Manchester United under Louis van Gaal

[J. A. Adji]

Originally Posted by theater of dream

Kebijakan transfer, skema permainan dan hasil pertandingan..
Hmm lvg agak membingungkan

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Membingungkn tp hasil akhir msh bs diterima kn?

[troy andreas]

Originally Posted by fredrian.seven

Originally Posted by Rean

dengan 29 pemain ini SAF bisa juara.. dan sekarang LvG menyisakan 9 pemain plus belasan pemain mahal.. payah klo ga bisa juara...

2 rekrutan Moyes masih andalan juga tuh.

Musim lalu rekrut : Herrera, Shaw, Rojo, Blind, Di Maria, Falcao (juga Fuso Mensah).

Musim ini rekrut : Depay, Darmian, Schneiderlin, Schweini, Romero & Martial.

Total harga sudah sangat fantastis, di atas kertas pemain- pemain diatas juga punya kualitas. Keterlaluan mmg kalau ga bisa juara minimal di 1 kompetisi.

Originally Posted by Victory

sebenarnya agak dengan kata2 'filosofi' sih

tp apa mau dikata, itulah yang sepertinya menjadi kata kunci pemain akan sukses di bawah asuhan LvG atau tidak.

Filosofi yang begitu 'sempurna' membuat Young dan Valencia sperti pesaing Ballon D'or dan Di Maria menjadi pemain sekelas Indonesian Super League.

Filosofi mempertahankan bola sambil mencari ruang yang terbuka (akhirnya) mudah ditebak lawan dan semakin mudah dimatikan lawan, yaitu parkir bus. Stelah mentok, akhirnya filosofi 'sempurna' itu diubah menjadi long ball FC dengan sasaran utama si Marwan. Perfect. Ga beda dengan strategi2 pendahulunya

Hehe, stuju bro. Memang agak gemes juga lihat ada beberapa pemain yang seharusnya bagus ehh malah di parkir dan akhirnya pergi atau malah benar turun performanya. Sempat ngeluh United ga punya winger berkelas, ehh pas ADM7 datang malah lebih pilih AY18 & AV25
Malah musim ini makin sadis dengan bilang Januzaj not for sale ehhhh ternyata just for loan. Lepas 3 striker pengalaman, malah sisakan kapten yang entah kapan bisa temukan insting predatornya lalu rekrut yang katanya wonderkid dari liga jauh dibawah strata EPL dan sisakan JW19 yang masih terus di simpan.

Belum lagi Blind yang masih terus di "paksa" main di posisi CB. Semoga pelajaran berharga dari Mr. Monk bisa buat beliau merevisi sedikit philosphy-nya.

[theater of dream]

Originally Posted by J. A. Adji

Membingungkn tp hasil akhir msh bs diterima kn?

Bisa diterima karena gw bukan tipikal manager must out, tapi tetap aja tidak memuaskan

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[stamansa]

Filosofi vs Genius. Pelatih pilihan SAF tidak mampu meneruskan kejayaan United di musim pertama sekaligus musim terakhirnya. Dengan belanja yg sangat minim & kurang respectnya pemain kepadanya, United hanya mampu finis di peringkat 7 saat itu.
Tak lama kemudian masuk mner belanda LvG dengan pembelian yg fantastis. Membawa United di peringkat 4 di musim pertamanya. Di musim keduanya dengan belanja yg tidak kalah hebat apakah akan berhasil?

[J. A. Adji]

Originally Posted by theater of dream

Bisa diterima karena gw bukan tipikal manager must out, tapi tetap aja tidak memuaskan

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Ya mau siapa pun manajernya MU pnya standard hasil. Klo hasil gk sesuai standard, masa mau ditahan. Mslh utk mencapai hasil akhir proses n gayanya kurang memuaskan itu urusan terakhir.

Ini dh tahun millenium... Tim yg punya pola pikir manager gk perlu kehilangan pekerjaan walau hasil gk sesuai standard hnya tim medioker. Tim besar mah bergerak cepat hasil gk sesuai standard ada bnyk orang lain bs gantiin.

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Manchester United fan Rory McIlroy takes a swing at Louis van Gaal by claiming: 'I'm not convinced he is the right man to lead us'

* World No 2 golfer Rory McIlroy is a huge Manchester United supporter
* Speaking at a recent tournament, he gave his thoughts on Louis van Gaal
* McIlroy says he is not convinced Van Gaal is the right man to lead United
* United spent £108million on new signings and are currently fifth

Louis van Gaal might not be the right man to lead Manchester United, according to four-time major-winning golfer Rory McIlroy.

The Northern Irishman is a big Red Devils fan, but after a huge summer of spending - in which the club paid out £108million on new signings - he admits to not being sold on the manager.

Speaking to Sky Sports at the Deutsche Bank Championship, McIlroy said: 'I think the new signings will be good in time, but I'm not convinced LVG is the right man to lead us.'


World No 2 golfer McIlroy poses in a Manchester United shirt, and he hopes they will challenge for the title

'I don't know, it's a hard one. Everyone is dropping points, and it looks like City might run away with the league.

'At least we're back in Europe, so that's a good thing.'

United started the season well, with two successive 1-0 wins, but have since dropped points, drawing with Newcastle before falling to a 2-1 defeat by Swansea.

Perhaps the most frustrating factor of the season so far is a lack of goals, with Van Gaal's men only scoring three times in their four Premier League matches.

Wayne Rooney has not scored a top flight goal since April 4, but did manage to equal Sir Bobby Charlton's all-time England goalscoring record while on international duty this week.

McIlroy hopes the captain's renewed form with his country can go on to kick-start his United season, too.

He added: 'Rooney did well for England at the weekend, so hopefully that will give him confidence when he returns to domestic football.

'A top-four finish is obviously likely, and hopefully we'll challenge for the title, but we'll see.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3226153/Manchester-United-fan-Rory-McIlroy-takes-swing-Louis-van-Gaal-claiming-m-not-convinced-right-man-lead-us.html

[fredrian.seven]

Manchester United stars in Louis van Gaal training row
Matt Dickinson, James Ducker

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/football/article4552369.ece

A delegation of senior Manchester United players has confronted Louis van Gaal with concerns over his rigid training. Unhappy at what they see as stifling methods, the players asked the manager to be allowed to express themselves more freely.

The revelation comes after a stuttering start to the domestic campaign, in which United have scored three goals in four matches in the Barclays Premier League, and fans are demanding more emphasis on attacking adventure.

Supporters will hope that Anthony Martial can provide that, but Van Gaal — who admitted last night that the projected £58.8 million fee United have agreed to pay Monaco for the teenage France striker is “ridiculous” — suggested that his successor would be the main beneficiary of the signing.

The concerns of fans over United’s style of play have been shared by the players. After discussions inside the dressing room, senior figures approached Van Gaal to raise complaints about a lack of creativity. They feel that training orders have become so inflexible that they are hampering performances.

The confrontation, several weeks ago, did not prompt any immediate change from the manager and United prepare to face Liverpool on Saturday on the back of a limp defeat by Swansea City before the international break.

Van Gaal’s decision to sign the unproven Martial as support for Wayne Rooney will bring even more scrutiny to an attack that traditionally has been regarded as one of the club’s greatest strengths.

With United fifth in the table, ahead of Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea but five points behind Manchester City, the leaders, the Dutchman insists that it has been a solid start to the campaign, with better to come as Memphis Depay, Martial and other summer signings fit in. Van Gaal said last night that he would be happy with a top-three finish this season.

The concern of the players is less to do with manpower, or squad strength, after a massive gross outlay under Van Gaal that is now close to £300 million, than the inflexibility of his methods. He has always been a very exact, demanding coach — and, at times, a fierce one — but players reared under Sir Alex Ferguson are still finding it hard to adjust, even into his second season.

Some, such as Chris Smalling, have clearly benefited, but there is a wider belief in the dressing room that Van Gaal would get much more from his players by allowing them to be more expressive. Van Gaal said last night that the success of his training methods was the reason why United have not suffered any injuries this season compared to the glut they encountered when he joined 14 months ago.

The manager must also patch up his relationship with David De Gea, who, despite being exiled for the opening six matches, could start against Liverpool after his collapsed move to Real Madrid. The pair were due to hold talks yesterday.

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Wow... beneran kah?

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Manchester United performance analyst Max Reckers is one of the main reasons behind player unhappiness

* Manchester United's first-team stars are unhappy with Max Reckers
* Performance analyst Reckers often focuses on the players' weaknesses
* Reckers hardly mentions the strengths of displays in training and matches

He is the IT expert Louis van Gaal has described as 'like my son', but the elevation of Max Reckers would appear to be causing friction within the Manchester United family.

As reported on Thursday, senior duo Wayne Rooney and Michael Carrick voiced their concerns to their Dutch manager over his training methods.

A large part of their frustration is thought to be down to the amount of time spent in meetings pouring over video analysis.


Max Reckers conducts research before passing on information to Louis van Gaal and his coaching staff

Reckers, who arrived last summer, is the club's performance analyst and the increasing importance placed on his role is thought to have caused some irritation.

A perceived tendency to concentrate on weaknesses rather than strengths is not thought to have helped matters along with forensic examinations of each player's positioning.

In an earlier interview, Van Gaal heaped praise on his compatriot.

'I can't forget my computer guru,' he said. 'It's unbelievable because he's not only my computer guru, he's like my son. But he's not called Van Gaal, his name is Max Reckers and he is a performance analyst.

'He collects all the data that we need. We have a lot of data because at Manchester United there was already a philosophy that you have to measure everything and it's called the sport science department. It's unbelievable what kind of data they have and I'm very pleased that kind of support is already arranged in Manchester.

'They have supported us very well, not only in sport science but also the medical department and the kit men. It's unbelievable what organisation you have to make for such a big group at such a big club.'


Reckers analyses players' performances in training and matches - but mainly picks out the bad points

On United's website, Reckers describes his role as trying to 'come closer to the look and feel of the player ... by analysing the game from the player’s viewpoint'.

'We keep innovating,' he adds. 'Meaning that we demand that the players improve themselves every day and the same goes for the staff.

'We are always looking for new technologies and new ways to improve player performance. For us, it’s not doing science or having the technology; it’s just wanting to improve as a group.'

No changes are thought to have been made to Van Gaal's methods since captain Rooney and vice captain Carrick raised the issues.

Training sessions that mirror kick-off times, a Van Gaal introduction, are also thought to have been met with dismay by some squad members who have young children.

United, who take on Liverpool in the late kick-off at Old Trafford on Saturday, are currently in sixth place having scored three goals in their first four matches. They have conceded twice.


The Old Trafford boss has not adjusted his approach so far, despite complaints from his senior players

PARTING SHOTS - HOW LVG HAS FALLEN OUT WITH DEPARTING PLAYERS

FOUR of Manchester United’s high-profile departures this summer left Old Trafford with digs at the Dutchman...

Robin van Persie

'When he took over Holland he said to me: "You’re the No 3 striker."

'I thought: "O.K...", but I fought and became the No 1 and his captain. But when I came back from injury at United, it wasn’t an honest battle any more. Fighting to get back in the team wasn’t given to me as an option.'

Javier Hernandez

'I want to go back to feeling important and happy. I want to find happiness. Bayer Leverkusen made me feel important and loved and coming here was not a difficult decision to make.

'They made me feel wanted.'

Rafael

'I know that he didn’t like me but if that’s because I’m Brazilian, I don’t know. I was going well, then Ferguson left. That change was fatal for me.'

Angel di Maria

'Van Gaal has his philosophy, and that is one of the things that made me want to leave. It is difficult to adapt to Van Gaal. I had a couple of rows with him.'

www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3229640/Manchester-United-performance-analyst-Max-Reckers-one-main-reasons-player-unhappiness.html

[troy andreas]

Selama performa tak kunjung membaik, kritik akan terus datang. LvG vs Media Inggris.

Yang paling aneh di musim ini adalah opsi pilihan striker, hanya ada 3 pemain yang natural bermain di posisi itu namun dengan perbedaan umur & pengalaman yang sangat jauh, 2 pemain masih berumur 19thn satu lagi sudah 29 tahun tapi lagi struggle utk kembali ke performa terbaiknya. Striker dadakan si winger yang masih 21 tahun juga si jangkung yang jago duel bola atas. 3 gol di 4 match ga heran selama strategi yang dimainkan di setiap match hampir sama karena itu jelas bisa berakibat semua lawan pakai strategi yang dimainkan Swansea, hasilnya? bisa tebak sendiri.

Belum lagi penilaian pemain berdasar statistik komputer yang dibahas diatas. Ahh mungkin ini perasaan yang dirasakan fans Barca & Munchen dulu. Philosophy?

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Manchester United players irked by Louis van Gaal's treatment towards Victor Valdes and Rafael as unrest grips Old Trafford

* Man United's first team stars are unhappy with Louis van Gaal's methods
* Wayne Rooney and Michael Carrick have aired gripes with Van Gaal
* Players are upset with the way Victor Valdes and Rafael have been treated

It was Louis van Gaal’s obsession with possession that was the breaking point. Wayne Rooney and Michael Carrick had to state their case.

Manchester United had beaten Tottenham at Old Trafford the day before but the atmosphere at the Carrington training complex afterwards was not one of euphoria, more of despair.

Respect for the hardline Dutch coach with the Iron Tulip moniker has never been in question but the regimented system Van Gaal had installed was taking its toll.


Manchester United's first team stars are disappointed with the way Louis van Gaal treated Victor Valdes and former right back Rafael da Silva

Players groaned at the monotony of training, the team meetings, unit meetings for the defence, midfield and attack — oh, and the debriefs.

The blunt, often critical delivery of video analyst Max Reckers and the abrasive manner in which Victor Valdes and Rafael da Silva were dispatched from the first team dressing room.

Rooney and Carrick, as captain and vice-captain, are ‘afforded special privileges’ says Van Gaal, and they plucked up the courage to air the team’s views. There was no challenge of authority, merely a plea to hear their case. Van Gaal took it on board but little has changed.

As the mercurial Brian Clough famously mused ‘we talk about it for 20 minutes then we decide I was right’.

Former Manchester United defender Rio Ferdinand is damning in his assessment. ‘It’s not a type of football I enjoy watching,’ he said. ‘It’s methodical and really slow going side to side.’

Methodical is the operative view shared by several of United’s players; jaded by repetitive training drills and the constant dissection of their every move.


Players are said to be unhappy with Van Gaal's methods, and are not currently enjoying their football

The cavalier spirit of Sir Alex Ferguson’s era may be a distant memory but the attention to detail is essential to Van Gaal’s famed philosophy.

Video analyst Reckers enjoys a central role yet his input is not always enjoyed by the players. A perceived tendency to concentrate on weaknesses rather than strengths is not thought to have helped matters, along with forensic examinations of each player’s positioning.

As you would expect, Van Gaal has unswerving faith in his compatriot, a former hockey player.

‘It’s unbelievable because he’s not only my computer guru, he’s like my son,’ said Van Gaal. ‘But he’s not called Van Gaal, his name is Max Reckers and he is a performance analyst.

'He collects all the data that we need. We have a lot of data because at Manchester United there was already a philosophy that you have to measure everything and it’s called the sport science department. It’s unbelievable what organisation you have to make for such a big group at such a big club.’

That organisation and regimented tone has been set for some time: train, eat, sleep, repeat. In his defence, Van Gaal protected his players from an arduous summer tour across the USA last summer but made it clear they were there to work.

Training times were adjusted to coincide with the kick-off of their next match. On Wednesday this week, players returned from international duty but had a light session at 5.30pm, with Saturday's teatime kick-off against Liverpool in mind.

That is not unwelcome for United’s players, their concern is a lack of enjoyment and freedom to be more expressive.

As Ferdinand observed: ‘You associate Manchester United with pace and power, explosive fantasy in the final third, but that’s not the way it is now.

‘Manchester United fans are having to re-educate themselves. You’re not going to see what you saw for the last 25 years. Van Gaal has got a clear idea of how he wants the team to play. It’s very methodical.’

The approach has so far failed to ignite United’s campaign and with just three goals scored — three fewer than bottom club Sunderland — in four games.

Addressing United executive club members on Wednesday evening, Van Gaal admitted he did not expect his side to win the title this season but that next year was realistic. To those who queried the recent capitulation to Swansea and worried about what could be expected against Liverpool, he stated: ‘Don’t worry, we will win.’

The Dutchman, it seems, possesses no doubt about his methods. His players may beg to differ.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3229886/Manchester-United-players-irked-Louis-van-Gaal-s-treatment-Victor-Valdes-Rafael.html