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zudomiriku · 03-03-2016, 12:59 PM

Football's big wigs have been dreaming up a Euro Super League for years... but here's five reasons why it will not happen

* Representatives from England's 'big five' met at a hotel on Tuesday
* Man United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and City were all represented
* The International Champions Cup was discussed at the meeting
* Formats of European competitions were also said to be on the agenda

Senior representatives of England’s five ‘biggest’ clubs - Manchester United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester City - met at the Dorchester Hotel in London to discuss, among other things, the growing pre-season exhibition series known as the International Champions Cup (ICC).

The ICC is a money-maker for big clubs, staged in America, China, Australia and no doubt elsewhere in the future, where Europe’s elite play each other in front of big crowds for big paydays. This helps them ‘grow’ their ‘brand recognition’ under the direction (for profit) of the American organising company called Relevant Sports, founded by US billionaire Stephen Ross, owner of NFL franchise the Miami Dolphins.

As Arsenal admitted in a statement: ‘Discussions were primarily around the ICC and formats of European competitions that would complement the existing Premier League.’

Ed Woodward, the executive vice-chairman at Manchester United, was at the meeting between the top five Premier League clubs to discuss the International Champions Cup and potential changes to European football

It’s the latter half of that statement that is most interesting, namely ‘formats of European competitions.’

Why on earth would a US firm be involved in talking about reform of the Champions League, which is run by UEFA, with five English clubs?

The answer, certainly, is money. But nearly as certain is that it’s not about the realistic proposition that a US-based firm will start and fund a Champions League replacement, for reasons we’ll get onto shortly. Rather it’s a useful tool whereby a group of rich clubs, including but not only the Premier League ‘big five’, can put pressure on UEFA to give them even more money than they already receive from Europe.

We have been here before, most dramatically in 1997 and 1998 when a Milan-based company called Media Partners (MP) held detailed talks with major clubs about a proposed breakaway European Super League.

MP was fronted by a man called Rodolfo Hecht, who for many years had worked as a senior executive in the empire of Italian mogul Silvio Berlusconi, the former Italian Prime Minister who also happened to own Milan of Serie A.

I met Hecht in London in the summer of 1998 and he insisted that MP wasn’t just a Berlusconi ruse to force UEFA to make radical changes to the Champions League to give the big clubs - like Milan - a lot more cash.

But to cut a long story short, the MP saga that peaked that Autumn very much ended up with UEFA making radical changes to the Champions League to give the big clubs - like Milan - a lot more cash.

Manchester United, City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool met for secret talks at the five-star Dorchester Hotel

It was all about money, of course. It always is. The bottom line at that time was each of the clubs being enticed to back the MP breakaway were being promised £16.8m per season for their involvement. By contrast Manchester United, by far England’s biggest club financially at that point, were earning £6.5m per season or thereabouts from UEFA for being in the Champions League.

It is almost quaint now to recall the 16 ‘founder members’ being proposed by MP to form the upper of two 16-team divisions that would make up their Super League.

The 16 ‘giants’ of the day concerned were proposed to be: Arsenal, Manchester United, Liverpool, Juventus, Internazionale, Milan, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Borussia Dortmund, Ajax, Marseille, Paris St Germain, Benfica, Panathanaikos and Galatasaray.

Those clubs were guaranteed at least a three-year tenure in the league. The other division would begin with lesser lights including one other Premier League team, to be decided later.

Anyway, it didn’t happen, because the meetings and the noise in themselves had the same effect as thumbscrews on UEFA, who gave the ‘big’ countries more places in the Champions League, and the ‘big’ clubs more money.

To fast forward to today, you may not be surprised to learn that talks about the future of the Champions League are ongoing between UEFA and the ECA, the club of clubs where the giants have the loudest voices.

No doubt the big clubs want more tweaks (like ‘seeded’ places perhaps, to make sure they qualify each year), and more guaranteed games against fellow big clubs (another tweak to the format), and of course more money. And no doubt minds will be focused by the Relevant discussions.

Five reasons an actual ‘breakaway’ won’t happen any time soon

1: The clubs would effectively need to break away from UEFA, effectively killing it. At the very least UEFA would be massively diminished, and probably seek action against the national FAs of the rebel clubs, perhaps banning them from European Championship events. Imagine the outcry.

2: Such a Super League breakaway would need the sanction of FIFA, who dictate the global football calendar, and who in turn have the power to sanction national governing bodies for clubs’ behaviour. Theoretically most of Europe’s major nationals could ended up banned from the World Cup. Imagine the outcry.

3: There are binding TV deals in place until 2019 for the current CL format, agreed by everyone including all the clubs, their FAs, the ECA and the broadcasters. The ECA and UEFA have a memorandum of understanding for three years beyond that. In practical terms, doing anything to disrupt that becomes a legal nightmare.

4: Any new breakaway league has to be underpinned by huge amounts of cash - that is, after all, the point of it. That cash inevitably will come from broadcasters. Many of the same broadcasters who would be targeted to screen this new league already screen the current version. What are they going to do? Rip up deals they have now to pay more? Finance a rebel league and take the PR hit, while simultaneously having to charge consumers more to pay for it? That’s not going to happen.

5: There’s already a solution at hand, just as when MP came along. The current format will be tweaked by UEFA, again, to make the richest clubs a bit more likely to get entry each season, and make a bit more money each season in the process.

Last season the 32 clubs in the group stages of the CL onwards shared a pot a 1 billion euros (£782m) between them from UEFA central funds (before a ticket or pie was sold).

Of that sum, a little more than 60 per cent, or £470m, ended up in the coffers of the dozen highest-earning clubs: Juventus, Barcelona, PSG, Real Madrid, Monaco, Bayern Munich, Roma, Manchester City, Atletico Madrid, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool.

This season, the ‘top’ clubs (the ones talking about reforms to Relevant Sports in the lounges of five-star hotels around Europe), will be earning between 30 per cent and 100 per cent more anyway because of lucrative new TV deals in play for 2015 to 2018.

Why would they take a wrecking ball to UEFA, FIFA, the international calendar, the World Cup, and to relationships with broadcaster and fans when actually this very proposal is already applying the thumbscrews in Nyon?

They won’t.

They’ll squeeze out some more guarantees. They’ll squeeze out some more money. And in a few years’ time, we’ll be back again to the same again.

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eyeofday · 03-03-2016, 07:42 PM

Kurang begitu fasih bahasa inggris, cuma nangkap mau bikin liga champion tandingan ya?

Studi banding ke Indonesia kalo masalah tandingan

**penk22_** · 03-03-2016, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by eyeofday

Kurang begitu fasih bahasa inggris, cuma nangkap mau bikin liga champion tandingan ya?

Studi banding ke Indonesia kalo masalah tandingan

Yup bener om, kompetisi antar klub elit Eropa yang katanya diprakarsai United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, City. Tandingannya UCL, potensi keuntungannya lebih besar, dan diharapkan bisa mengurangi kerugian dalam hal keuangan jika sebuah tim gagal menembus kualifikasi Liga Champions.

eyeofday · 04-03-2016, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by penk22_

Yup bener om, kompetisi antar klub elit Eropa yang katanya diprakarsai United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, City. Tandingannya UCL, potensi keuntungannya lebih besar, dan diharapkan bisa mengurangi kerugian dalam hal keuangan jika sebuah tim gagal menembus kualifikasi Liga Champions.

Politik bisnis bau-baunya.
agak egois juga ya tim besar mau pertahankan kemapanan lewat bisnis, apa udah ga pede ya bersaing pemasukan lewat prestasi di lapangan.
Ngeri kali ngeliat pergerakan tim biasa menguasai liga hehe

Rean · 04-03-2016, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by eyeofday

Politik bisnis bau-baunya.
agak egois juga ya tim besar mau pertahankan kemapanan lewat bisnis, apa udah ga pede ya bersaing pemasukan lewat prestasi di lapangan.
Ngeri kali ngeliat pergerakan tim biasa menguasai liga hehe

khawatir leicester city yg mewakili inggris ke UCL

**penk22_** · 04-03-2016, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by eyeofday

Politik bisnis bau-baunya.
agak egois juga ya tim besar mau pertahankan kemapanan lewat bisnis, apa udah ga pede ya bersaing pemasukan lewat prestasi di lapangan.
Ngeri kali ngeliat pergerakan tim biasa menguasai liga hehe

Hahaha iya dah takut dengan tim2 kuda hitam di EPL yang mendobrak dominasi big 4, akhirnya dibuatlah liga Eropa sendiri..

**penk22_** · 06-03-2016, 01:21 AM

Van Gaal menolak upaya Euro Supee League dan lebih memilih untuk memperbaiki sistem di UCL

Manchester United boss Louis van Gaal says he is against European Super League and believes Champions League should be restricted to title winners

Manchester United manager Louis van Gaal is opposed to any notion of a European Super League of elite clubs, and believes that even the current Champions League should still be restricted to national champions.

United were one of the five clubs believed to have discussed the Super League proposals this week after executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward was pictured meeting with his counterparts from Manchester City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool at a London hotel.

But Van Gaal would prefer to go the other way and revert to the old European Cup format whereby only teams who win their national championship are eligible for the competition.

Even though United qualified for this season’s Champions League by finishing fourth – and may have to do so again after slipping to fifth – Van Gaal said: ‘Everybody knows when you follow my career that I am against the Super League and something like that.

‘Sport is to be the best. When the Champions League was existing I said it was rubbish because the first and second and third and fourth team played. The competition should be between champions, in my opinion. I said it 20 years ago and I say it now.

‘It is only commercial thinking. When you are thinking like a commercial dealer then of course you are right, but sport is to win not to be second or third.’

United have revived their hopes of a top-four finish by going level on points with fourth-placed City, and also have the possibility of qualifying for next season’s Champions League by winning the Europa League.

Van Gaal added: ‘It’s still our aim, but our aim is also to win a title and a title is winning the Europa League

‘Manchester United haven’t won the Europa League so it would be fantastic for the club and for the fans. A title is always more than fourth position.

‘But the Champions League is our aim and that is why the Europa League and fourth in the table are important.

‘Of course when you see that we close the gap a little bit then your belief shall rise. I am talking to my players about first believing in it. I believe it in t but the players have to believe in that and they now understand that you can believe in it.

But first we have to beat West Bromwich Albion on Sunday, and it shall not be easy.’

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Andi Istiabudi · 06-03-2016, 11:38 PM

Seingat saya ide konsep Super League ini pertama kali mengemuka sekitar tahun 1999 silam saat pemilik AC Milan, Silvio Berlusconi sempat mengusulkannya saat itu...

03-03-2016, 12:59 PM	#1
zudomiriku moderator Happy New Year 2023 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Kemang(gisan) Posts: 24,492 Thanks: 5,047 Thanked 1,785 Times in 921 Posts Mentioned: 274 Post(s)	Euro Super League Football's big wigs have been dreaming up a Euro Super League for years... but here's five reasons why it will not happen * Representatives from England's 'big five' met at a hotel on Tuesday * Man United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and City were all represented * The International Champions Cup was discussed at the meeting * Formats of European competitions were also said to be on the agenda Senior representatives of England’s five ‘biggest’ clubs - Manchester United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester City - met at the Dorchester Hotel in London to discuss, among other things, the growing pre-season exhibition series known as the International Champions Cup (ICC). The ICC is a money-maker for big clubs, staged in America, China, Australia and no doubt elsewhere in the future, where Europe’s elite play each other in front of big crowds for big paydays. This helps them ‘grow’ their ‘brand recognition’ under the direction (for profit) of the American organising company called Relevant Sports, founded by US billionaire Stephen Ross, owner of NFL franchise the Miami Dolphins. As Arsenal admitted in a statement: ‘Discussions were primarily around the ICC and formats of European competitions that would complement the existing Premier League.’ Ed Woodward, the executive vice-chairman at Manchester United, was at the meeting between the top five Premier League clubs to discuss the International Champions Cup and potential changes to European football It’s the latter half of that statement that is most interesting, namely ‘formats of European competitions.’ Why on earth would a US firm be involved in talking about reform of the Champions League, which is run by UEFA, with five English clubs? The answer, certainly, is money. But nearly as certain is that it’s not about the realistic proposition that a US-based firm will start and fund a Champions League replacement, for reasons we’ll get onto shortly. Rather it’s a useful tool whereby a group of rich clubs, including but not only the Premier League ‘big five’, can put pressure on UEFA to give them even more money than they already receive from Europe. We have been here before, most dramatically in 1997 and 1998 when a Milan-based company called Media Partners (MP) held detailed talks with major clubs about a proposed breakaway European Super League. MP was fronted by a man called Rodolfo Hecht, who for many years had worked as a senior executive in the empire of Italian mogul Silvio Berlusconi, the former Italian Prime Minister who also happened to own Milan of Serie A. I met Hecht in London in the summer of 1998 and he insisted that MP wasn’t just a Berlusconi ruse to force UEFA to make radical changes to the Champions League to give the big clubs - like Milan - a lot more cash. But to cut a long story short, the MP saga that peaked that Autumn very much ended up with UEFA making radical changes to the Champions League to give the big clubs - like Milan - a lot more cash. Manchester United, City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool met for secret talks at the five-star Dorchester Hotel It was all about money, of course. It always is. The bottom line at that time was each of the clubs being enticed to back the MP breakaway were being promised £16.8m per season for their involvement. By contrast Manchester United, by far England’s biggest club financially at that point, were earning £6.5m per season or thereabouts from UEFA for being in the Champions League. It is almost quaint now to recall the 16 ‘founder members’ being proposed by MP to form the upper of two 16-team divisions that would make up their Super League. The 16 ‘giants’ of the day concerned were proposed to be: Arsenal, Manchester United, Liverpool, Juventus, Internazionale, Milan, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Borussia Dortmund, Ajax, Marseille, Paris St Germain, Benfica, Panathanaikos and Galatasaray. Those clubs were guaranteed at least a three-year tenure in the league. The other division would begin with lesser lights including one other Premier League team, to be decided later. Anyway, it didn’t happen, because the meetings and the noise in themselves had the same effect as thumbscrews on UEFA, who gave the ‘big’ countries more places in the Champions League, and the ‘big’ clubs more money. To fast forward to today, you may not be surprised to learn that talks about the future of the Champions League are ongoing between UEFA and the ECA, the club of clubs where the giants have the loudest voices. No doubt the big clubs want more tweaks (like ‘seeded’ places perhaps, to make sure they qualify each year), and more guaranteed games against fellow big clubs (another tweak to the format), and of course more money. And no doubt minds will be focused by the Relevant discussions. Five reasons an actual ‘breakaway’ won’t happen any time soon 1: The clubs would effectively need to break away from UEFA, effectively killing it. At the very least UEFA would be massively diminished, and probably seek action against the national FAs of the rebel clubs, perhaps banning them from European Championship events. Imagine the outcry. 2: Such a Super League breakaway would need the sanction of FIFA, who dictate the global football calendar, and who in turn have the power to sanction national governing bodies for clubs’ behaviour. Theoretically most of Europe’s major nationals could ended up banned from the World Cup. Imagine the outcry. 3: There are binding TV deals in place until 2019 for the current CL format, agreed by everyone including all the clubs, their FAs, the ECA and the broadcasters. The ECA and UEFA have a memorandum of understanding for three years beyond that. In practical terms, doing anything to disrupt that becomes a legal nightmare. 4: Any new breakaway league has to be underpinned by huge amounts of cash - that is, after all, the point of it. That cash inevitably will come from broadcasters. Many of the same broadcasters who would be targeted to screen this new league already screen the current version. What are they going to do? Rip up deals they have now to pay more? Finance a rebel league and take the PR hit, while simultaneously having to charge consumers more to pay for it? That’s not going to happen. 5: There’s already a solution at hand, just as when MP came along. The current format will be tweaked by UEFA, again, to make the richest clubs a bit more likely to get entry each season, and make a bit more money each season in the process. Last season the 32 clubs in the group stages of the CL onwards shared a pot a 1 billion euros (£782m) between them from UEFA central funds (before a ticket or pie was sold). Of that sum, a little more than 60 per cent, or £470m, ended up in the coffers of the dozen highest-earning clubs: Juventus, Barcelona, PSG, Real Madrid, Monaco, Bayern Munich, Roma, Manchester City, Atletico Madrid, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool. This season, the ‘top’ clubs (the ones talking about reforms to Relevant Sports in the lounges of five-star hotels around Europe), will be earning between 30 per cent and 100 per cent more anyway because of lucrative new TV deals in play for 2015 to 2018. Why would they take a wrecking ball to UEFA, FIFA, the international calendar, the World Cup, and to relationships with broadcaster and fans when actually this very proposal is already applying the thumbscrews in Nyon? They won’t. They’ll squeeze out some more guarantees. They’ll squeeze out some more money. And in a few years’ time, we’ll be back again to the same again. Code: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-3473241/Football-s-big-wigs-dreaming-Euro-Super-League-years-s-five-reasons-not-happen.html __________________ UNITED INDONESIA GO GREEN

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06-03-2016, 01:21 AM	#7
penk22_ Divisi IT penk@unitedindonesia.org Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Soemenep - Soerabaja Posts: 10,286 Thanks: 999 Thanked 1,066 Times in 595 Posts Mentioned: 558 Post(s)	Re: Euro Super League Van Gaal menolak upaya Euro Supee League dan lebih memilih untuk memperbaiki sistem di UCL Manchester United boss Louis van Gaal says he is against European Super League and believes Champions League should be restricted to title winners Manchester United manager Louis van Gaal is opposed to any notion of a European Super League of elite clubs, and believes that even the current Champions League should still be restricted to national champions. United were one of the five clubs believed to have discussed the Super League proposals this week after executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward was pictured meeting with his counterparts from Manchester City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool at a London hotel. But Van Gaal would prefer to go the other way and revert to the old European Cup format whereby only teams who win their national championship are eligible for the competition. Even though United qualified for this season’s Champions League by finishing fourth – and may have to do so again after slipping to fifth – Van Gaal said: ‘Everybody knows when you follow my career that I am against the Super League and something like that. ‘Sport is to be the best. When the Champions League was existing I said it was rubbish because the first and second and third and fourth team played. The competition should be between champions, in my opinion. I said it 20 years ago and I say it now. ‘It is only commercial thinking. When you are thinking like a commercial dealer then of course you are right, but sport is to win not to be second or third.’ United have revived their hopes of a top-four finish by going level on points with fourth-placed City, and also have the possibility of qualifying for next season’s Champions League by winning the Europa League. Van Gaal added: ‘It’s still our aim, but our aim is also to win a title and a title is winning the Europa League ‘Manchester United haven’t won the Europa League so it would be fantastic for the club and for the fans. A title is always more than fourth position. ‘But the Champions League is our aim and that is why the Europa League and fourth in the table are important. ‘Of course when you see that we close the gap a little bit then your belief shall rise. I am talking to my players about first believing in it. I believe it in t but the players have to believe in that and they now understand that you can believe in it. But first we have to beat West Bromwich Albion on Sunday, and it shall not be easy.’ HTML Code: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3476976/Louis-van-Gaal-says-against-European-Super-League-believes-Champions-League-restricted-title-winners.html __________________ When you think you can, you can !

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