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Penjelasan Moyes tentang kebijakan peminjaman pemaen muda. Idealnya emang tim reserve maen di divisi bawah.

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Penjelasan Moyes tentang kebijakan peminjaman pemaen muda. Idealnya emang tim reserve maen di divisi bawah.

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Fe...oan-exits.aspx
Baru mo dipindah uda dipindah duluan.

Mengutip kata Moyes:

"Actually, the games programme is probably not the best in this country. The difference between an Under-21 game and a Premier League game is so big, what tends to happen is these boys like to get some games and ask: 'Can we go on loan?'

Seandainya tim Inggris termasuk United ada United B-nya kaya Madrid, Barca pasti produksi pemain muda United nanti akan lebih baik lagi.
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Ada artikel bagus nih. Bisa menambah wawasan...Kredit untuk mrmujac dan akun twitter . Yang sering maen di redcafe mungkin tau gimana reputasi mrmujac ini.

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Is there a Manchester United youth strategy?
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A Manchester United youth side featuring Gary Neville Paul Scholes, Nicky Butt and David Beckham

I have worked in multi-national organisations, and specifically Human Resources for over thirty years and in my role as a consultant I help businesses with performance and talent management systems.

Organisations have thousands of employees and they are trying to maximise performance from each one, attract new talent into the business while rewarding and retaining their top performers.

Each employee is assessed and measured in three critical areas…current performance, current behaviours/motivation and finally future potential. Often there is difficulty with assessing these areas as it’s virtually impossible to watch someone’s performance closely every day they come to work. As a consequence, a range of tactics and mechanisms are employed to help.

These assessments are then integrated into a ‘talent map’ and strategies are developed for certain key groups but more importantly for each individual. For those employees who are deemed to be ‘high potential’, the development plans could include a range of different activities ranging from additional training, coaching/mentoring, job placements, lateral role movements, secondments and so on.

Each employee has ongoing discussions with their manager about their career and it’s very transparent. People move around the organisation in a very proactive, planned methodology.

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Ada thread menarik di redcafe...

Would Pogba have developed had he stayed back?

Mbaca thread itu jadi inget dengan thread Loan or Rotting in Reserves?. Rasanya thread ini relevan dengan kondisi saat ini.

Semua sudah tau, eks-pemain akademi United yang kabur secara gratis (atau kompensasi 800rb pound) sebelum benar2 mentas dari reserve di era Fergie sekarang kembali ke United dengan rekor dunia senilai 89jt pound blom termasuk fee agen. Lebih dari 100x lipat. Pertanyaannya, seandainya Pogba masih bertahan di United apakah dia akan mencapai level yang sama dengan dia saat ini? Klo redcafe sih mayoritas bilang tidak. Bagaimana dengan teman-teman di forum ini?

Lain Pogba lain juga Januzaj. Januzaj akhirnya dipinjamkan setelah 2 musim nggak jelas pasca musim debutnya yang brilian. Di thread lain aku bilang di musim 13/14 dia ibarat lari tapi di 14/15 dan 15/16 dia ibarat merangkak. Bisa dibilang nggak ada perkembangan selama 2 musim. Kini dia dipinjamkan buat mencari kesempatan bermain lebih besar dan aku setuju 100% dengan keputusan itu. Dia butuh rutin main untuk berkembang.

Klo melihat klub-klub besar eropa sih peminjaman pemain muda berbakat sih udah biasa. Malah ada yang "dipinjamkan" melalui penjualan dengan klausul buy back. Dijual dan saat pemain itu berkembang dia akan dibeli lagi. Pemain seperti Morata dan Denis Suarez melalui fase penjualan dengan buy back. Intinya mereka dilepas buat mendapat pengalaman bermain di luar.

Jadi pertanyaannya ada 2. Apakah Pogba bisa mencapai level saat ini bila dulu dia bertahan di United? Kemudian, Loan or Rotting in Reserves?

Klo aku sih Pogba mungkin bisa mencapai level saat ini tapi tidak secepat ini. Dan dipinjamkan atay dibiarkan di reserve? Aku pilih dipinjamkan atau klo perlu dijual dengan opsi buy back. Tapi klo dipinjamkan musti cari klub yang tepat. Jangan meniru Januzaj.

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Loan or Rotting in Reserves?

Kalau di lihat dr United era saf mayoritas pemain akademi lebih banyak masuk reserve dan beri kesempatan secara berkala. Sekarang? Loan n opsi "buy back" menariknya banyak jadi pilihan untuk mengembangkan skill pemain muda, jadi bisa jadi pembuktian diri ke club utama yg pastinya selalu memantau perkembangan.

Kalau perihal Pogba, kasusnya kurang lebih sama dg Lukaku, KdB yah?
Kurang di beri kesempatan/tidak di percaya manajer, tapi mampu menjawab dg pembuktian performa saat merasa "di kecilkan" oleh club lama.
Jadi, banyak yg blg Pogba di juve kurang lebih sama aja kyk sekolah. Gmn tidak? Pada jamannya dia sudah berlatih bersama pemain sekelas Pirlo, Vidal dan mampu memjawab ekspektasi saat para seniornya hengkang dan mampu menggantikan.
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Manchester United scour Europe for feeder club as Red Devils bid to make young guns great

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...feeder-9485028

Familiar dengan istilah feeder club? Buat yg sering main FM pasti familiar. Kabarnya United sedang mempertimbangkan mencari feeder club. Bukan sekedar feeder klub biasa tapi klub itu akan dibeli atau mayoritas dimiliki. Tujuannya untuk menjamin si pemain yang dipinjamkan bakal dapat kesempatan bermain.

Jaminan bermain buat si pemain tidak di dapat dengan sistem peminjaman saat ini. Pelatih klub peminjam nggak peduli dengan nasib pemain yg dipinjam, yg mereka pedulikan gimana mereka bisa sukses. Wajar sih tapi itu jadi masalah buat United. BoJack kini dan Januzaj musim lalu jadi contoh. Mereka hanya dapat kesempatan main minim padahal tujuan mereka dipinjamkan agar dapat menit bermain banyak. Klo si klub dimiliki United maka United bisa menekan si pelatih buat lebih memberi porsi bermain lebih banyak buat si pemain plus menyesuaikan gaya main mereka dengan keinginan United. Untungnya dobel, pemain dapat menit bermain sambil terus membiasakan dengan gaya main yg diharapkan staf pelatih di United.

Menurutku ide yg bagus. Tapi entah bisa apa nggak. Klub mana yg rela menjual identitasnya demi kepentingan United? Blom lagi klo punya fan fanatik.
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Man Utd transfer news continues with Burnley defender Michael Keane among Jose Mourinho's summer targets.
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Should Michael Keane return to Manchester United this summer, it will be touted as another expensive mistake from the Old Trafford hierarchy.

The defender would cost United in the region of £20m, after being sold by Louis van Gaal for a fraction of the price.

It's unfortunate timing, 12 months after Paul Pogba returned home.

But Keane's situation is very different from his former FA Youth Cup-winning teammate, and is indicative of a potential shift in the way clubs develop young players.

The centre back was not United quality when he departed in 2015, which is why he was available to a Championship club for £2m.

Regular first team football in the intervening two and a half years is what has made Keane one of the Premier League's hottest central defenders this summer.

United did insert a 25% sell on clause into the Keane transfer, meaning they get a cheaper deal than their rivals would.

When offloading 22-year-old Memphis Depay, the club took it one step further and insisted on a buyback clause - and it is unlikely to be the last time that tactic is used.

There is an acceptance that how the English system develops young players is currently inadequate. Academy director Nicky Butt recently criticised the Premier League 2, while the u18 system is set to return to its previous format and thereby reduce the number of league fixtures against top academies.

Loans are currently the only option available, but the list of players who have floundered at a succession of temporary homes is endless - and far from limited to United.

Jesse Lingard is the most recent success from that route, but it took him four loans in as many years before making the breakthrough at Old Trafford.

It is increasingly difficult to hand promising youngsters the minutes they need, especially when keeping them at their parent club condemns them to an inadequate u23 fixture list in search of more regular game time.

Selling, but including a buyback clause, could be a solution that clubs increasingly turn to. By setting it at a higher figure than the selling fee, but lower than the player would realistically fetch on the open market should he fulfil his potential, both clubs benefit.

And promising youngsters like Keane, who are progressing but not yet at a high level, can kick start their career more successfully.

United would merely be following in the footsteps of the big La Liga clubs, who have exercised that option for years.

Real Madrid re-signed Alvaro Morata last summer from Juventus for a fraction of the price he would have fetched without the clause. United have been linked with the striker, who would likely cost at least double what the Spanish side paid a year ago.

Daniel Carvajal was sold for €5m, played a season for Bayer Leverkusen, and then returned to Madrid after becoming one of the best right backs in the Bundesliga.

Barcelona recently exercised a buyback clause for Denis Suarez after 12 months at Villarreal.

The line-up against Crystal Palace proved that United's academy continues to spawn talented players, but all are likely to want greater exposure to first team football next season. United cannot satisfy them all - especially after another summer of reinforcement.

But should Keane and Chelsea target Romelu Lukaku return to their former clubs this summer, such moves may prove far from exceptional in the windows to come.
Ide yang bagus, jual dengan opsi buy back. Meski telat melakukan ini bila dibandingkan klub seperti Madrid dan Barca tapi setidaknya akan segera dilakukan. Selain menguntungkan secara finansial juga bagus buat perkembangan pemain muda.
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Seandainya tim Inggris termasuk United ada United B-nya kaya Madrid, Barca pasti produksi pemain muda United nanti akan lebih baik lagi.
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