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Wuik, sampe dibilang strategi dari jaman batu
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People said the “tiki-taka” brand of football under Pep Guardiola can only be played with the type of players that Barcelona possessed such like Messi, Xavi and Inesta but after Guardiola took charge of Bayern Munich, he is able to mould them into playing this brand of football even with different group of players. This shows that how influential a coach can have on a team with their ideas, philosophy and tactics.

There is a saying “tactics and players come hand in hand”. A team can have 11 world class players on the field but without the right tactics from the coach, it still won’t able to yield the desirable results on the pitch. This explained why United won the league by 11 points last season under Alex Ferguson but now they are struggling at 7th place under Moyes even with the same group of players.

Below is the illustration on the difference between Bayern Munich ( vs Manchester City )and United (vs Fulham). From these pictures, you will understand why United are so one dimensional and predictable.


The distance between the players is too large to play any short one quick passing or combination play to open up the defence. From this snapshots, there is only 2 options, pass it wide or a long ball forward. This is why United racked up 81 crosses against Fulham as it was the result of *the players positioning and the team set-up *which did not afforded any other options.


The distance and the relation between the Bayern’s players are short & they creating triangles for quick combination passing to move the attacking phase forward. That is why they are able to keep the game flowing and the options created from the triangles enabled them to attack from different directions which made them unpredictable.


There is no one in the middle to create a triangle with the 2 players on the left channel and there was a big gap in between line with no United players taking advantage or dropping deep to drag defenders away. The 4 circled red United players were waiting in the box for a cross. As a result, there was only 1 option; pass it wide and cross.


There are 3 Bayern players making themselves available to build up the attack by creating triangles with the player on the ball.


Van Persie and Rooney (circled red) are too close together playing high up the pitch. Rooney should drop into the hole to create triangles and to drag opposition defender out of their position to create space. As a result, there is only 1 option, pass it wide and cross.


The positioning of Bayern players during attacking phase; they were cohesive and moving in relation to each other.


There is no one in between the line from United. The midfield staying deep and the forwards pushing high up the pitch.


The positioning of each Bayern players in relations to each other were good with a lot of triangles to keep the passing move to break through the Man City Defence.

A picture tells a thousand words; this summed up the tactical woe of David Moyes.

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Old 12-02-2014, 03:22 PM   #22
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keren euy ulasan yg diatas ini...

pantes aja byk user disini yg bilang strategi jaman batu...
yg paling mantap quote yg ini nih
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dewi fortuna bukanlah segalanya kan klo kaya gini??
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A picture tells a thousand words; this summed up the tactical woe of David Moyes.
Mantap masbro...

kalo diperhatikan setiap match pasti langsung sadar kok,setiap pemaen united pegang bola (handsball donk ) pasti temen yang lain menjauh dan melebar,kalo udah bingung mau kemana baru ada 1 pemaen yang ngedeketin untuk minta bola dan abis itu semuanya melebar lagi..

seinget gw si jenius ini pas post match interview komen kalo crossing itu udah ada di gen nya united makanya maennya crossing..

ya elah brooohhh..mau DNA nya crossing ato tiki taka kan balik lagi ke pelatih,kalo pelatih memfasilitasi DNA itu yo wes bablass..fasilitasinya gimana?pake formasi 442 ato 4411 dan naro pemaen di sayap (young) dan memaksa pemaen jadi sayap (mata), kalo emang dia tau dan dia ga mau gen crossing itu muncuk di united pakailah formasi yang tidak memfasilitasi itu dan jangan pasang pemaen sayap..

kalo cuma nyalahin gen sih ga kan beres masalahnya,solusi pak bos solusinyaa...
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Kmrn2 ane liat ulasan soal bayern muenchen,,dan diliatin video saat tiki-taka versi muenchen ini diterapkan di pertandingan...asli emang mirip bgt sama cara maennya barca...

Kagum sekaligus ngerii...
Ngebayangin united klo lawan muenchen ini entah gmn nasibnya...
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Dengan gaya zaman batu itu lah Fergie bergelimang piala..
Tiki taka bagus but thats not the only one..
Bagi yg tersihir ato mungkin baru kenal bola sejak zaman Pep dan Messi, pastilah membosankan kalo liat gaya main United yg direct pass, dikit2 ke sayap, dominan longpass.
Dan memang semenjak Scholes meredup dan pensiun kita gak punya lagi pengumpan jarak jauh yg bisa mengukur tiap inci lapangan..
Tiap tim punya style masing2 ngapain juga ngikutin main tim lain klo kita punya style sendiri..

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Dengan gaya zaman batu itu lah Fergie bergelimang piala..
Tiki taka bagus but thats not the only one..
Bagi yg tersihir ato mungkin baru kenal bola sejak zaman Pep dan Messi, pastilah membosankan kalo liat gaya main United yg direct pass, dikit2 ke sayap, dominan longpass.
Dan memang semenjak Scholes meredup dan pensiun kita gak punya lagi pengumpan jarak jauh yg bisa mengukur tiap inci lapangan..
Tiap tim punya style masing2 ngapain juga ngikutin main tim lain klo kita punya style sendiri..

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gw ga bilang juga klo tiki-taka harus diterapin di united om..

kan beberapa kali gw bilang...gw ga keberatan moyes mau mempertahankan permainan united kaya sekarang,tapi ya anak buah dia mampu dan bisa sukses ga ngejalaninnya??
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dewi fortuna bukanlah segalanya kan klo kaya gini??
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Kalau dilihat dari gambar, saat pemain pegang bola gak ada yang bantu dijarak dekat untuk pasing. Kalau gak salah ingat musim lalu passing- passing dekat antar pemain ada kok tapi bukan tiki taka.

Mungkin maksud Moyes, Ashley & Vale/ Januzaj/ Mata harus ngelewati pemain lawan dengan skill gocekan mereka kemudian kirim ke tengah.

Sama seperti yang Las soroti:

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A team can have 11 world class players on the field but without the right tactics from the coach, it still won’t able to yield the desirable results on the pitch.
Plus apa yang pernah di bilang @Redsbusby; "harusnya dengan gaji segitu Moyes tau caranya menang"

dengan kata lain strateginya gak kaya "jaman batu" (sejak opa Ron berjaya), harusnya lebih kaya dari apa yang ada.

Setuju dengan ToD, gak selamanya tiki- taka itu bagus, bahkan Wenger & Rogers yang mengadopsi gaya main itu dalam beberapa match tetap saja kalah. Namun yang boleh ane pelajari dari hal ini adalah, kita punya pemain kelas dunia dalam hal passing, Roo- Mata- Kagawa- Carrick bahkan Cleverley. Ane masih ingat di match UCL lawan Sociedad & Leverkusen, sesekali pemain berimprovisasi dengan umpan 1-2 & terobosan, kenapa sekarang (2014) harus terpaku dengan strategi macam itu?
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gw ga bilang juga klo tiki-taka harus diterapin di united om..

kan beberapa kali gw bilang...gw ga keberatan moyes mau mempertahankan permainan united kaya sekarang,tapi ya anak buah dia mampu dan bisa sukses ga ngejalaninnya??
Lah kan memang ngga ada gw bilang kalo @tukang-las; mau nya tiki taka harus diterapin di United..
Gw suka taktik sama hal nya dengan Fergie thats why i love BPL more than other League, cuma masalah nya sekarang2 taktik nya banyak yang gak berjalan dengan baik..
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Wuik... jadi penasaran se-batu apa. Apakah ada perubahan pas vs Arsenal?
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Dengan gaya zaman batu itu lah Fergie bergelimang piala..
Tiki taka bagus but thats not the only one..
Bagi yg tersihir ato mungkin baru kenal bola sejak zaman Pep dan Messi, pastilah membosankan kalo liat gaya main United yg direct pass, dikit2 ke sayap, dominan longpass.
Dan memang semenjak Scholes meredup dan pensiun kita gak punya lagi pengumpan jarak jauh yg bisa mengukur tiap inci lapangan..
Tiap tim punya style masing2 ngapain juga ngikutin main tim lain klo kita punya style sendiri..

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bener..gaya zaman batu itu yang buat SAF bergelimang piala..

dan gaya zaman batu itu juga yang sekarang membuat united terlempar dari perburuan gelar juara dan bahkan harus berjuang untuk dapat tiket EL...

mnurut gw gaya itu ga membosankan kok,yang membosankan itu kalo berpuluh2 kali melakukan hal yg sama padahal gagal dan hanya berharap keberuntungan..

boleh tau masbro,klub eropa mana yang masih pakai gaya zaman batu ini dan berhasil sekarang?

dengan materi skuad sekarang dan memakai gaya zaman batu ya sama aja bunuh diri..kecuali kalo memang dia mau pake gaya zaman batu dan membeli pemaen yang sesuai dengan gaya zaman batu itu..
wait wait..valencia bukannya cocok dengan gaya zaman batu ini dan ternyata hasilnya??

kalo emang style sendiri ini udah kadaluarsa dan usang kenapa harus bertahan?kenapa ga coba gaya baru yang mana pemaen sekarang juga cocok dengan gaya baru itu..

kalo kata bos gw sih,dinosaurus punah karena tidak berubah..

embuh artine opo..
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