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Old 25-01-2014, 10:06 PM   #21
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Klo dari artikel pertama trit ini, Moyes dikatakan idiot karena memaksakan RVP yang baru sembuh dari cedera untuk bermain 90 menit melawan Newcastle. Menurut penulis artikel, hal itu bisa menyebabkan RVP kembali cedera. Dan entah mengapa, prediksi itu benar. Apakah kebetulan atau seperti apa?

Jadi sebenarnya faktor cedera itu bukan hanya karena pola latihan, selain faktor bawaan pemain, bisa juga permainan kasar lawan, tapi tidak menutup kemungkinan seperti yang dikatakan oleh penulis artikel. Dalam hal ini menyangkut berapa menit bermain yang diberikan pada pemain yang baru sembuh dari cedera. Bagaimana pelatih memerlakukan pemain yang cedera dan latihan seperti apa yang diberikan pada pemain pasca cedera juga sangat memengaruhi kebugaran pemain yang bersangkutan.

Klo mengenai kasus RVP, ane pernah baca artikel pujian dari Arsene Wenger soal RVP yang jarang cedera. Jarang itu bukan berarti tidak pernah ya. Dan benar saja dari data yang ada di trit ini, dari tahun 2002-2013, RVP paling banyak cedera di tahun 2013, total 8 kali cedera. Satu kali di awal tahun, sisanya tujuh kali dari periode bulan juli- desember 2013 (setelah ditangani Moyes).
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Old 25-01-2014, 10:18 PM   #22
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Emang klo dah benci apa2 jadi jelek.

Wkwkwkwk... cuma ingin bilang klo cara mikir aneh kli cuma cedera dilihat dari jumlah. Hargo cedera cuma beberapa kali tapi lamaaaaaaa.... RvP di Arsenal jarang cedera? Lha nggak pernah tiap musim nggak cedera lama.

Copas ah...

Robin van Persie joined Arsenal in 2004 for a fee of £2.75m. Feyenoord originally wanted £5m but, well, Wenger did his thing. Since then he has played a total of 278 games for Arsenal (211 starts and 67 substitute appearances), an average of 26 starts per season.

2004-05: Debut season cut short by and ankle injury in February after also spending time out with two sprained ankles (not at the same time).

2005-06: Suffered a knee injury, and two more ankle injuries. Arsenal fans are starting to realise why the Dutch fans refer to him as ‘glass ankles.’

2006-07: Just to mix things up a bit Robin suffered a hip injury followed by a metatarsal fracture then another knee injury before suffering a thigh muscle strain.

2007-08: Managed to make it January before injury set in and then suffered three thigh muscle strains in quick succession.

2008-09: An ankle injury started the season off followed by a hamstring injury and a couple of groin strains to end the season.

2009-10: A knee injury arrived in September followed by a sprained ankle. This was the season he tried to use horse placenta to cure what turned out to be torn
ligaments and missed five months of the campaign only to return in April to feature in the last few games.

2010-11: Another early ankle injury suffered in August kept him out until November. He caught flu in February as well as pulling a hamstring and then injuring his knee.

2011-2012: Robin’s most injury-free season since he signed for Arsenal, he picked up the obligatory ankle injury in August then had an injury free run until he picked up a little groin strain in February.

Fergie > Wenger = Moyes
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Old 25-01-2014, 10:29 PM   #23
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Emang klo dah benci apa2 jadi jelek.

Wkwkwkwk... cuma ingin bilang klo cara mikir aneh kli cuma cedera dilihat dari jumlah. Hargo cedera cuma beberapa kali tapi lamaaaaaaa.... RvP di Arsenal jarang cedera? Lha nggak pernah tiap musim nggak cedera lama.

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Robin van Persie joined Arsenal in 2004 for a fee of £2.75m. Feyenoord originally wanted £5m but, well, Wenger did his thing. Since then he has played a total of 278 games for Arsenal (211 starts and 67 substitute appearances), an average of 26 starts per season.

2004-05: Debut season cut short by and ankle injury in February after also spending time out with two sprained ankles (not at the same time).

2005-06: Suffered a knee injury, and two more ankle injuries. Arsenal fans are starting to realise why the Dutch fans refer to him as ‘glass ankles.’

2006-07: Just to mix things up a bit Robin suffered a hip injury followed by a metatarsal fracture then another knee injury before suffering a thigh muscle strain.

2007-08: Managed to make it January before injury set in and then suffered three thigh muscle strains in quick succession.

2008-09: An ankle injury started the season off followed by a hamstring injury and a couple of groin strains to end the season.

2009-10: A knee injury arrived in September followed by a sprained ankle. This was the season he tried to use horse placenta to cure what turned out to be torn
ligaments and missed five months of the campaign only to return in April to feature in the last few games.

2010-11: Another early ankle injury suffered in August kept him out until November. He caught flu in February as well as pulling a hamstring and then injuring his knee.

2011-2012: Robin’s most injury-free season since he signed for Arsenal, he picked up the obligatory ankle injury in August then had an injury free run until he picked up a little groin strain in February.

Fergie > Wenger = Moyes

Ini seperti data yang anda berikan kan, setiap tahun RVP memang ada cedera. Setiap tahun rata2 3-4x. Masalahnya berapa lama cederanya? Sebulan? Dua bulan? Tiga bulan? Atau setahun? Atau cedera seminggu terus baik. Trus lima bulan lagi cedera seminggu terus baik? Klo begini mah semua pemain bola juga pasti kena om. Mau pelatihnya kelas dewa juga, pasti bisa aja pemainnya cedera.

Nah problemnya dari data yang ente kasih. RVP ini sudah 7 kali cedera dalam dari bulan juli-Desember. Ane mah gak mengada2 emang data ente seperti itu kan? Biasanya rata2 pertahun 3-4x, di tangan Moyes setengah tahun aja sudah 7 x.

Klo mau gampang itu sebenarnya ente cari aja data maennya RVP selama di Arsenal tiap musim dari 2004-2011. Klo dia cederanya panjang kan pasti maennya makin dikit tuh. Klo dia gak cedera panjang otomatis maennya banyak. Baru abis itu ente bandingkan sama berapa banyak RVP maen musim ini. Keluar deh hasilnya.

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Wkwkwk... klo udah hater emang asyik. Apa aja jelek dah.
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Gw penasaran spt apa gambaran di atas lapangan metode latian yg dipake Moyes, dan gw harap ada pembanding scr spesifik dgn metode latian klub lain. Yang pasti, disatu sisi gw rasa metode Moyes mampu ningkatin kekuatan scr fisik dr pemain, termasuk untuk bermain scr lebih intens dilapangan. Namun disisi lain, entah memang karena posisi yg salah diatas lapangan ditambah otot yg 'kelelahan' membuat Persie dan Rooney kembali cidera.
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Pointnya paparin dulu pola latihannya baru di bahas itu salah atau tidak lalu apakah itu yg menyebabkan daftar cidera bertambah
Ada pengaruhnya apa enggak antara pola latihan sama cidera pemain, atau emang jadwal yg padat, atau hal2 lain di luar teknis yg mempengaruhi
klo cuma liat dari histtory cidera apanya yg mw diperdebatkan
Kayanya yang satu itu sulit di cari source-nya, karena latihan klub gak boleh diliput kecuali latihan terbuka kan? Mungkin bisa dapat sedikit gambaran dari mereka- mereka yang ikutan tour 2013, yang nongkrong di tempat latihan sampe bertahan di stadion hingga akhir. Cak Guffi kalo gak salah pernah posting itu di thread tour? CIIMW.
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Wkwkwk... klo udah hater emang asyik. Apa aja jelek dah.
Yg hater siapa om??
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Yg hater siapa om??
Yg ngerasa aja,wkwkwkwk....
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Yg ngerasa aja,wkwkwkwk....
Oh...klo ada yg kebakaran jenggot berarti ngerasa,,gitu ya om??
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Soal cedera, zaman Fergie kita sering cedera berjamaah, Carrick yg sampe jadi bek gara2 pemain belakang cedera semua, ato fergie juga pernah memainkan 7 bek sekaligus ( bukan di posisinya) karena faktor pemain di posisi itu cedera juga..
Jadi bukan zaman Moyes aja tapi zaman Fergie juga banyak dan sering tu yg cedera


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