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Old 06-03-2014, 06:09 AM   #61
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Ane punya teman bule bahkan gak tau istilah masuk angin di barat sana apa. Setelah cari dikamus juga gak ada, dengan kata lain Moyes mungkin Moyes gak peduli kalau ada yang "masuk angin"

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Sekalian tanyain kerokan bahasa inggris-nya apa. Kan obat masuk angin paling populer kan kerokan.
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Old 06-03-2014, 09:25 AM   #62
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Pointnya paparin dulu pola latihannya baru di bahas itu salah atau tidak lalu apakah itu yg menyebabkan daftar cidera bertambah
Ada pengaruhnya apa enggak antara pola latihan sama cidera pemain, atau emang jadwal yg padat, atau hal2 lain di luar teknis yg mempengaruhi
klo cuma liat dari histtory cidera apanya yg mw diperdebatkan






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Kayanya yang satu itu sulit di cari source-nya, karena latihan klub gak boleh diliput kecuali latihan terbuka kan? Mungkin bisa dapat sedikit gambaran dari mereka- mereka yang ikutan tour 2013, yang nongkrong di tempat latihan sampe bertahan di stadion hingga akhir. Cak Guffi kalo gak salah pernah posting itu di thread tour? CIIMW.






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Soal cedera, zaman Fergie kita sering cedera berjamaah, Carrick yg sampe jadi bek gara2 pemain belakang cedera semua, ato fergie juga pernah memainkan 7 bek sekaligus ( bukan di posisinya) karena faktor pemain di posisi itu cedera juga..
Jadi bukan zaman Moyes aja tapi zaman Fergie juga banyak dan sering tu yg cedera


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Yup seperti yg om Hendy bilang paparin dulu pola latihan baru bisa ngejudge klo latihan penyebab nya..
Misal nya Persie kena tekel keras pemain lawan trus cedera 2 minggu apa bisa dibilang karena pola latihan yg salah jga ?
Ato Rooney yg paha nya koyak kena sepatu lawan ato kepala nya sobek karena Jones akibat nya absen apa itu karena kesalahan pola latihan juga ?

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Old 06-03-2014, 09:34 AM   #63
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Sekalian tanyain kerokan bahasa inggris-nya apa. Kan obat masuk angin paling populer kan kerokan.
bahasa inggrisnya sih ane ga tau om

tapi klo istilah medis nya klo ga salah namanya itu terapi guarsa...
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Old 08-03-2014, 02:34 PM   #64
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Gaya melatih Moyes lebih ke fisik? Klo kata banyak pihak ya gitu dech. Mo ditolak? Saya juga nggak tau, tapi klo kata yang tau emang gaya latihnya keras.

Moyes sebagai pelatih PROFESIONAL harusnya ngerti standar latihan pemaen2nya. Hanya sebagai MANUSIA biasa Moyes juga butuh waktu mengenal timnya. Data2 kan ada, kok repot. Ya masak sesimpel itu. Ya mungkin trial and error Saat ini dah mulai pulih semua moga kedepannya bisa lebih baik.

Patut diingat yang tumbang bukan hanya RvP! Patut diingat juga gimana catatan cedera pemaen2 United sebelum Moyes. Apakah baru cedera pasca Moyes datang atau udah sering cedera sebelum Moyes datang. Untuk RvP emang bisa bebas cedera pas jaman Fergie, tapi jaman Wenger? Evans, Jones, Rafael, Nani, Carrick dan Young bukan orang2 yang secara fisik kuat.
nah itu khan sudah ada catatan medis klo pemain2 itu gampang cedera bahkan di saat pola pelatihan SAF yg porsi latihannya lebih banyak dihabiskan utk memperbaiki skill. kenapa kita ga belajar? contoh evans yg jarang cedera tba2 absen lama sekali, carrick juga sama (carrik jarang cedera lho d era SAF), makanya ane bilang jangan cma d lihat RvP yg memang pnya rekor jelek soal cedera tapi juga liat pemain2 yg di era SAF jarang cedera tiba2 rontok d musim ini...
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Skalian aja ambil contoh Nani yang uda 4 bulan gak main gara-gara cedera hamstring. Hamstring sih tapi uda kaya patah kaki harus absen lama.
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Old 08-03-2014, 07:30 PM   #66
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nah itu khan sudah ada catatan medis klo pemain2 itu gampang cedera bahkan di saat pola pelatihan SAF yg porsi latihannya lebih banyak dihabiskan utk memperbaiki skill. kenapa kita ga belajar? contoh evans yg jarang cedera tba2 absen lama sekali, carrick juga sama (carrik jarang cedera lho d era SAF), makanya ane bilang jangan cma d lihat RvP yg memang pnya rekor jelek soal cedera tapi juga liat pemain2 yg di era SAF jarang cedera tiba2 rontok d musim ini...
Evans jarang cedera? Beneran nih ngomong? Dia dah hampir bisa dilabeli pemaen kaca. Jarang cedera? Carrick jarang cedera? Dia jarang cedera tapi cukup ringkih. Jadi, coba cek dl lagi ya.

Memperbaiki skill? emang Bebe. Rasanya porsi meningkatkan skill ya ada tapi hanya bagian dari banyak latihan yang sehari (aku yakin) waktunya nggak lama.

Klo ada catatan medis kenapa Fergie nggak lakuin juga? Kenapa Fergie nggak belajar?
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Pola latihan van gaal malah lebih banyak yg cedera, berarti masalah dari pemain ato pola latihan dari pelatih..
Ato pelatih nya rahmad darmawan aja dijamin gak bakal ada pemain yg cedera gara2 latihan secara capek dikit boleh istirahat ntr klo ada pemain lain yg komplain, tampol2 aja mereka :p
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Pola latihan van gaal malah lebih banyak yg cedera, berarti masalah dari pemain ato pola latihan dari pelatih..
Ato pelatih nya rahmad darmawan aja dijamin gak bakal ada pemain yg cedera gara2 latihan secara capek dikit boleh istirahat ntr klo ada pemain lain yg komplain, tampol2 aja mereka :p
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Former Manchester United assistant manager Mike Phelan says the new approach to fitness under Louis van Gaal could be the reason for the club's injury crisis.

United have suffered 43 injuries in five months, and Phelan has questioned the change in role for fitness coach Tony Strudwick.

He said: "They've brought in new people with a different way of doing things.
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The 52-year-old served on Sir Alex Ferguson's coaching staff for five years, winning five Premier League titles at United as player and assistant manager.

Now first-team coach at Norwich City, he has suggested the intensity of Van Gaal's training regime may have exacerbated an injury crisis that has seen players such as Michael Carrick, Phil Jones, Rafael and Radamel Falcao face lengthy spells out.

Phelan told the International Business Times: "The intensity of training may be one thing - it may be too intense, or not intense enough - but obviously slight changes have been made with the present way of doing things.

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