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Old 30-08-2010, 11:51 AM   #11
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Mou cuma pengen cari ambisi pribadi di tiap klub yang ditangani nya.. yang ada ntar kalo misi nya dah kecapai di United langsung cari klub lain lagi...
iya iya bener!
dia tuh berambisi ngelatih tim2 besar eropa, chelsea-inter-madrid.
pengen diliat prestisius kali ya?
ketauan banget ntar baru semusim ngelatih united eh abis itu kabur lagi ke tim lain, benerbener kaga setia dah.
terus ngomong nya gede angkuh banget makanya dipanggil Big Mouth Mou
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Old 30-08-2010, 01:40 PM   #12
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Vote for David Moyes , please

Why ? If Jose "The Special One" Mourinho will be United Gaffer after SAF retired , it gonna be :

a.d 1 ) Football Style :

United always play with "Mou style" every week , from one match to another , with its defensive + physical body contact style . Hell no ...

Seandainya "Mou style" diterapkan pada 2-3 match masih ok lah (in case : Mou jadi membesut United) , ketika tim2 besar di Eropa ( misal : Barca , Real , Muenchen , dll ) bertemu dgn United .

Tetapi , kalau tiap match para fans disuguhi permainan membosankan , dimana sesudah United unggul satu gol dan setelah itu pemain United mati2an mempertahankan surplus gol tsb sampai peluit akhir dibunyikan . Hmmm ... where is the art of attacking football than ?

a.d.2 ) Promosi pemain muda dr Akademi Klub :

Davide Santon ? Kasus Santon tjd coz Inter tidak punya pilihan lain d posisi Left Back . Maxwell sedang mengalami penurunan performa , dan Chivu (CMIIW) mengalami cedera . Istilahnya , Mourinho coba2 utk mengorbitkan Santon d pertengahan musim 08/09 . Setelah itu , dimana Santon pada musim 09/10 ? Lenyap ditelan bumi ...

Balotelli ? Balotelli diorbitkan pada jaman Mancini , bukan pada era Mourinho . Kenapa Super Mario lebih memilih mendarat di City , setelah hengkang dr Inter . Salah satu alasan nya (selain gaji ) tentu saja adl sosok Roberto Mancini .

Sementara di Chelski , rasanya TIDAK ADA pemain muda yg berhasil diorbitkan oleh Mourinho pada th 2004-2007 . Ben Sahar , Roberth Huth , dan Scott Sinclair pada akhirnya hengkang keluar demi meniti karir yg lebih bagus .

a.d.3) Manajemen Konflik :

Mourinho tidak bisa menangani "bad boy" semacam Mario Balotelli . Sementara itu , di United para pemain muda yg masih "labil" berderet utk antri diorbitkan ke tim Utama . Fergie berhasil menangani "bad boy" seperti Robson , Cantona , Roy Keane , Beckham , CR7 , Rooney , dan yg paling baru ... Macheda .

Mourinho hanya bisa berhasil ketika dia mendapatkan skuad yg isinya pemain2 model "yes man" , IMHO . Ketika bertemu pemain bengal + pemberontak semacam Mutu , Adriano , dan Balotelli apa yg terjadi ?

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Old 30-08-2010, 03:44 PM   #13
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weis mantap om satya penjelasannya, babat abis!
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nah itu dia intinya!
regenerasi pemain muda.
gue baru tau ternyata santon itu kecelakaan dimasukin nya, berarti kl benerbener kepepet baru dipake?
kasian amat anak2 akademi united yg terbiasa dengan fergie yg suka mengorbitkan pemain akademi tiba2 pas era mou gak ada sama sekali!
bukan tipikal united kalo gak ada regenerasi.
menyedihkan kl dilatih mou united hanya menang 1-0/match, kayak era tommy docherty-sepakbola defensif
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Old 30-08-2010, 06:11 PM   #14
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sama neh
milih bukan mou
jadi bisa moyes atau pep (hehehehekali aja bosen di barca)
alasannya sama bgt ama yang diatas
plus rada aneh aja liat mou yang koar2 dgn media atau pelatih lawan tapi ga bisa jinakin baloteli
jadi kesannya dia koar2 diluar buat nutupin kekurangan dia dlm ngadepin badboys gitu
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Old 30-08-2010, 06:14 PM   #15
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terserahlah siapa aja
yg penting ciri khas MU jangan sampe ilang
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Old 30-08-2010, 06:28 PM   #16
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Ada pendapat yg menyebutkan bahwa mourinho terbukti lebih berpengalaman dalam menghadapi pertandingan di level eropa, Mourinho juga terbukti bisa merotasi pemain untuk meraih trebel winner di INTER,,,,, but saya rasa saya setuju dengan konsep pemain muda,,,tapi dalam perjalanan Karirnya David Moyes terbukti termasuk "BOROS" dalam hal belanja pemain,,,lihat saja pembelian Fellaini yg memecahkan rekor transfer club,,,dan DM telah melakukan ini 2x sedangkan MOU memang walau terkenal hobi belanja pemain akan tetapi tetap sesuai koridor anggaran club yg tersedia
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Old 30-08-2010, 07:56 PM   #17
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Ga juga kok, bro... JM itu yg nemuin santon di Inter...
So soal pemain muda sih hrsnya ga masalah...
Faktanya adalah... Youth academynya Inter, Chelsea or even Madrid bukan tandingannya United...
So, JM yg lebih mengandalkan gaya bermain dan kemenangan melawan Moyes yang senang mengandalkan anak muda...
I personally wants JM @ United...
aku setuju ke om panda.. Sebenernya bimbang juga antara mou atau moyes atau pelatih laen apalagi ngelihat track record mou ngelatih yang singkat tapi ngelihat gimana prestasi dia jadi berharap dia hadirkan trofi ke united. Fergie pelatih besar,saat dia meninggalkan united pasti akan menimbulkan beban yang sangat2 berat buat penggantinya,tapi mou dengan tempramen dan mentalnya aku rasa akan bisa ngatasi semua itu. Moyes..aku belum yakin dia bisa ngatasi beban itu. Satu hal lagi yang aku suka dari mou adalah sikap disiplin dan mentalnya yang kuat. Dia nggak segan2 nyingkirin pemaen klo pemaen itu membangkang bahkan sekelas baloteli. Buat pemaen muda pun aku rasa dia sangat peduli. Hanya emang mungkin kondisi chelsea dan inter tidak bagus youngsternya jadi terkesan nggak peduli pemaen muda.
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Ga juga kok, bro... JM itu yg nemuin santon di Inter...
So soal pemain muda sih hrsnya ga masalah...
Faktanya adalah... Youth academynya Inter, Chelsea or even Madrid bukan tandingannya United...
So, JM yg lebih mengandalkan gaya bermain dan kemenangan melawan Moyes yang senang mengandalkan anak muda...
I personally wants JM @ United...
bukanya santon mulai keliatan pas era mancini ya ma??satu hal yg gw aga ga sreg dgn Mou adalah dia cenderung lbh milih pemain yg sdh jadi, ketimbang membina pemain muda, walaupun gw akui Mou cukup handal dalam strategi memenangkan pertandingan.
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Old 31-08-2010, 01:07 PM   #19
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Mourinho selalu belajar dari kekalahan...
well... meski di tahun pertamanya gagal membawa inter melaju ke Final UCL [ keok 2 kali ma OPA]

tahun berikutnya ia menyadari komposisi pemain Inter... itu dilihat dari Javier Zanetti yg bukan sebagai bek kanan lagi...

dan tahun berikutnya??? can you see that?? sukses besar... meski ga sesukser Pep dengan setengah lusin piala...



well ada benarnya pendapat yg bilang... bila ia sukses di Madrid... ia pasti pergi ke United... dan bila sukses lagi ia akan pergi begitu saja.. dan melatih timnas Portugal...

mungkin musim pertama di madrid, mou agak susah alias bisa dibilang gagal...
musim keduanya ia baru sukses...


sedangkan Moyes??? typical of Sir ALex bgt...

well klo dibandingkan JM vs DM.. saya lebih milih DM...
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Gw prefer JM 101%.
why? JM jauh lebih berpengalaman dalam memompa team yg penuh dengan bintang serta mampu memenage squad baik dalam kondisi tertekan maupun ketika lapar akan gelar.

JM sudah teruji di level liga & eropa dan terbukti mampu memenangi gelar karena JM tipikal oportunis yang eksentrik sehingga lawan nga berani ngeladenin JM.

Yg jadi persoalan adalah kontrak SAF habis 2011, dan JM baru semusim di Madrid. apakah bisa JM beralih ke UNITED? denger2 info dalam klausul JM di Madrid tertulis klo JM pindah, maka team pertama yang dituju adalah UNITED dengan clausul fee yang negotiable.

hopely....

Ini just opini ya....
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