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Old 08-05-2012, 11:44 PM   #11
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Ampun om momod... nggak terlalu OOT sih, masih seputar united vs city meski rada jauh nyambungnya.

@ferly_Liemz, selain tanda masih kompetitif juga tanda tanya buat mental juara bertahan. Juara bertahan+pemaen berpengalaman (bukan umur tua) tapi nggak begitu tampak.
heehehe FPP lebih tepat nya Arsenal vs Citeh, Chelsea, Pool, United juga...
kalo standar itu ditetapkan cuma Arsenal yg memenuhi syarat
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heehehe FPP lebih tepat nya Arsenal vs Citeh, Chelsea, Pool, United juga...
kalo standar itu ditetapkan cuma Arsenal yg memenuhi syarat
Not really, rata-rata United's net spend per musim selama 5 th terakhir gak sampai 10 juta pounds kok.

Sorry, makin OOT om...

Edit: sampai bingung saya, kok tau-tau ada postingan saya di thread yg belum pernah lihat. Haha.

Salut om Momod..

(Nanti pas punya waktu luang, riset tentang FFP ini deh, kayaknya menarik)

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Old 09-05-2012, 10:39 PM   #13
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Yang punya info terbaru lagi tentang perkembangan Financial Fairplay silaken diupdate lagi disini..
Masih banyak poin yang belum dijabarin...
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Topik yang menarik... nunggu yang paham soal ini. Aku awam juga... cuma tau United terhambat utang, itu aja. Yah... moga klo bener diterapkan bakal dilakukan secara tegas dan konsisten coz pasti bakal ada aja yang berusaha ngeles atau cara ilegal tapi legal buat menghindari aturan ini.
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City banyak uang krn modal besar... United banyak utang

Memang skuad mereka lbh baik kok, qt aja yg bodoh musim ini buang keunggulan 8 poin di saat akhir... Itu aja ud jd bukti kl united msh bs kompetitif musim depan tp akan susah ngalahin city kl head to head
kita liat aja gan musim depan
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Setelah EUFA akan menerapkan aturan FFP, kini di EPL juga berhembus usulan yang senada. Salah satu pengusungnya United.

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Running scared! United want to put brake on City's kamikaze spending
5 September 2012 - dailymail

Manchester United are behind plans for tighter financial controls on Barclays Premier League clubs that would limit the spending power of rivals such as Manchester City.

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Manchester United and Manchester City are on opposite sides of a new divide in the Premier League: whether the competition should introduce its own Uefa-style financial fair play regulations.

Klub2 yang hampir pasti mendukung mungkin United, Arsenal dan Wigan. Klo yang 100% menolak pasti city. Klub laen masih blom tau tapi Gill sendiri meyakini banyak klub yang akan setuju. Klo info dari redcafe sih United butuh dukungan 14 klub buat nge-gol-kan usulan ini.

Sejauh ini sepertinya blom ada tanggapan dari pihak FA.
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Klo mo mundur lebih jauh lagi, sebenernya bbrp club udah ada yg pernah melontarkan usulan pembatasan gaji ya (salary cap) kayak yg di game itu, tujuannya jelas agar club2 kaya tidak 'semena2' menggaji pemainnya sehingga para pemain berlomba2 masuk ke club tsb, cuman usulan tinggal usulan yg bagai angin lalu, kagak ada respond dari pihak2 yg berkompeten ....
Sampai akhirnya dihembuskan FFP ini ..., tinggal liat aja sejauh mana policy ini efektif untuk mengerem atau mengurangi kesenjangan club2 yang ada
Yg jelas para pebola (ama managementnya) sih yg rada2 menolak dengan pembatasan2 yg ada
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MU Gagas Pengetatan Keuangan di Premier League
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Manchester - Meski UEFA telah mencanangkan financial fairplay, Liga Inggris bisa jadi akan memiliki aturan sendiri terkait pembatasan belanja klub-klubnya. Proposal tersebut diajukan oleh Manchester United. Untuk menjegal Manchester City?

Dikutip dari Daily Mail, MU sudah mengajukan proposal yang nantinya akan mengetatkan pengeluaran yang bisa dilakukan klub-klub yang berlaga di Premier League. Pembahasan terhadap hal tersebut dijadwalkan akan dilakukan pada Kamis (6/9/2012) ini waktu setempat.

Ide yang diajukan pihak MU ini sesungguhnya sama dengan konsep financial fair play milik UEFA. Nantinya setiap klub diwajibkan untuk menyeimbangkan neraca keuangannya, antara pemasukan dan pengeluaran. Musim lalu, City menjadi klub dengan jumlah kerugian paling besar di Liga Inggris yakni mencapai 197 juta poundsterling di antaranya sebagai hasil pembeliam Sergio Aguero, Samir Nasri dan Gael Clichy.

Fakta inilah yang kemudian memunculkan isu kalau upaya MU mengajukan aturan baru ini semata demi menjegal langkah The Citizens mendominasi Liga Inggris. Beberapa pesaing MU, seperti Chelsea dan Liverpool sesungguhnya juga merugi musim lalu, namun jumlahnya tak serapa dibanding City yakni masing-masing hanya 69 juta poundsterling dan 49 juta poundsterling.

Meski tercium upaya menjegal City di balik pengajuan proposal tersebut, namun ide yang dilontarkan MU diyakini banyak dapat dukungan. Salah satunya dari Presiden Wigan Athletic, Dave Whelan.

"Proposal ini datang dari Manchester United — saya pikir City akan terkejut dengannya — tapi saya pikir seharusnya memang ada pengaturan pengeluaran. Beberapa klub melakukan pembelian di luar kemampuan mereka dan kemudian terlibat dalam masalah, lihat saja Portsmouth. Sesuatu harus dilakukan jadi kami mendukung pembatasan ini," sahut Whelan.

Sementara itu, Presiden Eksekutif MU, David Gill, yakin kalau upaya mengetatkan keuangan klub-klub di Liga Inggris bakal dapat dukungan dari banyak pihak.

"Kami sudah memiliki regulasi soal finansial di (Divisi) Championship dan Liga Champions, jadi kami harus melakukannya," sahut Gill.

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FFP: UEFA 'could suspend players'
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UEFA will impose Financial Fair Play (FFP) sanctions including withholding TV money and suspending players from clubs failing to comply with the regulations, a source has told ESPN.


The news came as UEFA announced that 23 clubs involved in its 2012-13 competitions have had prize money withheld as financial investigations are carried out.


The source said the developments showed that the UEFA president Michel Platini was "doing exactly what he told us all he would do".

UEFA president Michel Platini is determined to ensure Financial Fair Play regulations are observed

"Firstly it is withholding prize money, next it will withholding TV money, then it will be suspensions of players bought in the transfer window going back a year," the source said. "Finally, UEFA will implement even sterner punishments, perhaps culminating in elimination from the European competitions for clubs who make losses [beyond the specified limits]."

On Tuesday morning, European football's governing body said on its website that, as part of the first phase of FFP requirements, clubs taking part in this season's UEFA competitions had to provide information "regarding the status of any overdue payables as at 30 June 2012".

Its Club Financial Control (CFC) investigatory body met last month and identified 23 cases in which a club owed "important overdue payables" to other clubs, employees, or tax or other authorities.

The investigations will continue and the clubs have been asked to provide updated information by September 30. The withholding of prize money will remain in force until all the "overdue payables" identified by investigators have been paid or until a further decision by the CFC.

The CFC, which is chaired by Jean-Luc Dehaene, a former prime minister of Belgium, said on the UEFA website that the following 23 clubs were under investigation:

FK Borac Banja Luka (Bosnia and Herzegovina)
FK Sarajevo (Bosnia and Herzegovina)
FK Zeljeznicar (Bosnia and Herzegovina)
PFC CSKA Sofia (Bulgaria)
HNK Hajduk Split (Croatia)
NK Osijek (Croatia)
Atletico Madrid (Spain)
Malaga (Spain)
Maccabi Netanya (Israel)
FK Shkendija 79 (Macedonia)
Floriana FC (Malta)
FK Buducnost Podgorica (Montenegro)
FK Rudar Pjevlja (Montenegro)
Ruch Chorzow (Poland)
Sporting Clube de Portugal (Portugal)
Dinamo Bucharest (Romania)
FC Rapid Bucharest (Romania)
FC Vaslui (Romania)
Rubin Kazan (Russia)
FK Partizan (Serbia)
FK Vojvodina (Serbia)
Eskisehirspor (Turkey)
Fenerbahce (Turkey)

No English clubs are subject to the investigation. Premier League clubs have already debated the implementation of their own version of FFP, proposing to effectively introduce a cap on wages.

Talks to determine the format are scheduled for this month, and the source added: "It will be up to the clubs to decide how it will work and the sanctions that should be imposed. English football has seven clubs in Europe, but the Premier League clubs want their own FFP rules, and that looks like happening."

One Premier League chief executive told ESPN clubs were not prepared to allow players and agents to seek huge wage hikes on the back of the billions coming into the game with a big increase in TV cash next season.

At a meeting last Thursday, chairmen and chief executives agreed to move forward the plan to introduce a form of salary capping. Clubs have been divided into North and South groups to discuss the best ways to introduce restrictions on the amount spent on players, mangers and coaching staff.

The chief executive said: "We all agreed that we have a windfall coming into the game in a year's time, and we don't want to give it away to one part of the industry. The talent is most important - we also all agree on that - but that doesn't mean there can't be any limits on how much is spent on players and their agents.

"We need a formula on how to make it work - to find a middle ground, a sensible solution. There is still some way to go - West Ham would like to cap salaries, while Manchester City wouldn't - but most clubs are agreed that there needs to be a common sense restriction on spending on players' salaries."
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