Rooney is not a world class player yet...

[zudomiriku]

Manchester United Midfield Is Not the Place for Wayne Rooney to Play



It feels like we have been here before with Wayne Rooney.

We have seen the boy wonder return from international tournaments in the past dripping in disappointment and criticism.

But this time, Wayne is returning to a Manchester United with a new coach and a new plan.

Dave Kidd of the Mirror writes that Louis van Gaal will experiment with Rooney in a central-midfield role for United in the club's upcoming pre-season programme, which is due to begin next month.

Kidd says:

Louis van Gaal intends to employ Wayne Rooney in a deep-lying midfield role next season. The incoming Manchester United boss is desperate to accommodate Robin van Persie, Juan Mata and Rooney into his starting line-up.

And after consulting the Reds' staff on the issue, the Holland manager is ready to play striker Rooney in central midfield during the club’s *pre-season tour of the United States and into the Premier League season.

Kidd goes on to say that LvG is not keen on playing Rooney in the wide positions, such as the one he was deployed in during England's first World Cup match against Italy, and that Juan Mata is likely to get the nod to play in his favoured No. 10 role, with Robin van Persie as striker.

Rooney is the club's biggest earner, and Van Gaal will have to find a way to use him or risk losing him.

The question is not whether Wayne Rooney can play in midfield, but rather is it the best thing for Manchester United?

When Sir Alex Ferguson initially experimented with Rooney in a central-midfield role when RvP joined the club in 2012 the initial signs looked good.

The great manager was finding a way to put his stars together in a productive and economical manner.

And with Van Persie finding the net for fun, it seemed that Wazza's time to emulate Paul Scholes had arrived.

But Rooney soon seemed unhappy and disinterested.

The campaign ended with United crowned champions of England, but Wayne sat skulking on the trophy tour bus, playing with his phone in a mood as his team-mates celebrated the club's 20th title success.

The move from the forward line had put the player's nose so out of joint that he could neither find it in himself to be mentally ready for Sir Alex's final match at Old Trafford nor hide his discontent.

That episode was nearly the end of Rooney at United before David Moyes parachuted in and put the jigsaw of the player's ego back together with a rather nice contract and a hug.

Rooney can become a central midfielder, but it is unlikely that he will want to; history suggests such a move will all end in tears.

The notion that he will play any position for the team is mainly based on football bravado rather than hard facts. And Wayne knows that he is an exceptionally good striker―but, in the long term, might not be a very good midfielder.

Rooney is not Scholes or Roy Keane, and United need to find the right player to play the position.



When names such as Arturo Vidal and Paul Pogba are dreamt of by the Old Trafford faithful as the club's next midfield maestros, the thought of Rooney having to adapt his game as he closes in on 29 years old as the solution is a worrying one.

Rooney no longer has the mobility that he once possessed―a mobility that lends itself to being a top-class central midfielder.

Take this element out of the equation, add to it that Wayne's first touch is still as suspect as it ever was, and suddenly you are left with a broken talent. He will be miserable in his football skin and it will affect the team.

Wazza knows all of this, but it is hardly the sort of thing you crow about in public.

In the 4-3-3 that LvG will surely use, the central midfielder needs to be dynamic, technically blessed and have an engine that gets them from box-to-box with ease. This modus operandi not only discounts Rooney from the role but also Michael Carrick, who has spent his best years screening the back four and getting nose bleeds from venturing too far forward.

Van Gaal must recruit from outside of the club for this position, otherwise his time at United could be short-lived. Place Rooney in the midfield and watch United burn―the Dutch coach could be out of the door faster than Moyes.

It feels right that the new coach will play Mata off RvP at the beginning of his tenure at United, but such a move does leave Rooney's place in the team in doubt.

Wazza has the talent to force his way into Van Gaal's plans, but as it stands, he is both the second-best No. 9 and second-best No. 10 at the club.

Wayne Rooney is not used to being second best.

Not long ago, Rooney was the perfect footballer for Manchester United: young, powerful, a little bit crazy and full of vitality.

But that player no longer exists.

Some of those skills are still in the player's armoury today, but as a forward with 13 years of Premier League wear and tear on his body, his natural powers have started to decrease.

If Wayne is happy to play second fiddle in the centre of the park under a new regime then it will be interesting to observe how he takes to playing in midfield every week. But if this experiment turns out to be a huge failure, it is the Manchester United fans who will suffer the most.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2105643-manchester-united-midfield-is-not-the-place-for-wayne-rooney-to-play

[zudomiriku]

Why Van Gaal’s plan to hand Rooney a midfield role at Manchester United could backfire



Rumours are circulating that new Manchester United manager Louis van Gaal is set to hand Wayne Rooney a midfield role at the club next season as Dutchman Robin van Persie is set to star for the Mancunians once again.

Rooney was the standout player – statistically – for Man United last season, scoring 17 goals in the Premier League, assisting 10 and creating 56 chances – all more than anyone else at the club. However, he has often been the player made to move around and play out of position for better players at club level.

When Cristiano Ronaldo was in his pomp at Old Trafford, Sir Alex Ferguson played Rooney on the left-hand side. It worked well in the end as United won the league and Champions League double, but the Englishman still had to surrender his own game to benefit Ronaldo’s.

David Moyes, last season, made Rooney the focal point in attack, with everything moving through him. This prevented Robin van Persie from showing the devastating form he had the season previously as won the title almost single handedly. It is clearly where Moyes went wrong. Rooney is good, but Van Persie is better and when you alienate your best player to focus on someone not as talented – or important – the team will suffer.

Van Persie has shone under Van Gaal’s guidance for the national team, scoring 17 goals for the Netherlands since he was appointed head coach. The Man United forward has also become the Netherlands’ all-time leading scorer during Van Gaal’s tenure and the pair clearly work well together.

The Dutch have got off to a great start in the World Cup, winning both of their opening games to qualify for the knockout round. Van Persie has scored three goals and is joint-leader of the Golden Boot along with Karim Benzema, Thomas Muller and more.

Rooney, for so long, has underperformed for United and for England. He was tipped to leave Old Trafford last summer but Moyes kept him on and even handed him a contract making him the most well-paid player in the country, ahead of the likes of Yaya Toure, Sergio Aguero and Luis Suarez.

There is absolutely no doubt that Van Gaal will favour Van Persie over Rooney, so it is just a matter of where he sees the Englishman playing next season. With rumours tipping him to play in midfield, it wouldn’t be the first time the forward has dropped back into the centre of midfield for United. He did so under Sir Alex Ferguson but never really looked convincing.

Rooney isn’t the same bustling ball of energy he once was. You are unlikely to see him tracking back to the edge of his penalty area like he used to and his lung-bursting runs forward are rare, too. Many have pointed out in recent months that Rooney’s positioning is gradually reducing in quality. He often stands still, expecting the ball, and movement of the attack stutters due to that.

In games against Liverpool and Manchester City at Old Trafford last season, he did not pressure the central midfielders who were on the ball and were dominating the game, instead he stood by and watched from a distance.

Should Van Gaal try Rooney in midfield, it would be a big mistake. His passing range is excellent, in fairness, but the energy and work ethic that was a trademark of his game for so long just doesn’t look to be there anymore.

Van Gaal has done enough in the game throughout his career to be granted the benefit of the doubt on a decision, but should he try Rooney in central midfield, it would be at his own peril.

http://www.squawka.com/news/wayne-rooney-man-united-midfielder/128726

[troy andreas]

LvG: "I liked Rooney when I was the manager of his opponent. He is always working very hard, has a high level and can make goals."

Masih kurang jelas yang anti Rooney?

[fredrian.seven]

Ini masalah anti dan pro atau masalah world class sih? Rasanya 2 hal itu topik yang berbeda. Apakah Rooney masuk kriteria world class player? Klo menurutku sih blom. Tapi klo "worldwide reputation" sih iya. IMO...

[theater of dream]

Originally Posted by fredrian.seven

Ini masalah anti dan pro atau masalah world class sih? Rasanya 2 hal itu topik yang berbeda. Apakah Rooney masuk kriteria world class player? Klo menurutku sih blom. Tapi klo "worldwide reputation" sih iya. IMO...

Kebiasaan mendewakan pemain dan membenci pemain yang tidak disukai tanpa alasan yang logis maka timbulah mengelompokan anti si anu dan pro si anu..
Gw TS thread ini topik nya masih seputar world class ato tidak dan bukan soal anti ato pro !

[troy andreas]

Originally Posted by theater of dream

Kebiasaan mendewakan pemain dan membenci pemain yang tidak disukai tanpa alasan yang logis maka timbulah mengelompokan anti si anu dan pro si anu..
Gw TS thread ini topik nya masih seputar world class ato tidak dan bukan soal anti ato pro !

Gagal paham. Serius. Butuh penjelasan lebih.

[theater of dream]

Originally Posted by troy andreas

Gagal paham. Serius. Butuh penjelasan lebih.

Sebagian orang berpikir klo kita sering bela pemain tertentu kita bakal dicap lover pemain tsb begitu juga sebalik nya klo kita sering mengkritik ato lebih dominan tentang bahas off form nya pemain tsb kita bakal dapat cap hater..
Padahal disini saya mengajak kita lebih objective dgn skill nya di lapangan tanpa ada embel like or dislike gaya bermain nya.
Paham ?

[Gustiono]

wow thread ini masih juga ada..
World class player belum lah, spt posting ane di thread ini sebelum2nya...
Apalagi kalau parameternya Ronaldo atau Messi atau mungkin Striker yang lebih bertaji.
Simple case, lihat aja vs Southampton kemarin, dah bener2 bawa bola hanya ngadepin 2 lawan eh, malah dibalikin bolanya ke belakang, hehe
Kalau world class sih bakal dilewatin tuh pemain 2 lawan dan menambah skor mjd 1-3, hehe
LvG aja terang2 di media dah bilang klo Rooney tdk seprti yang diberita2kan media Inggris.
Ya wajar klo media Inggris lebay seperti itu, sapa lagi kalau bukan Rooney yang dijadikan karakter andalannya.

Terlepas dia membela MU dan tidak atau antara suka dan tidak,
Atapun record golnya sbagai top skorer MU dan di Inggris,
Rooney bukanlah pemain yang "bener2" bisa merubah suatu pertandingan.
1 lagi, gajinya kemahalan... hiks

[goodfron]

Sebelum mbahas Rooney sdh masuk kategori world class player ato belum... kira-kira United masuk salah satu dari 10 klub terbaik di dunia bukan?

Kalo' jawabannya iya... seharusnya Rooney sudah bisa dikategorikan masuk world class player. Kalo' belum termasuk... masa' mulai zamannya SAF - David Moyes sampai LVG selalu menjadikan pilihan utama mereka dalam rencana-rencana mereka, bahkan dijadikan salah satu icon club. Mereka bertiga menilai hal yang sama... Rooney salah satu kunci Manchester United. Kalo' kita ragu... berarti SAF - Moyes - LVG patut diragukan kapasitasnya.

World class player bukan hanya harus yg jago skill-nya... meliuk2 nglewatin 5 lawan, tendangan kenceng, jago heading, jago ini itu saja... ada aspek2 lain.
Kalo' jago dribling ama free kick terus bisa dibilang world class player... hhmmmm... keknya bisa jadi ada pemain yg lebih jago free kick dr Ronaldo saat ini, free kick-nya lebih berkelas meski dia bkn world class player.

Joe Cole kalo' secara skill ciamik... apakah dia berhasil jd world class player? ... ato pemain2 yg banyak disebut sbg the next ini, the next itu kalo' melihat dari sisi skill-nya... berapa orang yg akhirnya jd world class player?

kalo' ukuran world class player karena jago skill maen bolanya aja... free styler lebih jago

[theater of dream]

Originally Posted by goodfron

Sebelum mbahas Rooney sdh masuk kategori world class player ato belum... kira-kira United masuk salah satu dari 10 klub terbaik di dunia bukan?

Kalo' jawabannya iya... seharusnya Rooney sudah bisa dikategorikan masuk world class player. Kalo' belum termasuk... masa' mulai zamannya SAF - David Moyes sampai LVG selalu menjadikan pilihan utama mereka dalam rencana-rencana mereka, bahkan dijadikan salah satu icon club. Mereka bertiga menilai hal yang sama... Rooney salah satu kunci Manchester United. Kalo' kita ragu... berarti SAF - Moyes - LVG patut diragukan kapasitasnya.

Awal thread ini dibuat United lagi bagus dan termasuk 10 besar terbaik, nah soal Rooney belum masuk world class player waktu itu kan Fergie sendiri yang bilang, padahal 2009 Rooney lagi bagus2 nya dan seharus ini menjadi tantangan buat Rooney ke depan (seperti kata Fergie ), tapi fakta nya kemudian Rooney malah meredup di PD 2010 dan selanjut nya form nya naik turun dan klo menurut gw sebagus2 nya penampilan Rooney sekarang ato sejak 2010 tetap saja ngga sebagus ketika tahun2 sebelum 2009..

Originally Posted by goodfron

World class player bukan hanya harus yg jago skill-nya... meliuk2 nglewatin 5 lawan, tendangan kenceng, jago heading, jago ini itu saja... ada aspek2 lain.
Kalo' jago dribling ama free kick terus bisa dibilang world class player... hhmmmm... keknya bisa jadi ada pemain yg lebih jago free kick dr Ronaldo saat ini, free kick-nya lebih berkelas meski dia bkn world class player.

Joe Cole kalo' secara skill ciamik... apakah dia berhasil jd world class player? ... ato pemain2 yg banyak disebut sbg the next ini, the next itu kalo' melihat dari sisi skill-nya... berapa orang yg akhirnya jd world class player?

kalo' ukuran world class player karena jago skill maen bolanya aja... free styler lebih jago

'World class player' di thread ini memang intinya skill di lapangan om, tapi klo ditambah ama popularitas dan ketenaran, tanpa ragu Rooney termasuk salah satu nya

Joe Cole skill nya ciamik ???
Paramater nya om ? Klo diadu dengan Young, Vale, bisa aja dibilang cole lebih skillful tapi klo diadu ama Messi, CR ato Hazard sekarang apa pantas skill nya disejajarakan ?
bukan merendahkan Cole tapi gw rasa Cole punya skill yang mumpuni dan bisa yg terbaik di katagori mediocor..
hmmm free styler mengutamakan style ketimbang efektifitas jadi, rata2 free styler tidak bisa main bola seunguhan secara teknik mereka melewati pemain tidak berlaku kalo yang dilewati pemain2 pro..