus jujur...sportif...

melanggar peraturan dengan sengaja itu tidak jujur dan sportif...

kalau aku di posisi Suarez...aku tidak akan melakukan hal yang sama...(terlalu sombong ya)...kalau begitu aku berharap tidak melakukan hal yang sama...(masih cuma berharap)...kalau begitu aku ga akan bangga melakukan kecurangan untuk berhasil...

kalau kita memang kalah kelas...ya kalah dengan usaha terbaik yang benar...itu baru kalah dengan kepala tegak...
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usaha itu harus jujur...sportif...

melanggar peraturan dengan sengaja itu tidak jujur dan sportif...

kalau aku di posisi Suarez...aku tidak akan melakukan hal yang sama...(terlalu sombong ya)...kalau begitu aku berharap tidak melakukan hal yang sama...(masih cuma berharap)...kalau begitu aku ga akan bangga melakukan kecurangan untuk berhasil...

kalau kita memang kalah kelas...ya kalah dengan usaha terbaik yang benar...itu baru kalah dengan kepala tegak...
kalo' saya diposisi Suarez (membela timnas)... saya akan lakukan hal yang sama spt Suarez ato mas opa....
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kalo' saya diposisi Suarez (membela timnas)... saya akan lakukan hal yang sama spt Suarez ato mas opa....
nanti kaya Mursyid Effendi, Cak Gufi...

masalahnya aku anti Machiavelli sih...hahahahah...
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nanti kaya Mursyid Effendi, Cak Gufi...

masalahnya aku anti Machiavelli sih...hahahahah...
kalo' mursyid itu baru namanya cheater cak.... beda jauh ama Suarez

btw... saya jd teringat ama oom TOD... dia tdk akan pernah mencela pemain United selama dia bela United... kira-kira gimana tanggapan oom TOD ketika Scholes melakukan smash bola?
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