Pass Master.... Where Are we ??

[Andi Istiabudi]

Iya, awal musim ini sebenarnya Tom Cleverly bermain cukup bagus dan mampu menggantikan peran Scholes di lini tengah. Sayang cidera menghampiri dan membuatnya tidak bisa tampil hingga saat ini. Seandainya Cleverly tidak cidera, mungkin Scholes tidak akan memutuskan comeback

[theater of dream]

Originally Posted by Andi Istiabudi

Iya, awal musim ini sebenarnya Tom Cleverly bermain cukup bagus dan mampu menggantikan peran Scholes di lini tengah. Sayang cidera menghampiri dan membuatnya tidak bisa tampil hingga saat ini. Seandainya Cleverly tidak cidera, mungkin Scholes tidak akan memutuskan comeback

Pengen liat ya gimana kombinasi Scholes - Cleverly...

[Andi Istiabudi]

Originally Posted by theater of dream

Pengen liat ya gimana kombinasi Scholes - Cleverly...

Pastinya lini tengah United dijamin makin kuat dan solid

[fredrian.seven]

Originally Posted by theater of dream

Statistik dari Sky Sport..

Team------------------------ Passing Accuracy %
Barcelona------------------------- 89.2
FC Bayern München----------------87.0
Manchester City -------------------86.2
Real Madrid ------------------------85.8
Chelsea--------------------------- 85.5
Swansea City--------------------- 85.2
Milan----------------------------- 85.1
Roma----------------------------- 84.9
Tottenham Hotspur---------------- 84.7
Arsenal---------------------------- 84.6

Ya.. bingung mo gimana. Mungkin klo dari awal musim bisa konsisten tik tak bisa masuk daftar. Lha tengah2 pada bertumbangan jadi sempet kembali ke gaya bola lambung.

Player ------------Team------------------ Passing Accuracy %--- Passes
Britton, Leon------ Swansea City ------------93.3 ----------------1127
Xavi-------------- Barcelona ----------------93.0 ----------------1830
Terry, John -------Chelsea------------------- 91.6 ---------------1209
Busquets, Sergio --Barcelona -----------------91.3 ---------------1086
Thiago Silva -------Milan ---------------------91.1 ---------------1068
Lahm, Philipp------- FC Bayern München------ 91.0 ----------------1326
Allen, Joe ---------Swansea City -------------90.3 ----------------1075
Arteta, Mikel ------Arsenal -------------------90.3---------------- 1318
Yaya Touré -------Manchester City -----------90.0 ----------------1552
Parker, Scott -----Tottenham Hotspur ---------89.8 ---------------1035

Players with 1000+ passes only.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/n...0/Pass-masters

Klo yang ini wajar... dari awal musim nggak ada pemaen yang maen hampir full. Gantian masuk ruang perawatan... jadi ya bukannya persentasenya rendah, cuma jumlah passiingnya nggak sampe 1000.

Klo carrick bisa maen dari awal musim mungkin dia bisa masuk list.

Klo kombinasi Scholes - Cleverley.... Jujur takut. Yang 1 nggak bisa tekel, yang 1 spesialis nyerang. Nggak kebayang 4 bek tanpa pelapis. Bisa2 lebih ancur dari duet Ando - Clev dalam bertahan.

[theater of dream]

Originally Posted by fredrian.seven

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Klo kombinasi Scholes - Cleverley.... Jujur takut. Yang 1 nggak bisa tekel, yang 1 spesialis nyerang. Nggak kebayang 4 bek tanpa pelapis. Bisa2 lebih ancur dari duet Ando - Clev dalam bertahan.

Ngga juga bro, Cleverly CM sejati, defence nya masih bagus kok, mirip dengan Modric ngga besar tapi defence/offence nya balance, dan kalo Ando memang dasar nya AM dan diplot jadi CM..
kalo parameter nya dengan Ando aja bisa balance napa ngga dengan Scholes yang memang murni CM
ingat bro awal musim lini tengah kita cukup balanca dengan Ando-Clev..
Arsenal 8-2, Hotspur 3-0, Bolton 0-5 udah ngerasain.. thats fact

[fredrian.seven]

Originally Posted by theater of dream

Ngga juga bro, Cleverly CM sejati, defence nya masih bagus kok, mirip dengan Modric ngga besar tapi defence/offence nya balance, dan kalo Ando memang dasar nya AM dan diplot jadi CM..
kalo parameter nya dengan Ando aja bisa balance napa ngga dengan Scholes yang memang murni CM
ingat bro awal musim lini tengah kita cukup balanca dengan Ando-Clev..
Arsenal 8-2, Hotspur 3-0, Bolton 0-5 udah ngerasain.. thats fact

Arsenal 8-2, Hotspur 3-0, Bolton 0-5... yup itu fakta hasil akhirnya. coba kita lihat fakta lainnya... sedikit kembali ke kekalahan 1-6 dari city. Ada ulasan ini

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2011/10/05/why-are-manchester-united-allowing-so-many-shots-on-their-goal-this-season/

Why are Manchester United allowing so many shots on their goal this season?

beberapa kemungkinan dari ulasan itu.

1. David De Gea’s perceived weakness from long-range shots?

After letting in Edin Dzeko’s long-range strike in the Community Shield, there was a lot of attention paid to De Gea’s ability to deal with long shots – in particular, his footwork was questioned. Meanwhile, Opta put out a stat that suggested he had a poor record from long-range last year in La Liga. Is De Gea weak from distance? In this case, the true answer isn’t really relevant – the key is that opponents think he is, hence why they’ve been peppering him from 20+ yards. He’s yet to concede a goal from outside the box in the Premier League.

2. Defensive injuries?

Rio Ferdinand and Nemanja Vidic have both been injured, whilst Chris Smalling and then Antonio Valencia have been played out of position at right-back. United’s defence has coped well in the circumstances, but there is still a question mark about how much of a solid partnership there is at the back, particularly when one centre-back needs step forward and the other needs to cover, as Fernando Torres’ goal at Old Trafford showed. Ferdinand and Vidic had that art perfected, although United have learnt to cope without the former.

3. No true holding player?

It’s arguable whether Michael Carrick is a holding player or not, but he’s certainly more of one than both Anderson and Tom Cleverley, Ferguson’s favoured midfield partnership so far this season. An interesting feature of United’s 4-4-2 last season was the use of one calm, intelligent passing player who would remain in front of the back four (Carrick or Paul Scholes) and a runner who would break forward (Darren Fletcher or Anderson). Ferguson was reluctant to use two passers or two runners together.

Cleverley is an altogether different player – more attack-minded than any of the players mentioned above, and the use of him and Anderson leaves too much of a gap between midfield and defence, with no-one screening. Carrick, whilst far from the tough tackler some still favour in that position, is very good at tracking and intercepting. United might well be a better side overall without him, but defensively they’re not as solid.

4. Rooney working less?

As Stewart Robson recently mentioned, Rooney’s run of form as a true number ten has coincided with him running less without the ball. He worked extremely hard when fielded wide as United were dominated by Cristiano Ronaldo, and did the same when used as a lone forward. Now, epitomised by his lax tracking of Sergio Busquets in the Champions League final, the start of United’s problems in midfield in that game, he doesn’t work as hard to close down. As a result, the midfielders have to do more work higher up the pitch, and leave gaps in behind.

5. More fluidity = less structure?

The Community Shield performance was a marked difference from United last season. In 2010/11 they were linear, well-defined and organised. Now, they’re much more free-flowing and flexible. As a result, they’re more likely to put together great attacking combinations, but also more likely to be opened up by opponents in midfield. The identity of players as a result of this change has also contributed – with a fluid system you’d favour Ashley Young and Nani over Park Ji-Sung and Antonio Valencia, but the latter two are clearly much more disciplined players.

Conclusion

Five possible answers that all have their merits. De Gea’s reputation as being dodgy from long-range is clearly a contributing factor, but the combination of the final three points, which are all interlinked, is also worth consideration. If Rooney doesn’t close down, then Cleverley and Anderson will surely be exposed by top-level opponents at some stage.

Perhaps the most obvious reason initially, the defensive injuries, seems less of a factor. Evans, Jones and Smalling have all impressed – the issue is higher up the pitch.

Still, United’s defensive record is nothing to worry about so far, and the improvement in attacking potential compensates for the question marks when United don’t have the ball. Still, we can’t rule out the odd game where United’s defence looks vulnerable, and they end up conceding a few goals.

Meski scholes bisa maen di holding, tapi aku masih ragu sama kemampuan bertahannya. Mungkin untuk lawan tim kecil bisa, tapi buat tim besar United tetep butuh pemaen macam carrick.

Scholes - Cleverley, mungkin bagus buat possession, tapi cukup mengkhawatirkan buat bertahan. IMO... he...

[theater of dream]

Setiap formasi pasti ada titik lemah bro...
biar maksimal yang harus dilakukan pemain adalah terus mengeluarkan sisi terkuat nya dengan sendiri nya itu bakal menutupi celah kelemahan formasi mereka..
cth : Barca, formasi mereka sangat rentan kena obrak-abrik, tapi mereka cukup jeli menutupi nya dengan mengandalkan ball possesion game, ketika bola mereka kerebut, mereka akan secepatnya mengambil nya kembali tanpa memberi kesempatan pada lawan untuk mengembangkan..
nah kelemahan nya ketika mereka terlambat/tak mampu meredam/mengambil kembali bola sedini mungkin itu bakal jadi petaka buat mereka, dengan defence yang cendrung lemah..
IMO

[Oom Panda]

Kenapa kita ga ada di list itu?

Let's see...
Roo bener2 buruk belakangan ini passnya, not deserved to be up there..
And kita ke tengah? Nani and Valencia, mungkin masuk ke berapa banyak touch and dribble yg mereka lakukan, but not passes.. Apalagi NANI!
Carrick? Not such a passer... Ando? He even not looking comfy with his feet....
Scholes is the only passer we had...
Owh.. Maybe Vidic and Rio could be up there, left-right and backpass... X_x

So, wajar aja kalo ga ada di list diatas, org kita ga maen short passes style...and pastinya.. Kita gampang bgt lose possession.. Haram hukumnya bagi yg mau masuk di list tersebut...

[Mahesa_Jenar]

Originally Posted by theater of dream

Setiap formasi pasti ada titik lemah bro...
biar maksimal yang harus dilakukan pemain adalah terus mengeluarkan sisi terkuat nya dengan sendiri nya itu bakal menutupi celah kelemahan formasi mereka..
cth : Barca, formasi mereka sangat rentan kena obrak-abrik, tapi mereka cukup jeli menutupi nya dengan mengandalkan ball possesion game, ketika bola mereka kerebut, mereka akan secepatnya mengambil nya kembali tanpa memberi kesempatan pada lawan untuk mengembangkan..
nah kelemahan nya ketika mereka terlambat/tak mampu meredam/mengambil kembali bola sedini mungkin itu bakal jadi petaka buat mereka, dengan defence yang cendrung lemah..
IMO

Permainan Barcelona secara umum mengadaptasi Total Football gaya Rinus Michels, dimana mereka akan menguasai bola selama mungkin dengan hampir semua pemain bergerak, dan begitu mereka kehilangan bola, merekapun melakukan teknik pressing lawan secepat mungkin, teori total attack dan total defence mereka khas Rinus Michels yang pernah diturunkan pada muridnya, Johan Cruijjf. Total Football jelas mengandalkan passing passing cepat merapat yang diikuti pergerakan pemain dengan sangat cepat bertukar posisi (bahkan seorang Messi pun akan menjadi pemain pertama yang harus merebut bola jika lawan menguasai bola di daerah mereka sendiri, persis seperti yang dilakukan Van Basten dan Ruud Gullit di tim nasional Belanda)

Kalau di United, missing link yang sampai sekarang belum terjawab adalah seorang DM murni bertipe petarung sejati ala Uncle Keano. Kalau saja pemain itu ditemukan, kombinasinya dengan Clev/Scholes/Carrick adalah solusi terbaik. Dulu ada Hargreaves yang petarung di tengah, walau kadang nyeleneh nyempil di kanan, tapi Hargie punya keunggulan dalam hal defense yang bagus (DM murni terbaik Inggris IMO). Kombinasinya bersama Scholes musim 2007/2008 merupakan duet terbaik United di tengah, pasca Uncle Keano hengkang. Clev emang bagus dalam bertahan, interceptnya dipadu dengan kemampuannya membaca pergerakan lawan bisa dibilang istimewa, tapi dia tetap butuh duet yang mampu bertahan dengan baik meskipun kemampuan menyerangnya biasa saja, karena Clev memang bukan bertipe DM

[theater of dream]

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